Until the rule is removed, any new posts about US politics will be removed.
Thanks, other communities like [email protected] don’t have such rules, the community is overriden with questions about US politics
Sure, but… is “too much discussion” really a problem that Lemmy has? This is kind of a threatening time for some of us, especially if we don’t have a lot of friends irl.
“Too much off topic discussion or discussion in one topic that stifles other conversations”
Better?
What conversations, specifically, are being stifled or overlooked due to US politics? The comm isn’t very active.
Any meme community. Easy example. Are you even trying?
What conversations, specifically
Lol, okay, very specific. I’m also talking about this community, where this rule was made despite there being basically 1 post per hour.
Name a single election topic you know about that’s not US. I’ll wait.
Why? I’m Canadian, so I guess the NATO requirement that we increase military spending to 4% of our GDP ($41 billion dollars). It’s pretty contentious and fucked up. It’s not like I’m an American single-issue voter, sorry to burst your bubble.
I get that it’s annoying, but we’re sad, and angry, and scared, and we don’t know where to go. Maybe someone will make us a community called “Now what?” where we can cry, shout, wallow a bit, and then make a plan for survival.
Two posts for you
Be the change you want to see then. You can make that community. I mean this in a supportive way. Go for it!
[email protected] seems good as it allows self-posts
[email protected] for news
I appreciate the confidence and encouragement, but I’m completely unqualified. I’m likely the least techie lemmy user. If there were tech levels, I would in the ‘I can set up a printer about 60% of the time’ category.
If you remind me later - I have to get ready for work soon - I’ll help you if you want. Its fairly easy. Easier than a printer, so you’re already qualified lol
Yeah I think both are valid tbh. I get that a lot of people don’t want to hear and and I get that a lot of people are upset. How do you compromise and help with both?
Easy, don’t make rules banning the subjects people want to talk about. Are we so concerned about people’s thumbs we can ask them to just scroll past content that doesn’t interest them but suits the theme of the community?
[email protected] seems good as it allows self-posts
[email protected] for news
It’s honestly tiring to see the 20th post on the same topic from a country you don’t live in
Maybe yall non-us-residents should create some content then eh?
Community for political discussion: [email protected] , mods please feel free to post this anywhere if you’d like to avoid the political posts/questions :)
This rule applies only to the AskLemmy community. A ban on US politics posts in AskLemmy makes sense for several reasons:
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US politics tends to dominate many online spaces already, drowning out other valuable discussions.
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Political discussions, especially about US politics, often become heated and polarized quickly, which can detract from the thoughtful, contemplative atmosphere that open-ended questions are meant to foster. When people discuss US politics, they tend to take hardened positions rather than engaging in genuine exploration of ideas.
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US political discussions often fall into predictable patterns and talking points, which goes against the spirit of having thought-provoking questions. The same debates tend to play out repeatedly, offering little new insight or opportunity for meaningful reflection.
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A community focused on open-ended questions should ideally have a global perspective. US political discussions can make the space feel less welcoming to non-US users who might have fascinating questions and perspectives to share about their own cultures, philosophies, and experiences.
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There are other communities whose purpose better aligns with discussions about US politics.
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People need some communities where they can engage with others and NOT have to see or think about the recent election.
Nobody wants every community to be a free-for-all about every topic. Please feel free to discuss US politics in a relevant community about the US, about politics, or about world news.
Thank you so much !
[email protected] seems like a good place to redirect those conversations, maybe you could consider adding it to the sidebar, should the rule become permanent?
Thanks so so so much. Will take note.
Commenting again to repeat that I think it’s awesome that you’re going with a redirect rather than the ban hammer approach.
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This makes me more likely to actually visit here. I’m sick of reading propaganda and people spouting propaganda from all sides, and I come to spaces like this for funnies, interesting topics, and so on. My political interests go elsewhere. I appreciate not having to wade through them here.
How the fuck is Lemmy supposed to serve as an open alternative to corporate controlled social media when the mods ban discussing one of the most impactful events of the day? You should be begging people to talk about politics here. Unsubbed. EDIT: AND BLOCKED. If I wanted to hang out in a fascist community I’d join twitter.
100% agree.
The moderation is completely out of hand. Instead of being happy we have a platform where we can discuss things outside of big tech platforms, we have people who think moderation is more important than letting people express what is on their mind, specially on this day.
Wish I could make the mods be a bit mature here, but probably not.
Whats next, banning people for discussing moderation? I would not be surprised at this point.
I’ve been here from the start so I’m just angry to see this kind of thing here. Whoever mod who did this should look in the mirror and think “is my behavior a plus or a minus for the platform”.
Feel free to express what’s on your mind in any of the US politics communities on Lemmy.
Hold on, do you think this is a ban across all of Lemmy?
By giving people the opportunity to host their own instances and create their own communities with rules they like. This however does not mean that everything should be allowed everywhere. Actually this means that everywhere you go people make their own rules and if you dont like them, go somewhere else or create your own community.
Ridiculous copy/paste reply. You’re not making a good case for people leaving corporate media for Lemmy. You’re encouraging them to stay where they are.
Many Reddit subreddits also don’t allow politics.
What’s wrong about it though? The freedom lies in the ability to create your own community that is not regulated by one company/organisation owning the platform. You can go to the place where you agree with the rules and you don’t have to live under the rules of someone you don’t like.
They’re just butthurt that they’re not being allowed to spew their hot takes all over this community as a captive audience that isn’t interested.
Nobody was doing that here, though. Have you even seen this community? It’s super inactive to begin with.
What’s wrong is fracturing. Lemmy is not so massive that it can sustain niche communities for every little topic.
I wouldn’t consider US politics a small topic, especially on Lemmy
It’s not a small topic, it’s a small community to set up all these tiny communities.
Community is what we called subs on the other site.
How are political communities tiny when they are 2 of the 6 most active communities on Lemmy?
To be honest, the issue is mostly about [email protected] banning self posts (and thus people having to find alternatives such as [email protected] ) rather than the mods of [email protected]
Not every sub has to revolve around US elections all day/weeks/months long. That has nothing to do with corporate media.
If some other country had a historic election, I would HOPE to see open dialog spread in places like this for people to express themselves. Why ban an internationally relevant discussion when people have the choice to be members of the community. How about - if you don’t like it, you can leave.
How about - if you don’t like it, you can leave.
The irony in this sentence…
But there are places for the discussion to be made. Lemmy as a whole did not ban the elections discussion, just this one specific sub. In fact, you’ll see basically every single sub of Lemmy discussing it.
This is a temporary rule for 1 single community.
This however is the main problem of social media in general. It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning. This is less a problem for people who are trained in critical thinking, but might be dangerous for more unstable people.
I’m just saying that a mix of different views is always good to some degree. Whether/how this should be done on Lemmy is a different thing.
It creates circles of like-minded people where it is really easy to reject “other” thoughts and accept “our” ideas without much questioning.
I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but there is an argument to be made that we should actually go back to smaller, more secluded forums on the internet that are less connected with outside views.
Interesting, thanks
Very interesting, haven’t seen that Kurzgesagt yet, thanks for sharing 🤘🏻
Absolutely. If this rule was a permanent rule I don’t think so many people would defend it. However from experience (reddit for example) I think many people know that US politics has the ability to claim and overrun just about every space on the “western” internet. This is not something that really creates value for many people especially those that don’t live in the US and I think this ruling is trying to prevent that.
I generally agree with your points on not wanting to create echo chambers; however, another reason for temporarily banning the topic imo is not just to block people talking about it but also to protect people who are already hurting, grieving, and generally just trying to find some sort of escape at the moment. Creating a space that will guarantee a temporary escape is nice, I think.
Mods are people of the community too. If you don’t like them, you can make your own community.
That’s a bad take. The mods made the choice to moderate a general-purpose community in the first place. If they want a more narrowly-focused community, they should make one.
No kidding.
Because we’re glad it is finally over after having deal with your election bullshit for the last half year? We made contingency plans for a trump win, so we acknowledged his win this morning, hope the planning is sufficient, and finally move on to something else.
I’m for making a megathread for people who really want to talk about it here but I genuinely don’t understand why you’re upset you can’t talk about US politics everywhere in the platform. There are tons of communities for that. AskLemmy is for
open-ended, thought provoking questions
Instead, most US related posts are for venting and complaining. See these communities instead:
And dozens of similar communities on other instances. It’s not censorship to ask you to go to use the proper channels, not everyone here wants to see US news everywhere.
upset you can’t talk about US politics everywhere in the platform
I’m upset that a moderator believes that banning the discussion of a major national / international event is healthy for the community. I could understand that for a niche community like Music but not one of the most popular general purpose ones. There’s no reason this should be banned other than a personal preference. This informs me that the moderators of this community are not interested in an open platform for genuine discussion.
I’m not from the US and my Lemmy feed has been absolutely FLOODED with US political news for MONTHS. Yesterday’s vote was the bushel that broke the camel’s back, and I definitely understand non-political communities not wanting to be even more flooded with US politics than they already are.
Go complain about your broken country in politics-oriented communities, please, and let us talk about other, less despair-inducing subjects.
Remember your words when Netanyahu bombs Gaza and people want to ask the community about it.
Just because YOU don’t want to hear about something doesn’t mean en entire community should BAN discussion of it. It’s absolutely bonkers that anyone can rationalize this position.
That’s not US politics. And the rule is temporary; the goal is just to get a breather after a months-long marathon of hearing about nothing else on Lemmy.
my Lemmy feed has been absolutely FLOODED with US political news for MONTHS
Damn I’m so glad that propaganda flow that for some reason was even allowed in most of Lemmy will stop now.
Thank you for responding with a redirect instead of a shut-down.
How is the American presidential choice of picking 80 year old sociopath Donald Trump not a thought provoking issue?
But sure. Let’s focus on why Bananas are yellow.
I just created two posts over there, one over the likelihood of project 2025 to happen, and the other one about people actually considering leaving the USA. Feel free to join the discussion
It’d be different if the instance was actually crowded and overrun, but it isn’t. The instance gets like 20 posts on a good day.
… You know you can just create a community and post stuff there, right?
Because you can go to literally any instance and create a community just for political drivel or even just go to the hundreds of other communities already dedicated to exactly that.
Bye, no one misses you. You won’t be much valuable for this community anyways so it’s better if you aren’t here
Byeeee!!! 👋👋
You can literally go anywhere to see your dumbass yank circus. Leave me alone.
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Boohoo I’ll believe that when it happens. In the meanwhile there’s literally nothing I can do about it. Instead of cry and doompost on the internet I’d rather focus on things that matter and keep a positive outlook.
Go away.
Most impactful event of the decade. This reaches far beyond the US.
Feel free to discuss it on [email protected] https://lemmy.world/c/politicaldiscussion
Too democratic party centered. There is even a sticky up on the dnc conference
Good riddance man, Sheesh. Why are you so upset?
Hey I don’t mean to get political but I got a real quick question here. What the heck is an America?
I just made a post (my first actually) about this today. I think it’s better for the user to decide what they want to see and use filters rather than block posts entirely.
This should have been in effect for MONTHS leading up to their annoying elections.
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We’re not all bad.
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More that 70 million of you a solid majority of the popular vote, just elected a useful idiot fascist dictator wannabe laying the groundwork for a christofascist dictatorship.
I’m very much a democrat and very much voted for Harris, so I don’t know what you’re on about.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a62828684/donald-trump-elected-2024/
“Donald J. Trump is the chosen president-elect of the United States in every possible way you can be, a winner in the popular vote and a winner in that marble mausoleum called the Electoral College. The asterisk is not coming back, because this time I am absolutely sure that a majority of my fellow citizens will get exactly what they want. They will get pardons for the January 6 insurrectionists and an end to any federal prosecution of the incoming president, now and forever. They will get attacks on the free press and on political dissent that they have been slavering for. They will get validation for their rage, and an outlet for their promised vengeance, beyond their wildest fantasies. They will get the chaos for which they voted, and which they apparently fervently desire. And there is absolutely nothing that God, man, or the Constitution can do about it, because we did it to ourselves.”
This is, wow. Just. Wow.
I get it, but realistically there’s only like 20 posts a day left in here. Nothing is really getting overrun.
10 yesterday. We are too small for temp rules.
But would those 10 people make other 10 posts when they are overrun by posts unrelated to this community by people who don’t want discussion and just want to vent their anger?
Very good point
Honestly I don’t get the hype about the US presidency, like sure, it was kinda shocking at first how Trump won, but after that I accepted it. I’d rather listen to other issues than the same thing over and over again.
I also find it wierd that many of the fellow Australians around me know more about American politics than Australian politics, likely just because our media covers it to no effing end, sure, do one news story, but not a fucken bajillion.
pointless. the entire lemmy will be on fire for a month or so.
I’ve blocked all US political communities. I’ve blocked 20+ users who posted US political content in other communities. When I now filter by most popular in the last 24h, it’s only US election outcome content.
Seems like a good reason to have this kind of rules
Also I posted in [email protected] a thread for non political communities
