• @CasualPenguin@reddthat.com
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      09 months ago

      Ah yes, a perfect example of what OP was talking about. Good work finding it so we can point and laugh at the people that keep looking for someone to blame for their own choices.

      • @pjwestin@lemmy.world
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        Yeah, and your comment is a great example of the Democrats 2024 outreach strategy: a smug, self-righteous attitude that failed to get you any votes.

        • @CasualPenguin@reddthat.com
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          This is voting for your own best interests as a part of a country.

          What kind of fool believes that is supposed to require outreach? Would you rather visit an inept doctor because they make you feel more like a big boy by courting your feelings?

          If voters must have outreach to not show up, that means they see no difference in their own life between the candidates.

          • @pjwestin@lemmy.world
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            I don’t know what to tell you man, you need to get people excited to go vote for you, otherwise they don’t show up. It’s election 101. Harris didn’t do that for her base, so she fucking lost. You can bitch about voters all you want, but it’s not gonna change reality, so maybe that time would be better spent figuring out why they didn’t show up. Again, I’d start with the fact that she ignored her base for the fucking Cheneys.

    • Lightor
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      09 months ago

      This, this was the real problem. Something like 5% of registered Republicans voted for her. Dems usually win the popular vote. There are enough of them to win this, but they choose to alienate them.

    • unalivejoy
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      19 months ago

      Honestly, if they do the same things next cycle, I’ll be more inclined to vote green.

      • @RangerJosie@lemmy.world
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        09 months ago

        I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don’t want to fight.

        What matters is policy. Real hard on the ground policy that real normal people can feel and see where they live.

        When some wonk gets on MSNBC with a spreadsheet hooting about how much better things are with grocery prices or housing costs, that doesn’t mean anything to someone who’s begging for extra shifts at work so they can make rent. Those are aggregates and averages. If the 200k-500k bracket is doing better while the 13k-45k bracket isnt, the numbers still went up. That looks better in the data. But the people at the bottom are still suffering just as much as ever. They don’t feel or see any improvement because there wasn’t any. Not for them.

        The health and performance of the stock market only matters to those on the bottom when it crashes and suddenly they’re paying more for everything. At no other point does it impact them in the slightest. Those record profits aren’t reinvested, they’re not used to reduce the strain on consumers. Its gobbled up by a few dozen shareholders. It benefits nobody else. And if an executive or CEO has the slightest semblance of a soul and wants to help consumers they’re voted out because the only responsibility is to those few dozen shareholders.

        Healthcare. The ACA was a grand achievement. They took Romneycare national. Round of applause for all involved. But its still cheaper to do some form of Universal Healthcare. That would be the easiest win in history. And everyone would feel it immediately. It would help 100,000,000 people immediately. People who have been putting off medical treatment for half their lives because of the extortionist expense would immediately seek treatment. They would seek preventative treatment and raise the overall health across the country. Obesity rates drop, drug use plummets, etc.

        Marijuana. Literally every person I know and interact with in my daily life uses it. Do you know the number one reason I’ve heard from all of them? Pain management. Again, another easy win that is supported by everyone except the ghouls who were alive when it was called “The Devil’s Lettuce” and propagandized into believing its this terrible thing.

        Hard Policy that people can feel and see in their daily lives. You can still court the comfortable liberals who care about the stock market and all that. They’ll be fine no matter who is in office. If they need an abortion it’s a weekend vacay to Zurich or somewhere. But you’re never going to hold any meaningful power again without hard policy. Because for decades now the republicans have cornered the market on grievance politics and reaction. To break through that you need something real. No more vibes based nonsense. It will not work.

  • @Davin@lemmy.world
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    I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to “progressives”, I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.

    So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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        The lesser evil is literally the better candidate.

        The trump voters and the people who sat out the vote have that on their consciences.

        • @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          They are still evil though, why it always a choice of “evil vs evil”? We don’t have to have this electoral system, we don’t have to have these candidates, humanity can do so much better. The only way anyone against genocide or the corporatist status quo could show disagreement is by not voting. If democrats always have the lefts vote no matter what, then they wouldn’t even have to be lesser evil.

          • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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            19 months ago

            Not voting does nothing. Now you have trump. And who ever else is next. If the left don’t vote nobody well care about them and they can sit in their house winning about nobody represents me.

  • @blazera@lemmy.world
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    09 months ago

    If your candidate loses, its the voters fault. If my candidate loses, its the candidates fault.

  • @Sanctus@lemmy.world
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    09 months ago

    Give and Take. It doesn’t matter. You aren’t selling shit if you aren’t offering what the people want. They wanted a rock to throw in a glass house and Trump promised to be that rock, not the Democrats. Yet, they will never learn this lesson.

      • @Aabbcc@lemm.ee
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        You’ll jump through any hoop to say the voters should have drank more piss instead of saying the piss should have cleaned itself up

        I don’t just mean Gaza, I mean democratic candidates need to find a way to excite rural voters by giving them an actual path to financial stability

        Your parable doesn’t even make sense, the election wasn’t lost by educated people refusing to drink piss, it was won by republicans by getting uneducated voters to happily eat shit thinking it’ll give them super powers. (I mean educated on the issues like “what is a tarrif”)

  • @rockSlayer@lemmy.world
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    Harris ran a perfect campaign. If she was running as a (pre-Trump) republican. However, we know that:

    1. She isn’t a Republican
    2. She banked on pulling in republican voters, instead of rallying her base
    3. Republicans will almost always vote for the R instead of policy
    4. She backed off of every single progressive idea she started with
    5. She trotted out establishment Democrats to lecture the electorate instead of inspire them
    6. Tlaib pulled twice the numbers as Harris as the only anti-genocide Palestinian in Congress

    It’s Harris and the Democrats. Should people have voted? Yes. Is it understandable why people didn’t want to vote for the person telling them that she’ll be a good republican and support a genocide? Also yes.

  • @qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website
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    Way more than two options here.

    I voted for Harris, and I encouraged others to as well. And I think the Democratic leadership royally fucked up here.

    The polls kinda sucked in the end, and I think one reason is that folks were embarrassed to admit they were voting for Trump. That to me says that they voted for him not because he’s a racist sexist pig, but in spite of this.

    But the polls did afaik get that the economy was hugely important. And the Democrats failed here both in current policy (groceries got more expensive over the course of Biden’s term), and in proposed policy messaging. No one cares about home buyer credits if you can’t afford groceries. (And no, I don’t think Trump has a plan to lower prices aside from shady back room deals that will ultimately cost us big — but voters want something new…)

    To be clear, I voted for Biden, I voted for Harris, and I’m pretty scared about the future. But the Democrats need to learn something from this or it’s same story in four years. Maybe the lesson is “we can’t count on the left in this country to vote for us by default,” and maybe the lesson is, “for the love of God raise hell if the cost of living goes up, and do it in a way that appeals to the lowest common denominator.”

  • IMO some of that blame game is more right wing trolling to further undermine the Democratic Party.

    Don’t stop kicking them when they’re down. Keep kicking.

  • @SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
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    It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.

    • @DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world
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      Yup. They fucked us royally and I’m sort of waiting to see if people organize around this. The DNC needs to go. They’ve known about Trump since 16 and this is the campaign they run? They’re trying to elect him at this point, I don’t know what else to think.

      Democrats: here’s a rock and two nickels

      Republicans: here’s everything you’ve ever wanted and all the libertarian shit you used to jerk off to.

      Liberals after the election: how did we lose??

      • @starman2112@sh.itjust.works
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        Republicans: here’s everything you’ve ever wanted and all the libertarian shit you used to jerk off to.

        “But I know that he won’t really give them that, and if they’re stupid enough to believe that, we don’t need their votes anyway”

        ~Every Democrat I’ve argued with since Tuesday

  • @wpb@lemmy.world
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    I’m actually getting a bit upset at these idealists. They have this childish notion that democracy works in this tit for tat way where politicians “earn” your vote by instating policies that benefit you and that you believe in. Like grow the fuck up already.

    • @BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
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      Trump talking at “The Believers’ Summit” on July 26 2024, in West Palm Beach, Florida:

      I don’t care how, but you have to get out and vote. And again, Christians, get out and vote just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians.