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Stein pulling out wouldn’t result in more votes for Harris. It would just make more people stay home. I think they’re more worried about greens hitting the 5% national threshold.
Stop assuming these votes are stolen from Harris. She hasn’t earned them.
Say you need a life saving operation. Your choices are: a skilled surgeon who is suspected to have cheated on their spouse, George Clooney from the hit TV show ER, or a mediocre at best veterinarian. This is essentially the state of things. A qualified person, a fictional character, and a person who is tangentially qualified at best.
The country needs a life saving operation. Harris is extremely qualified candidate who at worst carries some of the murky ethical baggage of any career politician. Trump is not only unqualified, but uniquely contraindicated (vindictive, foreign debts, exceedingly old, litany of bonafide legal issues, unrepentant rapist). And Stein is at best a politician shaped object, who is perhaps qualified enough to be a pundit or a podcast host.
For the safety of people of color, for women, for the environment, for the rule of law, for diplomacy, for the economy, there is only one pragmatic choice, and that choice is Harris.
Nothing in Harris’ record shows she’s qualified. She’s done a measurably shit job in every position she’s been in.
Really, nothing at all qualifies her? Not her 6 years as an attorney general? Or her 4 years as a senator? Her 3 years as vice president? She’s better educated, has a better resume, doesn’t have 30 something felonies, and isn’t 78 years old. We already tried Trump as president once and America survived by the skin of our teeth. And he has not improved as a candidate in any way in the intervening 4 years.
The horrible shit she did while working those positions hurts her more than it helps. Trump’s problems don’t erase that.
She’s also openly declaring her intent to commit a felony when in office, by arming a genocide, which is one of the worst crimes a human being can possibly commit.
You’re using some pretty high flying rhetoric for someone who isn’t citing any specifics. Which “horrible shit” are you most concerned with? The 20 billion dollar settlement she won for people with foreclosed homes? The 1.1 billion dollar settlement she won for defrauded students and veterans? The tie breaking votes she cast in the Senate, more than anyone in history, that helped pass among other things the 1.9 trillion dollar covid 19 stimulus, and the inflation reduction act, which generated 115 billion in tech investments and generated an estimated 95 thousand new jobs? Her explicit opposition to the death penalty? Her work against hate crimes? Her defense of the LGBTQ community? She is capable, intelligent, and proven.
Between her fighting to keep arming a genocide, fighting to withhold evidence that would’ve cleared defendants, and other crimes she’s committed in office, I think it’s clear that either way this goes we’re getting a president who does not believe they have to obey the law.
You’re right. If they weren’t going to vote for Harris, to me it sounds like they’re perfectly fine with another Trump presidency and the decades of consequences that would follow.
She hasn’t earned them.
The binary choice and the risks of failure have been mentioned so many times, that I worry for people who don’t get it.
“But I’ve finally gotten David Duke on board!”
You mean Russian Asset Jill Stein?
I see these comments a lot and I’d like to learn more. Do you have any articles on this?
Well, start here at a dinner she attended in Moscow in late 2015:
Years later, after Trump was elected, she claimed it was just perfunctory, with no real interaction with Putin. She also claims she received no payment for being there, although we know Flynn received 45k from Putin for his attendance.
Then there is this from 2016 about Russian efforts to divert Clinton voters to stein. She also received intense press coverage by RT, Russians propaganda TV station, that was not banned in the US at the time.
Here she is refusing to call Putin a war criminal, a stance she suddenly recanted days later.
Here is evidence she is currently working with the GOP.
According to the lesser evil logic receiving money from putin is still less evil than being a fascist or being supporting a genocide.
Coordinating directly with Putin, the oligarch dictator of Russia, who is currently engaged in a genocide in Ukraine, to elect Trump, a US presidential candidate that has told Israel it “needs to finish the job,” a person whose son in law has said gaza is “excellent beach front property,” and who hid the number of drone strikes and their casualties caused during his admin, is the lesser evil?
I’d call the above stupid, not its far to disingenuous to be an actual real perspective.
Like it or not that still lesser evil than being a fascist who said israel “needs to finish the job” or being actively fueling a genocide by sending israel fascist government “whatever it needs”.
Lesser evil logic, you vote for the lesser evil.
This is nonsense.
FPTP voting means there are 2 viable options only. If you don’t vote for the “lesser evil,” you are voting for the “greater evil.”
Choosing to not make a choice is still a choice. Voting for “not Harris” is the exact same thing as voting for “yes Trump” in our system.
You’re voting for the greater evil by voting for Jill Stein, which is exactly what her and her partners Putin and Trump want.
Yes the lesser evil logic is non sense.
I was talking about intentional spoiler candidate for Trump whom Republicans are scrambling to get on as many ballots as possible Jill Stein, but maybe we’re talking about the same person here.
Po-traitor, Po-traito
I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 because I assumed Hillary was going to win anyway, and I was in a solidly red state so fuck it, might as well vote 3rd party.
Then Trump won.
Then I learned about Stein’s backwards views on nuclear energy, GMOs and vaccines.
Then she turned out to be a Russian asset.
Then she decided to run again and again, knowing that she’s only acting as a spoiler for the Dems.Boy did I make a mistake in 2016. I wish there was a perfect candidate for everyone to vote for, but unfortunately keeping Trump out of the white house is the best we can do. Harris isn’t my first choice, but I voted for her on behalf of all of the people who will suffer under another Trump presidency.
What the fuck do I care what europoors think? I don’t like Jill Stein but they should mind their own business! In America we understand that a country’s domestic politics are only the citizens’ business, that’s why we don’t involve ourselves in any foreign country’s domestic matters
Jfc…
- It’s their, not there.
- Climate change does not care about your borders. So of course actual proper Green parties care about green foreign politics.
- You’re literally in everyone’s face when it comes to other countries.
That last line tips into “has to be sarcasm” territory. I don’t think anyone believes America doesn’t meddle.
Oh shit, I think you’re right.
It is sarcasm lmao
