Is it speed? Features? Ease of development? Just curious why lemmy is seeing more activity as opposed to other networks.
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It still is as far as I’m aware.
Yep.
I got an invite and setup an account and then just kind of felt like… What now?
Then I came here and haven’t really opened Tildes again since.
I had the same experience. There’s basically like 4 active communities there (including the general talk one) and if you aren’t interested there’s really no content. I think the guy who made it just wanted his own little personal fiefdom that he could tightly control. Which is fine but I ended up coming here and have enjoyed it far more
For me it’d be word of mouth and a more memorable name. It was people making posts about Lemmy over on the sinking ship that caught my attention first and kbin second. Call it lizard brain or whatever but “Lemmy” is close to “Lemmings” which is a game I loved as a child while “kbin” makes the mistake of not being a single, simple word. One sounds personalable and a finished product, the other sounds like the backend of bigger software.
Lack of awareness of Kbin I think. Also the monthly average users are the same, but lots of communities were created on lemmy instances.
Lemmy is older and I think when people thought a million people had signed up they thought that was the place to be. But it was all bits and the two are similar in terms of users, although most Kbin users are on Kbin.social at the moment.
I’ve tried both and I prefer Kbin. I like the interface, I like the mobile PWA app, it just feels more modern and polished compared to lemmy. But it’s just a preference thing they’re largely the same.
For me I heard more about lemmy on Reddit and Apollo was in its final days. So I gave it a try
Same. The fact that Lemmy has several iOS apps also sealed the deal, as I do almost all my browsing on mobile. I made an account on KBin at the same time, and an eagerly watching both to see how they develop, but Lemmy just has more to offer right now.
Yep, same here. A couple of subs I followed mentioned Lemmy explicitly so I gave it a look. Lemmy.world seemed the most active at the time so I joined here.
I went to lemmy first, noticed federation wasnt working, then went to kbin, and federation still isnt working. So far I havent seen any entrance to the fediverse that can actually see the fediverse.
I am on kbin and a significant amount of posts I see are from lemmy instances.
yeah, you can see some amount of posts from other instances on the fediverse. But not all of them, especially not smaller communities that really need the visibility.
And yet I’m reading and replying to your message.
kbin federation works just fine
Well, user experience is going to depend. Kbin.social recently cut federation temporarily with some instances as a way to work through our backlog. I kind of thought that was up and running again, especially since lemmy.world was listed and I can definitely see that, but I question if this is why beehaw refuses to load and I haven’t seen anything from them in a week.
Sh.itjust.works is also listed there, but I have this hunch that they may also fall prey to the same bug in lemmy’s default reference nginx config that initially stopped kbin users from accessing the android community when they moved. This and Sopuli.xyz (not listed) are both inaccessible, and it’s upsetting watching it wear on because I’m interested in communities in both that either won’t federate anything I do or that I can’t even find in order to sub. This bug is what bothers me the most, that it’s in lemmy’s default settings is unacceptable, and it makes kbin appear to have much larger issues with federation than it actually does.
Lemmy.ml apparently removed the block only to put it back, which I was not aware of, increasing the likelihood of bullshittery to 90%. I have to actively filter which communities I can actually participate in instead of only appearing to, and they can just defederate out loud if they’re that bothered. It’s not like they haven’t taken criticism before, I’m sure they’ll live.
Really? I’m on kbin right now reading this post from Lemmy.world
sure, you can see all the most popular posts and communities. But say you wanted to check out a smaller community, say, the splatoon one here on lemmy.world. You wont see all of the posts there from kbin. How about animemes from lemmy.ml? The latest post you can see from kbin is a week old, yet it’s getting posts everyday. Personally I wanna see some posts from rule34 on lemmynsfw, but again no.
And this is a problem not unique to kbin, I have not found any entrance to the fediverse that doesnt have this problem.
For me, it was the top google result for “Reddit Alternative”. There was a github post explaining the basics of Lemmy and essentially said if I wasn’t sure where to sign up, just head over to lemmy.world.
Now that I’m here I can safely say the interface feels like an improved old.reddit.com and am quite pleased.
The fact it was recommended more, and doesn’t require an invite like Tildes. I only heard of any of these because of the migration, and only heard of Kbin here on Lemmy.
I wanted to try Tildes after seeing the page, but I have no friends there to invite me to try it.
Yeah, on deeper reflection, Tildes is a wall garden, which in itself could be an isolating experience. A tight control on its users runs the risk of making it an echo chamber just like majority of what reddit used to be.
I’m reading this from Kbin.social. I subscribe to Kbin magazines and Lemmy communities, so I don’t really see a difference between the two.
I’m also on Tildes and really enjoy it for longer, nuanced, contemplative posts and comments. And I’m on Squabbles when I feel like memes and quips.
Un short, I think ex Redditors are trying out more than one platform. We’re sampling all over the place.
kbin’s doing pretty well isn’t it? I thought it was sort of comparable to lemmy in active users. I don’t know anything about tildes though.
I know for my part, I probably contributed to overloading kbin.social by opening an account there. I guess I read that it’s best in lemmy to choose something other than the really big instances to spread the load a bit and did so, but somehow in my mind I thought kbin = kbin.social?
Just FYI, only recently did Lemmy pass Kbin on active users: https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
Being federated helps both platforms to grow together, as the content is the same for both of them. So just choose the interface you prefer!
Only great advantage of Lemmy for now, is the API that helps with having apps…
And yet most times that I check Kbin, the first several pages are entirely Lemmy content
Do we know if Kbin counts active users the same way that Lemmy does? Lemmy only counts users have made comments or posts recently as being active, people who only vote are ignored.
Yeah, same way. Must have commented or posted in the last 24 hours, like Lemmy
The largest difference is in “local” posts, Kbin has less thriving local communities than Lemmy. I guess Lemmy has more lurkers?
That math just doesn’t work out. Lemmy.world has ~25% of its total user base commenting and posting, which is really high compared to established social media platforms. Kbin has 62,195 total users and 61,632 active users. There’s just no way that kbin has 99% of its user base commenting and posting.
You have a point.
Maybe then it is over 72 hours or maybe last month?
Also I’ve seen Kbin decrease in total user count a few times, maybe something funky on that number as well?
Tildes felt like an unpolished pre-alpha to me.
Probably luck, really.
A bunch of subs moved to Lemmy, first and foremost, which spread its popularity more than other apps, as more subs went and joined up with Lemmy.
Alternatives like Kbin followed behind, but since Lemmy had already taken first spot, that was more or less that.
You also had a few that were also closed, that hampered their growth, for better and worse.
Kbin is written in php and lemmy is written in rust which may scale better in long run.
I’m not a techie but is there inherent pros to being written in rust rather than php? Big forums were powered by php back then (phpBB, XenForo, to name).
In terms of raw performance, compiled languages like C, C++, and Rust are much faster than interpreted languages like PHP, Python, and Ruby.
The difference between compilation and interpretation is the difference between you reading the translation of a foreign book versus an interpreter reading each line in the original book and telling you its meaning in your language every time you want to read the book.
Java, Kotlin and Scala are somewhat in between in terms of speed. Code that gets called a lot gets compiled just in time.
The other poster failed to mention the biggest advantage of Rust - it’s inherently a lot more secure and a lot less vulnerable to bugs compared to other languages. For starters, Rust is designed to eliminate common programming errors like null pointer dereferencing, buffer overflows, and data races, which can lead to serious security vulnerabilities.
Also, variables in Rust are immutable by default, which means they cannot be changed once they’re set. It’s also strongly typed, which is strictly enforced and there are no implicit conversions. PHP, however, is loosely typed and does perform implicit type conversion, which can lead to unexpected results and potential security vulnerabilities.
I could go on, but then we’d be getting a bit too technical for this space.
Thank you for explaining. I grew up on php-based forums and websites. So Rust is pretty new to me. TBH, I haven’t heard of it until Lemmy. :)
It got mentioned a lot on /r/RedditAlternatiives and since its API is already up and running, there are a whole bunch of apps for it. With mobile apps being the thing that started the whole Reddit disaster, it makes sense that Lemmy would grow quicker than kbin which doesn’t have mobile apps yet.
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