Because you now did it to yourself.

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    He’s already dehumanising foreigners (claiming they’re all criminals and eating peoples pets) and trying to claim LGBTI are criminals

    So, it’s not actually a joke. He has already started following the Nazi playbook

  • Fontasia
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    So, place your bets! What’s going to be that one announcement that suddenly makes your neighbours go all quiet?

    • Repeal of the 19th amendment
    • Mandatory military service
    • Military sent to Ukraine
    • Military sent to Gaza
    • Additional protections to police
    • The pardon of all January 6th rioters
    • The relaxation of maximum presidential terms
    • Repeal of Affordable Care Act
    • Repeal of Social Security
    • Increase in taxes of lowest and middle incomes
    • Reduction in the minimum wage
    • Shutdown of major news outlets of “reporting lies”
    • Ban of reporting “bad news”
    • New ability to farmers to hire for no wage
    • New protections to reject hiring/customers/schooling based on colour
    • Collapse of NOAA
    • Atheists targeted as terrorists
    • Democrats imprisoned for Socialist ties
    • Mysterious disappearances of democrats
    • Random deportation of American citizens for being first/second generation
    • Removal of all laws related to carbon output

    Yes, some of these are fearmongering but he’s made all sorts of promises and debts are due! The sky is the limit!

  • FlashMobOfOne
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    It doesn’t matter.

    Europeans know the history of fascism much, much better than Americans do and they’re electing right-wing leaders too.

    • @[email protected]
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      276 months ago

      Where this country is going, we don’t need luck. We need a fucking meteor to hit us, to put us out of our misery.

        • stebo
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          116 months ago

          clearly it’s more than half…

          • @[email protected]
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            126 months ago

            Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That’s around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn’t come down to a little more than half no matter who wins.

              • @[email protected]
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                Or they do care but don’t see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power

          • @[email protected]
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            316 months ago

            It’s not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side.

              • @[email protected]
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                Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters… It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that’s on the high side.

                • stebo
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                  like the other commenter said, both trump voters as people who do not vote are stupid (except for those who were physically unable to vote in any way)

        • @[email protected]
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          You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.

          The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.

          So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.

          Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.

            • @[email protected]
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              Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn’t move her policy positions.

              • @[email protected]
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                Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit.

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                  Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family.

                  Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide.

                  Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice.

                  Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation.

                  Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters.

                  Gaza wa the easy issue.

            • @[email protected]
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              56 months ago
              1. I’m not an American voter.

              2. My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris.

              3. I’d say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote.

              4. No reason to panic. It’s just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you’ve elected people who’ve never followed up on their promises.

              5. I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being “just an imperfect democracy” and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis.

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          *Slightly less than half most of us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFY

          • @[email protected]
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            Roughly 1/3 of the voting age population.

            About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote.

            We’re outnumbered 2:1

        • @[email protected]
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          56 months ago

          Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in.

    • cassie 🐺
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      Hi, this sentiment from non-americans pisses me off and it’s okay, but I feel it’s important to explain why so I’m copying another comment I made today.

      Goodness knows some of us are trying our best. I mean keep in mind our country is a democracy in name but systemically props up white supremacists in excess of the real popular opinion. And a media disinformation machine keeps the working class divided against itself, with open support from the wealthiest and owners of the most popular social media platforms. Social media platforms that, let’s be honest, are super recent inventions we are not yet capable of engaging with safely. It makes it an uphill battle to try to reach out to people whose necks aren’t on the line. And the responsibility to do so falls upon the disenfranchised themselves, who are increasingly saddled with economic and health burdens that might just kill us someday.

      I get the potshots at Americans, but frankly I don’t plan on taking the blame if this goes tits up - many of us did a hell of a lot more than vote to resist fascism. Nothing happened here that isn’t happening elsewhere. And I’ll fight the notion that citizens at large are the problem. It’s a cynical outlook that serves to individualize the responsibility for a systematic disaster. Our country was built to make this possible after all. And I sure as hell know I don’t plan on giving up. Kind of morbidly curious about how much of an incompetent clusterfuck Project 2025’s implementation will be.

      Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.

      • @[email protected]
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        Keep calm and carry on, mate. We here in Britain finally managed to get rid of the blonde fella who was wrecking our country, you can also do it. The new ones may not be much of an improvement, but I know one thing for sure - a decent citizen of any nation should never accept as their leader such a corrupted and crooked in so many ways person.

        • @[email protected]
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          We traded an orange man for a white man and even that seemed to enrage the conservatives, a black woman? No chance. Proud to be an American here 🙄

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            Yeah, but still. How, how could anyone vote for this ekstra speshial man? And, more importantly, how can someone like me stay sane knowing that such morally corrupt candidates are winning votes, and not only in the US?

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              I legitimately do not understand why. The evidence is clear and there’s no attempt to hide the racism and xenophobia, I guess I just overestimated how my country feels about fascists. Thought we sorted this shit in the 40’s but I guess we’re doing the fourth Reich instead.

              I don’t want to live on this planet anymore 👍

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                Well, good pills were an option for me once, for the second question. I can not over-state the importance of seeking help in case shit hits the fan for you personally. Especially if one, like me, was raised in a masculine environment where you being all manly can see a doctor twice in your life: when you are born and when you are dead. Outside of medication - taking a step back from social media helps immensely. As for the first q, i think a lot of people gave answers like “people are just bad”, and they may be right, but I do not want to accept it.

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              I mean clearly, to americans as a whole, women are scaaaary. Look at them taking their autonomy away with their anti-abortion laws.

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        Yeah with such a horrendous outcome, blame starts flying (it’s the republicans’ fault one billion percent more than anybody else’s, btw) and sometimes in moments of understandable fury people start saying shit. There are some people who this makes sense to say at, and some who it doesn’t, and they’re both Americans.

        If the person saying it was born in a different country and did all the right things, they’d be saying this at themselves. For doing the right thing.

        Whatever, precise wording and being super pissed off don’t go together. The sentiment that this is all super fucked up is right on the money.

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        There are always fighters like you which can’t be blamed. Nevertheless, most of the American voters are frankly deranged. As a Mexican who has been in the rural areas of the USA, it really fits.

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        Fascists are paper tigers… bold statement. Especially if those paper tigers have access to the biggest military budget on the planet and are backed by an out-of-control police force.

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        Victory or no, fascists are paper tigers and I plan on sticking around to remind them of that fact however I can.

        See, this is the issue.

        It used to be this way. That until they’re actually in power (and I mean have removed the democractic process that could remove them from power again, too), fascists pose big but there’s no bite behind the bark.

        But Jan 6 and Trump’s general antics being excused by his cronies in the SC have clearly shown that this is changing. People are emboldened by the fascist rise in all western countries, on top of the generally aggressive atmosphere worldwide as the older generations, unable to face their own misgivings and the shit they caused to pile up, would rather vote for fascism and “blaming Them™️” than accept that maybe it’s high time we accept some really rough times to turn the ship around.
        Fully knowing that none of them will live long enough to actually suffer the outcome of their actions.

        Even my dad started voting AfD. His reason being “It’s time something changes!”. He’s just unhappy with the status quo, even if you fully tell him that he, personally, is among those suffering under the AfD and they’re open about wanting to make things worse for him. It’s impossible to reason with these people, as them wanting to be reasoned with would mean they’d have to accept that between climate change and the secondary monumental tasks of trying to handle that which are all inherently global super-issues, too, their generation only had it good in their days because they were living on credit.
        But does he truly care? No of course not. He’s old. He can be contrarian and vote “against the establishment”, and that this fucks everything up more or less permanently isn’t a problem for him since he’ll be long dead by the time the issues that could have been prevented truly come into force. Much as we’re already seeing some issues such as curtailed bodily autonomy for women, increase in violent climes, and of course climate disasters.

        Things have changed. People fully do shit now simply because their age and general position in society shields them from the outcome, and they just want to be “against”. And they can openly flaunt this, so crime etc is on the rise. Big time.

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        You’re right. The sentiment more comes from the power the USA weilds globally vs the massive responsibility the population don’t seem to realise they have. If anything, the dumb motherfuckers will be the countries that keep allowing the USA to have this power while clearly the population - and by extension the new president - don’t take this responsibility seriously.

        I’m lucky. I don’t live in Palestine or Ukraine, both of which are all but guaranteed to be fed to the wolves. It’s heartbreaking to watch the complacency of a population who think the price of eggs is worth more than thousands of people’s lives. But here we are… and we’re angry.

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      True, but I love how the first we blame for this outcome are the American people.

      I blame Kamala Harris and her botching her campaign. She had amazing momentum at the start, then slowly threw it all away, instead politicking to small businesses and Republicans instead of workers and their own base: Democrats.

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        I have to say when I watched the debate whilst Kamala herself impressed me, nothing she said felt very inspirational. I thought it was pretty clear what big picture items the base wanted and all she could come up with was a payment to new families and help for small business. This is good and all, but not the larger national and foreign policy announcements people wanted.

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        They voted for a con man, a fascist, a criminal, someone who tried to steal the last election. Kamala could be a bowl of day old warm potato salad and voting for him would still be one of the dumbest things imaginable.

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          Doesn’t matter.

          Self-interest matters. What politicians will do for voters matters. That day old potato salad may be better than Trump, but it’s not at all inspiring.

          If Democrats really took fascism as a threat, they would have activated Tim Walz and his views and pushed as fast and as hard as they could with the time they had to make the most progressive campaign since Obama’s.

          But they went after the base who would have voted for a fascist anyways.

          This is Democrats’ own doing. Sorry.

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            When fully capable adults do stupid things, like voting for an man with as many very serious faults as Trump, I blame them for doing it. That Democrats were ineffective at convincing people (or inspiring them) not to do something stupid doesn’t make the thing any less stupid to do. Inspiration is not required to avoid being idiot.

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      As if the rest of the world wasn’t on the same slippery slope…

      Things are looking glum all over.

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        Yeah but Americans not being ~56% the dumb fuckwits they seemingly are would have sent a good positive signal to the rest.

        Now the opposite happens and the fascists everywhere will feel strongly encouraged, on top of strong US-support for autocratic Russia and big support for completely depopulating Gaza (after all, Trump is a big fan of Neta “finishing the job” in his own words).

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        We fought hard and carried the team as best we could. We probably won’t be eating as much curb as some states, but fucking frustrating as hell that some Americans can’t get their shit together for 12 goddamn minutes. It’s like half the country forgot how bad 2020 was, not to mention the insane shit that went down day in and day out for years.

        I hope, HOPE that we have the privilege of voting in four years, and that by some miracle, the president, Senate and house and SC (all projected to be Republican) somehow forget to fuck with our election system.

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        I almost wish we could just be our own country. Washington, Oregon, and California are already very much aligned with one another.

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        Also the US: Look at those foreign countries, bad guys because of what their government is doing regardless of whether it’s what their people want.

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          It kills me …I got into it with a colleague this morning while discussing this very topic. When I brought up that whatever the current trending “bad guy” is, we will always see an increase in hate crimes against that demographic in our own country. When I used the increased attacks on anyone appearing to be slightly middle eastern after 9/11 as an example she angrily spat out that “they’ve killed thousands of us.” And I had to remind her that she was literally giving an example of what we were discussing.

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          Many, many Americans do not see things that way at all. You constantly encounter people saying that they like Chinese people but not the CCP, for example.

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          The word you’re looking for is Nazi. We just repeated the Madison Square Garden rally and here we goooo

  • Zier
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    You can blame religion for trump. A rapist con man who never goes to church is their new jesus. What a fucking cult.

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    The next question now is. Will your neighbors/friends/relatives cooperate with the new SS (ICE)

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    1. Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.

    2. Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list for Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.

    3. Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.

    4. Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.

    5. Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.

    6. Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.

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    Some of us are still trying to figure out how this happened here. At least in between trying to figure out where and how to flee the country, and shutting down entirely.