• Cris
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    272 years ago

    I genuinely do understand concerns about legal issues and the risk of facilitating illegal activities- but its not even hosted on their instance, why would it mater that the communities EXIST. They’re literally hosted by someone else…?

    • @[email protected]
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      Most rappers are legitimate criminals some even murderers. They don’t deserve shit.

      People act like “normal” people aren’t criminals. The world is really dark. Oh yeah not to mention ruining lives and families by selling them crack or pimping out women and kids.

      Snoop drove for a hitter.

      Source: seent it irl.

        • @[email protected]
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          My life growing up with emcees and bloods that connect with Boston and ny/bk/bx. As well as being in the graffiti culture. I’ve had death threats against my family and kids and gunshots directly outside my house, and been stalked. Seen fist sized rocks of meth and automatic weapons.

          Believe it or not not heeding the wisdom will be your loss if you ever end up mixed up in the bullshit. It made me almost kill myself and I’m still dealing with it.

          Not talking about pop rap. Aside from the old heads from the 90s.

          Every dealer has a boss. Every boss has to protect their life. Every boss has a crew. I’ve seen shit deep. I know the way it all works. Favors for favors etc. If you aren’t the guy on the top then your freedom relies on being submissive to the one above you. I’ve seen people do anything to stay out of prison.

          • sammer510 [none/use name]
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            92 years ago

            I for one would simply not get involved with a drug dealing gang enterprise lmfao

            Also “trust me bro it happened to me” is not a source.

            • @[email protected]
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              I didn’t I just grew up around them. They groomed me basically to be naive to their bullshit. Once they realized I actually knew they started threatening my family. Stealing shit etc.

              I never sold drugs or painted with them but they realized I knew about their names, and where they live, and how they make their money. They are really sloppy with it.

          • newIdentity
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            12 years ago

            Every dealer has a boss

            Might’ve been the case 20 years ago but nowadays you can buy drugs in bulk through the dark net. If you have good opsec you won’t be caught that easily and it’s way safer. If you don’t care about OpSec, you shouldn’t sell or even own drugs in the first place

    • sammer510 [none/use name]
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      142 years ago

      Pretty sure the artists get paid whether consumers pirate the final product or not? The Bungie devs don’t get paid less money for every game that is pirated 🤡

      • newIdentity
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        Actually they might. Game developers get bonuses based on how well the game sold. Well a lot at least. It’s not just games though.

        I still pirate things. It’s just way more convenient than having 30 subscriptions

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      82 years ago

      Artists don’t deserve to be paid for their work.

      That’s the take of the suits and investors that receive the staggering majority of the revenue from the companies you’re stanning for. capitalist-laugh

    • @[email protected]
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      32 years ago

      So just pirate indie releases right? As artist for manor companies already don’t get paid

  • GayTuckerCarlson [she/her]
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    1622 years ago

    Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like

    Pirate game

    Company loses $60 because it’s theft

    Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive

    Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft

    Buy insolvent company for cheap

    Delete all game copies, company profitable again

  • @[email protected]
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    2 years ago

    I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.

    The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol

    • @[email protected]
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      32 years ago

      They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing

      • @[email protected]
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        72 years ago

        My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.

        Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          Someone posted on another comment, the guy in the screenshot takes always the same name for his accounts. I just agree with him

      • @[email protected]
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        42 years ago

        When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.

    • @[email protected]
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      42 years ago

      I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.

      That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.

      At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.

      Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…

      • @[email protected]
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         Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.

        For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 

        It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.

        My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”

        • @[email protected]
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          22 years ago

          Well in that case I agree with you.

          People should pirate what they want without making excuses.

          • @[email protected]
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            12 years ago

            Bingo. Own the act, then explain it to folks without being defensive or straight up lying to yourself.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          You have a point, but it’s kind of like people who resist all gun control due to the second amendment despite the shootings going on

          Yeah, if life continues on as-is, the argument has little merit. On the other hand, in the case of the second amendment, we have fascists making a credible move for control.

          In the case of archiving DRM content, if we have a cataclysm (which seems increasingly likely), then having drm-free, ideally unencrypted, content sitting on random hard drives might end up making an enormous difference in a lot of lives

          Or even without a cataclysm, just general enshittification might end up destroying the gaming and media industries - passed around old games might be the seed for the next generation of tech-heads. I started my path by jailbreaking my PSP so I could use custom web browsers and homebrew - spreading these after the Internet is locked down by efforts like kosa and WEI (and whatever comes next) might be the spark that motivates the next generation

  • @[email protected]
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    322 years ago

    Most pirates doesn’t use the product if pirated version isn’t avaliable, they aren’t a costumer, blocking piracy is actually a bad marketing decision, people can build hype even if they aren’t paying. No significant revenue is actually lost for piracy

    • I Cast Fist
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      62 years ago

      people can build hype even if they aren’t paying

      Historical examples: Windows and Photoshop, especially in countries outside G7. XP was probably the most pirated version of Windows and I wouldn’t be surprised if Photoshop was also the number 1 most pirated program during the mid-late 2000’s

    • @[email protected]
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      282 years ago

      Piracy also kept the music industry afloat before Spotify and whatever

      It’s free advertising and costs nothing to the artist

      • Wugmeister
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        132 years ago

        piracy also kept the music industry afloat

        And we all saw how grateful 🙏 the music industry was to Napster and the like

        • @[email protected]
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          102 years ago

          But the music industry (mostly) figured it out. You can get the same song from a subscription to any number of services.

          TV/Movies are still siloed. Once they figure out that it’s better to let you subscribe to one service and watch anything, that’s the day that most piracy will stop.

          • CuriousGoo
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            22 years ago

            They did figure out having 1 service for watching a huge library of movies/TV with a Netflix. But they have started imploding because of corporate greed, which is bringing back piracy by the masses.

        • Uriel238 [all pronouns]
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          72 years ago

          They were sore about mixtapes and even blocked the release of DAT in the United States.

          Intellectual Property is an illness.

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    252 years ago

    Lemmy.world admins are the worst fucking dweebs on the fediverse.

    I need to check out this community to improve my piracy game 🏴‍☠️