I’m all for letting servers choose what they want to ban and allow. Its easy enough to just create a new account on a different server if you do not agree with the server admins decisions.
That’s the beauty of federation. The user can also setup his own instance to access the content if he wishes. He might have to learn how to do it, but its totally doable.
Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don’t help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.
piracy is better than streaming
You’re telling me, buddy :D and not just for the obvious reasons that bring us to this community, hard disks are also better than the “cloud”.
I wish them luck in their quixotic quest to police the entire lemmyverse
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extremely regulated discourse
no downvotes
an instance owner basing their defederation policy on personal whim
"Party animals“?
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Ah fair enough
Isn’t that hard. It’s not that big
There’s a story about trying to suppress an insurrection. You have ten insurgents. You kill five. The next day you have fifteen insurgents…
Isn’t that hard. It’s not that big
Corporations when some dude steals a copy of a 30 year old movie: 😡
Corporations when they steal billions from their workers salaries every year: 🤑
We also pay for their bailouts and subsidies. Piracy is ethical.
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See, this is the stuff I was talking about in my other comment. Too many arguments in favor of piracy are these little one off, no context one-liners that sound snappy/true, but lack nuance.
It’s not that you don’t have a point, but you need to actually tease this out a little more, and also addressed the fact that most people who are pirating are not doing it for that reason. There is always unwillingness by piracy advocates to acknowledge that some people do it just because they want free shit. It’s not a moral stance, it’s not a social movement, it’s not a financial necessity, they just don’t want to pay for it. 
I definitely don’t ever pirate. I would never use transmission or the pirate bay to acquire what I want. But if I did, which, of course I don’t, I would admit it’s because of a combination of 1) convenience, 2) the ability to deploy where I want it, more specifically 3) so I can put it on my server to stream on my network, and 4) because of fears of the programming being taken down, such as streaming services.
I would also be lying if I said I wouldn’t do it because I don’t want to spend money on it. That’s just me being honest.
My point being that whatever your reasoning, I just don’t like when people throw out bullshit excuses or examples that only apply to .001% of people engaging in piracy.
There is always unwillingness by piracy advocates to acknowledge that some people do it just because they want free shit.
Some people do it just because they want free shit. I don’t care. It’s still good.
I think you’re missing the thrust of my point. I am not passing judgment on whether or not it’s OK to want free stuff. I am saying making excuses to pretend you don’t undermines the pro-piracy position.
You were responding to:
We also pay for their bailouts and subsidies. Piracy is ethical.
There was nothing in this statement to suggest the motive behind piracy had anything to do whether or not it is ethical. There was nothing in this statement to indicate that the author was engaging in piracy for purely altruistic reasons.
I don’t see how the author was “making excuses to pretend [they] don’t” “want free stuff.” And I don’t see how arguing that piracy is ethical is implicitly arguing that you only do it for altruistic reasons. I think bringing up the selfish motives behind piracy without prompting is an implicit admission that there is a connection between selfish motives and the ethics of piracy. And finally, I think parsimony is effective.
I was widening the scope of the conversation and discussing a frustration, not accusing them of anything. I can see why my intentions were unclear though, that’s on me.
I agree about snippy one liners but I’m also not invested in this topic enough to go deeply into it. Maybe not until someone engages. I just browse lemmy, I share thoughts. I’m just here to hang out. If I want to learn then I read a book. I try not to take this site or myself on this site too seriously. I also like how you responded in somewhat long form. I like that a lot, and I’m hoping one day I can join tildes.net and participate in longer conversations.
That said, I don’t think it’s a bullshit response and I don’t think I need to elaborate on how subsidies work or how deregulation has siphoned money from the public and given it to private companies. For me, it doesn’t matter why an individual chooses to pirate or how they justify it. I see it as a form of protest and anyone participating in the protest for any reason is doing it for the right reason.
I think it’s interesting that people jump to the defence of copyright, or question the morality of piracy on the grounds of what damage it might cause to creators and publishers. Tax laws - old (austerity taxes), new (lowered corporate taxes), and proposed (100% inheritance tax) are much more significant than any effect piracy will ever have. This is what we should be debating and arguing about, not with piracy. It’s peanuts.
If you go through my comment history, you’ll see that I repeatedly am in favor of most piracy arguments. I am just talking about bad defenses here. 
I’m also not sure why you’re saying you don’t really care yet took the time to write all of that. 
Ok. I’m not trying to get into anything here with you. I’ve said what I wanted to say.
Taking money for a 30-year-old movie is pretty much government-assisted stealing, if I’m honest. Copyright in the USA originally had a term of 14 years.
Here’s the thing: copyright term includes the life of the author plus a fixed period. So the works you and I nobodies produce will eventually become public domain after we die. HOWEVER, and this is just my underatanding of the laws and I’m definitely not a lawyer, not big name IPs because they are not registered under the human author, but a corporation that is both a person under the law and effectively immortal. So even if it’s two thousand years after George Lucas dies, Star Wars will still be copyrighted as long as Disney exists, and even if Disney dies, part of the process of corporate “death” is liquidation where they sell their IPs to the next asshole corporation.
Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.
You’re wrong, which is why Disney keep lobbying to get the length of IP ownership extended - they don’t want all their IPs becoming public property.
IIRC corporate copyrights expire something like 95-100 years after creation. Copyright of works created by an individual is 70 years post death.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/03/mickey-mouse-disney-copyright-expiry
Afaik you are not correct. Copyrights for a corporation also have an expiration date.
Except – The expiration date can be extended by just continuing to use the IP – Ever wondered why movies get remakes/reimaginings every 30 years or so? We meme about them being “Out of ideas”, but really it’s so they can hold down their copyright.
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Using an IP doesn’t extend the date at which it becomes public. Movies get remakes etc because they want to make more money. Some movie companies have deals around IP with the original IP owner that revert if they don’t use the IP, but that’s separate from when the IP goes public. Mickey Mouse for example will become public domain in 2024 unless disney successfully lobby for the length of copyright to be extended (again).
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jul/03/mickey-mouse-disney-copyright-expiry
Winnie the Pooh recently became public domain for example, which is how we got the god awful 18+ movie “blood and honey”.
Sony for example have exclusive movie rights to the Spider-Man IP in perpetuity as long as they release a movie every 5.75 years at most, otherwise it reverts back to Marvel. That’s why they keep rebooting it and releasing sequels no matter how garbage they are - it’s better for them to release a trash movie that bombs than it is to lose the most valuable superhero IP in the world.
Now that Stan Lee is dead, however, there is a countdown set for when the Spider-Man IP becomes public domain, and no amount of movie or comic releases will delay that.
Except – The expiration date can be extended by just continuing to use the IP – Ever wondered why movies get remakes/reimaginings every 30 years or so? We meme about them being “Out of ideas”, but really it’s so they can hold down their copyright.
No, that’s just wrong. At one point, early Marvel contracts had clauses that allowed the movie producer to keep the contract going if they continued to put out movies. When Marvel got big (post-Iron Man), they had been trying to claw back those contracts. That’s why Fox kept putting out an X-Man movie every few years, and Sony kept putting out Spiderman.
But, that has nothing to do with copyrights, and all of the remakes are just shit that Hollywood does for memberberries.
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol
I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.
That’s not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few “pro-piracy” people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they’re smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don’t really know what’s going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck…
 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
Well in that case I agree with you.
People should pirate what they want without making excuses.
Bingo. Own the act, then explain it to folks without being defensive or straight up lying to yourself.
You have a point, but it’s kind of like people who resist all gun control due to the second amendment despite the shootings going on
Yeah, if life continues on as-is, the argument has little merit. On the other hand, in the case of the second amendment, we have fascists making a credible move for control.
In the case of archiving DRM content, if we have a cataclysm (which seems increasingly likely), then having drm-free, ideally unencrypted, content sitting on random hard drives might end up making an enormous difference in a lot of lives
Or even without a cataclysm, just general enshittification might end up destroying the gaming and media industries - passed around old games might be the seed for the next generation of tech-heads. I started my path by jailbreaking my PSP so I could use custom web browsers and homebrew - spreading these after the Internet is locked down by efforts like kosa and WEI (and whatever comes next) might be the spark that motivates the next generation
They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that’s just how capitalism works if you don’t like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they’re doing
Found the loser in the screenshots alt lmaooo get a life my guy
Someone posted on another comment, the guy in the screenshot takes always the same name for his accounts. I just agree with him
My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don’t explore the topic, you’re no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
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When deciding whether or not use someone’s art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
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They look like they are having fun on line:
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Gonna commit copyright infringement later, just to spite this poor man even more
Unrelated but nice pfp
Thanks, a kind anon drew it for me :)
I’m infringing copyright as I type this
Fair enough. I’m not home so I’m prevented from doing so
Look around wherever you are and see if there are any billboards visible. Study one and memorize it. Boom, copyright violation. It’s fun and easy and anyone can do it!
no if you look at a billboard you’re observing an ad. don’t do that.
Draw the advertisement on a napkin and show it to other people. Bam! That company is infringed af
Companies hate it when you disseminate their advertising material like that. Stick it to the man!
The trick is to explain every thing in the ad. Also, and they fucking hate this, tell them the history of the company the ad is for and where they sell that product! Lol reckedem! Let’s see them try to advertise around here again !
Gotta automate that shit.
I just created a lemmy.ca account because LW down time guess I use this account as my main and the other one is to collecting dust
Ironic, since companies would like to consider homebrew at the same level as piracy.
Obvious troll is obvious
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I buy most of my content, steam mostly for games, have spotify, buy music from bandcamp for DJ sets, at least my favorites, have family netflix, HBO, disney +, although I don’t use those as much since they are mostly full of crap. Sometimes I even buy/rent a movie if it is not available in those and I can’t find any torrent, or just out of convenience. I produce music and buy all my audio software (ableton and fuckton of plugins) because I don’t want to deal with the hassle of using pirated versions. I buy ebooks every now and then too, although with that I also admittely pirate some, especially when the author is dead, in which case I really don’t feel any guilt for pirating it. I also use patreon often and support creators that way.
I still think piracy needs to be an option, so streaming services can’t have their way and we are just forced to use their enshittified platforms. I avoid it, because I understand not everything can be open source, and nothing get’s done without revenue. I don’t pirate from small authors/creators.
All the while musicians get basically fucking nothing from huge streaming services profiting from their labor. Series get cancelled left and right despite good reception because they were not profitable enough, although still profitable, because netflix is only interested making next big hit. Games are filled with microtransactions and kernel level tracking (anti cheat), forced online features in single player game and sometimes games one bought are just made unavailable, like with old mobile games (case in point, dead space mobile). Professional software is often moved to predatory subscription models and paywalled updates to the software, like Avid, Waves.
And people still cirlejerk about piracy being the worst thing to intellectual property ever. Problem isn’t piracy, problem is small creators are payed so little from listens/views/whatever that the can barely get by, and have to make alternate source of income via patreon or some other stuff. Piracy won’t even make a dent in that.
Luckily in every category some people/companies are pushing back but all of this is just case in point why we need piracy. When I get around releasing music/games, I don’t mind piracy at all, might even put my own tunes on pirate sites out of spite. Current intellectual property laws are fucking joke and only benefit the largest creators in their respective fields.
Jesus that is beyond cringe. World fanbois simping for their domains and admins lmao.
I see a bunch of people on Lemmy World that don’t understand how the fediverse works and refuse to run their own instances. Server admins can do what they want with federations, just like all the people here can do what they want when they run their own instances. If you self host you can federate with whoever you want to.
Yeah, I don’t know why they make drama out of this, it was just a desicion, dumb, unnecessary, coward or whatever you want to but they’re in their right at the end of the day
I don’t know why they make drama out of this
Because you keep coming back on additional alts to vomit more rage at LGBTQIA+ people.
I see a lot of people taking issue with how it was handled. An obvious troll controlling sock puppets apparently spurred this, sure.
But the mods of Lemmy World went on a reddit-like spiteful ban spree, apparently forgetting that we can all see their modlogs or simply not caring about it. People got up in arms over the very childish and assholish behavior of the Lemmy World mods, and folks were eventually unbanned in some cases, but still banned from the main communities as punishment. For example, people saying they would just leave and federate their own instance got banned with mod messages telling them “let us help you with that”.
That’s really poor moderation. Do you have the details of where to look to see it all?
Woah, now that’s some childish petty shit
Unfortunately most mods become mods because they desire the power to do things like this. They don’t want to help foster and grow a community, they just want the power to ban people they don’t like at will.
That’s all well and good in theory, but in practice it isn’t as easy.
Communities here will naturally centralize to the biggest ones. If all of a sudden an admin of the instance that a certain massive community is on goes bananas and starts de-federating from all sorts of instances and makes stupid decisions, just saying “hurr durr just go and make your own instance and community” isn’t helpful because 99% of the people there won’t just pick up and start again on a different instance.
The decentralized nature was supposed to solve the problems with centralization, but really all it does is make the same centralization problems happen more often.
