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People need to stop blaming voters, we all need to start understand why this happen more and more in the world and not judge the voters for their decision. I have some theories but its not the time or place, but stop say “people are dumb” or “People need educations”… 100 million people cant be all dumb or uneducated, go deeper!
He will have the biggest ego in the history of the world.
Always has been
By any chance, is there a way to impeach someone before swearing in?
Those of us who gave it our all don’t deserve this.
Metoo?
More like you, again.
Back again 🎵
Slimey’s back!
It’s the end.
i don’t think posts about him are appropriate here. the kind of dystopia wants to bring is not the boring kind. it’s straight up cartoonish shit, like the government from v for vendetta
And he’ll hand this country to the rich in a silver platter.
Either party was going to do that, unfortunately. But this is definitely worse with Putin being invited to take the VIP seat at the table.
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Are there betting markets for when that turd drops dead?
Shithole country.
Hopefully dems nominate someone who actually has soul instead of a walking checklist like Kamala. Oh, who am I kidding? They won’t learn anything from this either.
Was that really the issue? She felt pretty “souly” to me. I’m wondering if it’s more voter turnout and people not being ready to vote for a woman (for whatever reason).
I mean was Biden really above and beyond Harris? He beat Trump, and Trump arguably has even less going for him this election.
It was Martin Prince vs Bart Simpson.
She ran a traditional campaign on issues, Trump got them chanting “More asbestos” difference is they voted.
The Dems need to realise that this is now a popularity contest and you have to fight a cult of personality with a cult of personality.
It’s certainly how it feels to me when she had a worse turnout than Biden of all people. People truly don’t care for her.
He beat Trump,
Yes, but after four years of being traumatized by Trump voters would have turned out for a blow-up doll. The same will probably happen in four years’ time, I reckon.
I’d say Harris actually had a lot more “Not Trump” energy than Biden could ever muster, but her inability to promise the voting anything other than just more of the same and the fact that Biden and the Dems have actually done zilch to stop the right-wing insanity in the past four years just demoralized the voting public.
The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
maybe it’s not time to run, maybe it’s time to fight.
and move where? to another country electing fascists?
I’m thinking South America is the play. The anglosphere is all facing similar problems, the northern hemisphere is starting to really feel climate change, and the food is incredible
They have their own political issues, but they never shook the idea of socialism.
The quality of life is rapidly improving. They have tons of natural resources, great soil, they’ll be less impacted by climate change in the southern hemisphere, and most importantly they have Internet
As for me, I’m doubling down on my Spanish practice
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
They’ll be drinking champagne (or the Russian equivalent) in the Kremlin tonight. Putin and the KGB played the long game and won.
Lol, no thanks, I think things will get really good around here once January hits
With Trump, Musk, and RFK Jr. running things, how can we go wrong?
Exactly!
Need someone to remind you of this comment in 2028?
Yes please!
I’d love to leave, but it isn’t feasible for me. I’m absolutely terrified and have no way out.
I can’t even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?
How about illegal immigration :D
Easier said than done there bucko. Most of us are just going to have to live here and take it because legal immigration into another nation is just as bad in most countries as it is here in America.
Oh it’s worse, the Immigration system for America is actually easier than Canada or Europe
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?
“If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.
Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right
Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).
The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.
No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc because no one outside of Quebec can vote for the Bloc.
To be fair to myself, you can vote for anyone. It just won’t necessarily count since it’ll spoil the ballot.
No you can’t, we don’t have write in in Canada.
You’re given a pen/pencil and asked to fill out a box. Nothing prevents you from writing stuff, but whatever. It’s not like it matters.
“won’t necessarily count” implies that it might or might not.
We don’t have write ins in Canada, we just put an X or a check mark next to a name that’s already on the ballot. If you add anything else on it your ballot gets discarded and you vote won’t count even if there’s an X or a check mark next to an actual name.
I’m starting to doubt that you ever voted in Canada.
Thanks for the added context. I’ve seen a few headlines about what’s happening, but it’s good to hear the perspective from someone that lives there.
My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).
Say hi to Jesse Ventura for me.
Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.
There’s still a chance for them.
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?
I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included
Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.
Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
Immigration is never easy… Right? I’d like to hear more stories from those who ensured the process.
My wife’s story isn’t too exciting. Her tio and tia were able to get visas in the early 80s and were both Doctors. After they received citizenship and established themselves in the United States, they started helping the rest of the family come over. My wife’s immediate family applied for visas in 95 and was approved in 99. They had a big support system of family already here and gained citizenship a few years later. Her story is one of the better/easier ones and she is very aware of that.
Without getting into too much personal stuff, she has heard multiple stories of one or two children (as young as 7) getting separated from the rest of their family for a month/months at detention centers. Some of them deal with the trauma better than others . It seems like the younger kids normalized it in their head, but it’s always weird for her when they ask about her immigration story, and how much easier it was for her.
Shipping your things? Lmao 🤣
What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.
If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?
“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”
How do I leave?
By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.
That’s easier said than done. I have a passport, but a lot of countries are still pretty hard to get a job in as a foreigner even with a skill set that is in demand. I have actually been looking for a while. It’s not easy.
What is so fucked that the US isn’t an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don’t really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they’re taking over their respective countries… We are not in a good place.
we don’t really have any more true democracies
What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?
Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?
Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?
Let me reword that. We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
We have no liberal democracies as we thought of them in the 90s.
No. But that’s largely because we were lied to on the definition.
Best part of all this is there are still probably people who think that leftists are the anti-democratic ones…
Everyone knows that “Dictatorship of the Proletariat” doesn’t mean “Working People control the government”. It means “One Guy In a Hardhat Is The King”. Now lets re-litigate every historical event between 1917 and 1945, while drawing parallels back to the modern moment and insisting tankies stole the election.
Counterpoint… If you leave, you’re leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.
Stay, and become ungovernable.
Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.
Yeah, you do, or at least a partial control.
The results of last night’s election says otherwise.
Then run, no amount of handwashing will protect you from nuclear fire.
No amount of voting seems to help either.
Actually, we know the exact amount of voting required to help.
I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but the moron death cult already has the arsenal
You imply that Trump actually intends to govern and not rule.
Become unruleable.
You’re off to a good start.
trump is a potential threat to other countries
At what point in the last eight decades hasn’t the US posed a threat to almost every other country on the planet?
I’m not leaving. All my friends are here. We don’t run from danger.
Fuck that, I love this country and I’m not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They’re the ones that should be leaving.
What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?
Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.
It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.
I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.
I’ve been duped or in denial or something.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it’s no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn’t going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party’s election strategy.
always has been.
God what an ugly bug he is.
I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.
Calxit?
Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!
CAWAORxit?
CAWAORNYIL… And New Englandxit.
I think that just describes a civil war at this point lol
…my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.
Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.
Oh that part’s easy.
Money.
California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.
As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.
As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.
Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.
Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
Your state just voted to keep slavery btw.
I heard. We weren’t immune to the low turn out, and if anything we had a lot more protest votes since we’re a “safe blue” state. Actually I’m much more concerned about how it impacts some house races. We might be a bit screwed, and lazy Californians might be why.
Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
My teacher is also an anti masker.
Send help pls.When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.
I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.
If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.
Hardly anyone can afford to live in the progressive parts unfortunately.
It’s true. Some places are affordable but won’t be terribly enjoyable unless a lot of progressives move there (like Bakersfield isn’t the worst place in the world).
Edit: on two separate occasions I saw cars wrapped in full anime weeb regalia parked in places in Bakersfield. It’s just mostly immigrant farm workers, though.
yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”
Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.
Yeah I feel the same with illinois.
If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights
Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.
Laws are only real if they’re enforced. What we know is is that Trump promised to send troops into “sanctuary cities” and this time around, his wranglers know better on how to use him. Go to a safe city or state, but be prepared to move country if you’re one of their undesirables.
Good luck gentlemen o7
