This is not my personal opinion, I know Gen Z men who voted for Harris. But the voter demographics really speak for themselves, and maybe now people will look at the radicalization of young men as a serious (but solvable) issue.
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Wonder if it has anything to do with oligarchs taking over the internet so only a select few sites run by them are popular. It can’t be just like television was to the boomers, no way.
I’m a Gen Z male, from what I can tell it seems like older generations tend to rely more on cable or traditional news outlets while younger generations tend to get their news from social media platforms like Instagram. Cable news tends to be more corporate and “normal”/consistent, while Instagram tends to feed news from a larger variety of sources that tend to be more anti-corporate and radical, but those sources also tend to optimize for very short bursts to get the point across quickly so the user can quickly move on to the next piece of news, and there’s also quite a bit of low effort content and reposts and misinformation and that sort of stuff. So I think it’s social media that’s the main driving factor in causing Gen Z to be more radical - which in some ways is a good thing since they have more awareness of the events in Palestine (and radical leftism is based), but the platform can also put them into far-right fear-mongering bubbles and cause serious problems.
Lemmy wonders… But what about the menzzzz!!!
It’s never about gender… Turns out there are good and shitty people regardless of gender, race, religion or whatever else there might be…
Yeah well if you ignore and ridicule young men asking for help this is what you get
There is no war but class war.
Women asked for some basic goddamn respect and when they got “uppity”(because us men weren’t listening) they really got a “you were mean to me so I’m gunna elect Hitler again”. Millions of people alive today want women strip women of the rights they fought for and women are supposed to be polite about it?!
It’s crazy how weak they are and I’m sad sharing a gender with them.
More like men don’t want to elect someone who actively and publicly tells them they’re the problem based on a minority that believe those things
A not-insignificant number of men are the problem. Where are you seeing the democrats saying this so blatantly? I haven’t seen it yet and would love to know where it’s coming from.
It’s just right wing propaganda.
the data does not support this conclusion. more young men did not vote for Trump, less people in total voted. almost no one changed their vote from last election. people were just convinced to stay home, which always results in Republican wins. both candidates got less votes total than last year, by a lot. i blame this on the “i refuse to vote for genocide” people that have just successfully accelerated that genocide.
And many of those people who voted to “elect Hitler again” were woman. I think it is wild that people keep minimizing the role of the single largest voting demographic into victims.
I thought the Harris campaigns ads to encourage female voters in red counties was incredibly demeaning.
“What happens at the polls stays at the polls”
I’m male, but I cringed hard at those ads.
I wonder if the had good reception at focus groups or something. Maybe it really did play well, I don’t know. But it made it seems like women were too weak to own their opinions or vote.
Yeahhhh, maybe treating voters like that was not a great idea. Also I got the impression if they felt safe about voting before, those ads made them reconsider.
Which would forget the huge amounts of indoctrination that subset of that group has experienced, both religious and just cultural by way of hearing “it’s a woman’s place” for their entire lives. And just because they can be stupid, too, doesn’t mean they aren’t victims and just because they’re victims doesn’t mean they can’t be stupid.
We’re all getting fucked by the right economically and it’s not even hidden a little but but they keep getting into power. It’s the same shit, different pile.
blaming one demographic or another is incredibly stupid. america as a whole voted for trump, dude won the popular vote. the majority wanted this
Alienation caused by economics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation
Fascists have a message for them, the liberals don’t because they are committed to the current economic and political system
“Solidarity forever” applies across gender lines as well as race and other sources of disparity. I wish this could have been made more apparent to our young men, social media has them in its clutches unfortunately. Billionaires did that.
Maybe because one political party despises them and wishes for “the bear”?
That may be mixing up cause and effect
Stop being worse than a bear then
If you tell an entire group of people they’re evil and dangerous because of a small percentage of them how do you think that’s gonna affect their opinion of you and their self esteem
Trump seems to be targeting men with low self esteem and people who are afraid, which the left have played right into
Democrats really did not do themselves any favours by saying stuff like that in the same way trump didn’t do himself any favours by saying stuff about women
Its not that all of you are evil, but that any one of you could be evil. Big difference. Take my brother for example, who explicitly supports me, voted the same way, and is specifically asexual. I would obviously take him, or any man I know to be similar, over a bear. I know Ill be safe with them. But if I don’t get to choose the man, then yes, the bear is the safer option. At least with a bear, I know exactly how to proceed: make noise so it can avoid me, dont leave food out to not atteact it, pack bear spray in the worst case scenario. With a man, I dont know anything about them. And if theyre the minority that will actively hunt me, there’s not a whole lot I can do to deter them or defend myself the way I could with a bear.
On a similar note, if that effects your self esteem when youre clearly not part of the problem, thats a you issue.
Did not say my self esteem, nor that I support trump
I said that’s the group trump is targeting, and the democrats are making it too easy for him to win them over by pushing that same group away
I don’t think any good sentence has ever started with “it’s not that all of (group) are evil”
Fam, we cant outreach to people who hated us first
I’m not doubting you OP, just asking if anyone has the voter demographics data that shows Gen Z males voted for Trump because I’m interested in the #'s of the issue.
As to the question of the post: I think part of the issue is that what it means to be a strong, mentally healthy male has been left unspecified or even attacked in recent years and that’s left a lot of young men confused and upset. Men get all sorts of advice on what’s wrong to do, but not enough on what’s right. Contradictory advice makes the confusion worse.
Are you supposed to chase a girl or is that creepy? How do you navigate increased romantic isolation and dating apps in a healthy way? What are expectations about being the sole income provider a la tradition? In that vacuum confident, opinionated, clear voices are persuasive, and a lot of those voices are the jackasses pushing a toxic masculinity and telling males to reclaim it. We need more strong, positive male role models and visible social support of them if we want to win young men back - they have to know that being better will yield rewards.
Sometimes it feels like a man need to feel guilty just for being a man, even if they have done absolutely nothing wrong.
I don’t know in America. Here in Spain there is a trend in which to be “feminist” somehow you have to admit that you are a little sexist, because are men are sexist even a little. It is an absolute. It’s not even “a majority of men…” its all, no other opinions accepted.
And if you decline that premise, and just say “I’m not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender” you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.
And I refuse that. I refuse to accept having done things that I have not done. Same I reject accepting responsibility for things I have not made or enabled. And some people still want me to accept that guilt.
That trend needs to die. I know that it creates sorority making the “all of us vs all of them” rhetoric, but my humble believe is that that path do not lead to the desired destination.
Edit: I was going to start the comment with “As a man” as it was my assigned at birth gender. But in all true and while for confort I just let most people treat me with masculine gender I just do not believe in gender as a social construct. Not that I do not believe as in I do not believe it exist, I do not believe that gender is a desirable social construct we need to keep in our society. But that’s just my opinion.
And if you decline that premise, and just say “I’m not sexist, I treat everyone the same despite gender” you are somehow lying and trying to hide your sexism, which makes you a bad person or something.
We all have implicit biases, this is undeniable. Denying this doesn’t make you a bad person, but you are denying reality. Having the biases doesn’t make you a bad person either - again we all do. But you can’t be mindful of them if you deny they exist.
As I said I reject that extremist premise.
I declare it an extremist idea because is a “Black or white” “All or nothing” thing. We all need to have those biases so “some people” feel better about themselves, one way or the other.
I do not have those biases. That’s just it. The only thing I deny is a false accusation made by people that does not know me.
Because those people could came a say to me “see this behavior you had” that’s a little sexist. But not, they are unable to point such behavior, they just assume it must exist, because it’s part of their dogma.
I’m totally ok to just being pointed at something I made wrong and willing to correct it. But point it first. Not just assume that wrong behavior exist just because of a dogma.
And I also believe that accusing people of things they have not done just to fit a rhetoric is part of the cause of the disengagement of some collectives with the political mainstream left. Why would anyone would want to be near people that want humilliation, responsability and reparations for things one have just not done?
You are reading a lot into my comment about implicit biases that is literally just not there.
Have a good day!
I understand what you mean, and it sucks. I’ve been accused of being antisemitic because I post against Israeli policy and I’ve never cared about ethnicity or birthplace. Sometimes because I put up a post talking about supporting Jews that oppose Netanyahu’s Zionism. It doesn’t matter to some folks - if you have a problem with certain people it’s not because of what they do or say, it’s sexism, racism, etc.
Here in Canada it’s not automatically assumed men are sexist. There are folks who will say that but they are a small group. I can only imagine it’s maddening to have to defend yourself constantly, especially if most people won’t believe you no matter what. It kind of reminds me of an old Dave Chappelle sketch (NSFW language) about being accused of sleeping with someone and having people assume it happened.
No you’re fair to do so, here’s the demographic breakdowns and differences between 2020 and 2024 from NBC exit polls.
The particular thing to note is that Trump support jumped from 36% to 42% in the 18-29 demographic, while the other age groups remained steady, this is what I think the tweet is going off of.
You are my hero :) Thank you for the link! You are right to say that number is probably significant. Given how vocal female support of Kamala was, it’s likely young men make up a lot of that shift too. Of course we’ll have to wait for more detailed stats to be sure, but it’s not unreasonable IMO.
No worries, I love discussing numbers, and elections always give some great statistical insight, no matter where in the world it is.
My solace today is being able to look at the numbers and intellectualize some of the outcomes. Otherwise I’d just be depressed all day :')
Accidentally checked out /r/GenZ today. Yikes.
Men have already long been abused by the patriarchy alongside with women. In the last couple of years the so-called “liberals” claiming to fight against the patriarchy have joined in the abuse by denying men any escape from that situation
The main source of this recent trending fascism, anti-scientific thinking and so on is social media or the web in general. To resist or refute the mass of false information and find out what’s likely true and what’s not, requires education, literacy, media competency, things like that. I guess current generations are lacking this so they fall easy prey to “funny” fascist memes, fakes and rhetoric, then vote for rightwing extremists, destabilizing their own country as a result, not realizing that this leads to big disadvantages for everyone including themselves. We failed to protect these younger generations from misinformation, and now they are turning the world into what they are misled to believe is true.
We used to have relatively high living standards in the Western democracies. This will soon all crumble and we (most people who aren’t rich) will suffer from it, regardless of who you voted for. And on top of that, climate change will finish us all off, because battling that isn’t even on the radar for those fascists because they don’t even believe in it. So instead of doing too little, we’ll do literally zero and even accelerate the problem, meaning it’ll affect us all much sooner already and with higher intensity.
So enjoy your still existing relatively privileged life while it still lasts. It’s ging to get much, MUCH worse before it’s going to be better again. Buckle up and prepare yourselves.
With the levels of anti-intellectualism, it’s also quite hard.
You write more that 3 lines? You used a “buzzword”? Congratulations, your refutation won’t be read, but will met with ridicule!
My mother’s boyfriend often “reads” articles from more liberal-leaning news sources, and he just laughs at the buzzwords. Cannot tell what the articles were about.
A buzzword being one with three syllables or more, I presume?
(Syllables are probably woke nowadays)
map of climate change outcomes. 2.7 warming. Violet - unhabitable*looks at Russia*
Well, I knew we are fucked.
Russia is going to be a bit busy with a massive influx of climate migrants. America will also have this issue, so they will both have that much bigger problem to deal with.
Do you have the source for this? I’d be interested in learning more, this is pretty useful imo
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01132-6
Its heavily processed and prettified https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01132-6/figures/15
