I’m somewhere between cis male and Ace. My dream girl would be all about this lol I’m so conflicted.
seeing as women are human beings some woman would use this “system” to separate some guy from his current partner so that she could abscond with him.
and 52% of women from my demographic voted for trump so enjoy the delusions
White liberals women are going volcel until the Conservatives change their ways!
I’m going ahead and this dismissing this out of hand. It’s not a thing outside of there curiosity articles and niche circles that have sort of read a bout the SCUM-manifest and so on.
volcel
Is that supposed to be vocal?
And spreading the story of it is a good starting point for getting it outside of smaller niches. Cause this has been a tool for thousands of years that has pretty ok success rate.
No.i meant Vocel, as in voluntary celibate. Sort of the inverse of the incels.
Ohh ok.
Your body your choice. I’m just glad less wage slaves will be born. Having children while understanding how this world works is child abuse.
“Here is $2,500 a month in living expenses, thanks for the dopamine and serotonin sucker!”
I don’t get a dog and kick it out after whatever amount of dog years is 18 and say “good luck!”. Why is it okay for a human?
To men who are actively sleeping with women, or who want to, now is a great time to consider a vasectomy. It’s cheap and safe and greatly reduces the risk of undesirable outcomes.
I’ve got an even better one. Do something more interesting, go make friends. Sex is boring and just something evolution tries to force upon us. Well ofc it’ll work eventually but that’s not the point. 😂
Hey man you being asexual is cool and all but most people aren’t so can you not
Just remember that reversing the procedure is not a guarantee, should you think you will change your mind later. Other options are more flexible and also protect from things other than pregnancy, which are also undesirable outcomes.
Other options are more flexible and also protect from things other than pregnancy, which are also undesirable outcomes.
Are you talking about condoms? Because those aren’t nearly as effective. Hardly comparable to a vasectomy. I recommend everyone who wants to have sex with someone who could get pregnant to get a vaseceomy.
Women are better off without us.
The other side of this coin is having to be 100% self-dependent. If you want to do this, you better have a job that pays for your preferred life-style. And you better live in a country with a functional health-system that doesn’t immediately bunkrupt you if you fall ill and lose your job because of that.
This assumes women will still be able to work. A lot of men would prefer to go back to the 1950’s where women couldn’t do much but stay at home and have kids. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see voting rights being removed for certain people (namely women and minorities). At the very least, voting access will be severely limited. The point is to keep them in power while still giving the impression we’re a democracy. Kinda like how Russia does it and Putin happens to win every election by a huge amount (and all his opponents end up dead, kinda like what Teump has been threatened).
Hope for the best, expect the worse.
I wish I could say that people would riot before that happen, but these days I think that Americans will just take whatever the government does to them and at most will make some memes on the internet about how fucked up they were.
Back when roe V wade was overturned I still thought “this is gonna be the straw” but nope, nobody did anything at all, not even any minor protest.
America just doesn’t have any structure for fighting back. With just two parties and barely any relevant unions for anything, there’s nobody willing to organize anything to push back.
I am not really surprised. As long as people are not starving and they have any kind of recreational activities (social media, streaming, alcohol, drugs), they won’t do shit. The ancient romans already new about that. They gave the people “bread and circuses”.
The thing is, we have no straws. We’ll just bitch and moan about Roe and the school shooting du jour, but not much good comes out of it.
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(it’s odd that PBS is promoting this, as it is actually a terf movement)
terf
transgender-exclusionary radical feminism
From the article:
Young women don’t want to be intimate with men who don’t fight for women’s rights; it’s showing they don’t respect us.
The people complaining about intolerance are themselves intolerant.
I am VERY aware of the legitimacy of that argument. But the argument here is not to tolerate the intolerant, but to tolerate the people that actually support you.
You are arguing a straw man.
Not from the article, and yet quite relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement#Opposition_to_transgender_rights_movements
People keep posting this around but the changelog indicates that’s a super recent alteration… and probably bad faith.
Good, overpopulation is a problem anyway, people volunteering not to have children seems pretty helpful for that. Same with mgtow
Conservatives don’t want women to sleep around and have casual sex. So they make abortion illegal. In protest women stop having sex. Conservatives get exactly the outcome they wanted.
The Korean 4B movement is TERF on top.
conservative leadership want women to be popping out babies as fast as they can, without regards to their own well being. That is all the top cares about. The global population growth is slowing, many places, and demographics, have either plateaued, or are in decline. This is bad news for capitalism. Like it is fundamental that both the cheap labor underclass, and the consumer class, continue to expand.
While there is anti-sexual free expression talk in the movement, once you get into the inter-personal level, especially of the followers, they only want that freedom to be the choice of men. They want to fuck as many women as possible, they want women to fuck them at their demand, no matter the relationship status, without any plans to continue with that woman in the future. They want to both hit up tinder, or the bar, or whatever, see a woman, go up to them, and get casual sex from them, without being turned down, and the barefoot, and pregnant, home maker, wife, in the house.
The bottom line is, they want women to be anything they want, when they want, without resistance. They want to OWN them, own them all. They yearn for the years of a “surplus population”, withering in work houses, and the ability to own other people, for labor, for sex, for anything they want. If something they do does not violate the ethics of “I can, and will, exercise power, over others”, then they don’t see it as hypocrisy. Whatever morals, or ethics, they claim, mean nothing, unless their proclamations means to gain, and exercise, power over others.
TL;DR
They want people to be “cheap”.
Hard to have value when there is plenty to go around and you can just take what you want for free.
Except within the USA, declining population growth could be reversed immediately simply by returning to our pre-1924 immigration laws (i.e. the Ellis Island era) that between 1890 - 1924 allowed the USA to have some of the largest economic growth it ever has done. Yet “conservatives” (better termed “regressives” or “reactionaries”) these days want to do the exact opposite, out of xenophobia.
That solves the US, for a while. The population growth is slowing globally. When Immigrants arrive in countries who’s majority populations are in, or nearing, decline, their family size adjusts to the local average in a couple generations. Bottom line is that they need people to start making more babies, everywhere. Those at the top do not give a shit about expelling immigrants for real. Industrialists don’t care where their cheap labor comes from. However, they have entered a marriage with a highly xenophobic voter base to stay on top.
Just don’t date conservative men. First date, ask them their politics. It’s literally that simple.
You should really have a suite of questions to weed out partners you don’t want. This is what the first few dates are really for. Ask them their politics, if they voted, and who they voted for, their stance on abortion etc.
All you’re going to get with this is friendly fire. Conservatives generally do not prefer leftist women.
Men will lie, especially if they’re trying to get your clothes off. So a single question isn’t quite enough. Maybe a discussion about politics on relevant issues, for example.
Source: Pretty much every episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia (and, of course, real life)
As a man this is spot on. My old roommate “presented” as a neoliberal hippy with wood-bead bracelets, but would literally talk about how he wanted slaves so he didn’t have to work. Some men are literally closeted Republicans that know if they are honest they will be sexless
Get yourselves a socialist, ladies. Neoliberals are just spineless republicans
Neoliberals are just spineless republicans
love this. going to steal it and make it my new catchphrase.
First of all, you’ll be able to get their vibe from a political conversation unless they’re very well informed and very intelligent, which conservatives generally are not.
Second, if you’re forcing them to lie then it creates cognitive dissonance in their brain. So at the very least that can create genuine progress, as problematic as that may be.
When I was in high school decades ago, debate club went to a convention and one of the debate rounds was “women shouldn’t be allowed to vote”. My very good looking friend (male) argued that they shouldnt and he was so charming and confident that he got crazy crazy laid for the rest of the event. I think it helped that we all sort of understood it was not reality but a chance to do debate flourishes, but still. What the hell is that? Its almost as if the topic itself and womens’ resistence to it made him even more attractive.
He’s a minor republican operative now-- we dont talk.
Good looking people will attract women. They clearly didn’t think he was serious.
Maybe if you’re a liberal. Conservative liars can’t describe socialism either.
You’d be surprised.
They can’t keep up that sort of lie for too long without the mask slipping. So it’s a good idea to require a fair amount of together time before considering being intimate.
Especially the people who would be worth avoiding wouldn’t have the patience and feel very entitled, so they are less likely to stick around for an early dating period.
Personally right wing chicks are a no go for me so if you’re not openly atheistic (at least in spirit) and socially progressive and futurist and mega smart super nerd into PhD level autism I probably won’t even bother, it’ll never work. I’m also not looking for company so…
Part of 4B is to avoid pregnancy, especially in an environment that has banned abortions and restricted contraceptives (e.g. Project 2025).
There is this crazy thing called condoms
The failure rate may be considered unacceptably high for some people, hence 4B.
https://youtu.be/bpgDe88r-yc?si=6Py1YiCpzZ5fsHZF
Very small. The VAST majority of the time that condoms fail is when they’re improperly used. The amount of QA testing on them is enormous and very good.
Obviously for this reason you should buy a decent brand of condoms.
If you don’t want children, the risk is the same.
That’s how you do it.
Is there some underlying assertion here that woman enjoy sex less than dudes? Or that sex is some kind of favor to men on the part of women without mutual enjoyment? Not having sex with someone is pretty easy if that other person is a shitty person. Otherwise I think both genders enjoy genuine intimacy and physical contact by someone they enjoy being around.
It’s a reference to an old Greek comedy called Lysistrata from 411 B.C. The gag was, in order to end the Peloponnesian war (460 B.C.), women colluded to refuse sex until the men come to their senses and stop the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata
Sex strikes have been used more recently as well to end gang conflicts, wars, and other violence.
i think there is very real fear women have to take into account whenever considering getting involved with any man. you don’t really know if he is a shitty person until you have invested some time into him, and that has its own costs. the risk of getting impregnated, ditched, and stuck with the bill is just too big. these days… even more so. i think this is a very natural outcome in the face of the rampant misogyny (in the case of S Korea) or revocation of reproductive rights (USA)
It’s a protest of how in today’s society, even if sex has exactly the same pro’s, the cons fall much more heavily on women.
They don’t say it’s not without personal sacrifice.
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The 4B movement does have some issues with transphobia from what I’ve heard, so hopefully with more people joining, it’ll make it better.
I’m not aware of the history of this movement. Could you please provide some context? I want to push against reactionary undertones I might come across
First line describes it as gender critical… Then if you scroll down under the beliefs section is a section titled “Opposition to transgender rights movements”
I’m really hoping the American version of 4B stays far away from that.
As someone above mentioned, that line was added after october 30, so it’s questionable how true this is.
And America doesn’t have to adopt any transphobic parts of the movement anyway.
Ah yes, more rules.
I want more options to autonomously choose, not more rules. Also we already had this several times, sex-negative feminism, straight edge etc.
This is reactionary.
