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While I despise the reminder that reddit exists, I also appreciate the depth of information you’re communicating with this simple post.
That 1 comma didn’t really help in making sense.
One thing I’ve learned is that Kamela Harris needed to just play a PSA explaining why the hell a Tarrif is.
The issue is you can’t teach someone who not only doesn’t want to learn, they react in opposition to the idea of understanding anything outside of emotional reactions.
That’s where cult deprogramming comes into play. There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes. The rest of us need to do our part and educate, even if it doesn’t always have the impact we hope in the moment.
There are people who specialize in getting people out of that kind of mindset your argument describes.
We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?
The rest of us need to do our part and educate
I love your optimism. But it just won’t work. We now know the majority of Americans are ignorant and uninterested in learning, even from mistakes. You can present these people with facts and stats and infallible logic all day long and it won’t make a difference.
We gleefully voted in a convicted felon and rapist who ALREADY had a failed presidency and openly talked about being anti-union and anti-worker rights who stated on national television that he had the concept of plans.
The only direction this society is going is down.
We have enough of those people to do this for the majority of Americans?
Only one way to find out.
Pessimism may feel true, but just because something feels true doesn’t make it true.
No one knows the future. But if we don’t learn from out mistakes, it’s likely we will keep making them.
But if we don’t learn from out mistakes
We already haven’t.
it’s likely we will keep making them.
We already have.
It isn’t just that we failed a test. We failed the most obvious test we could have possibly been given. This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes. And we utterfly failed.
We already haven’t.
It’s a week since election day.
We already have.
It’s a week since election day.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.
It’s a week since election day.
You don’t understand. We ALREADY tried the Trump thing and it failed miserably. We aren’t even done living with the negative effects of that experience. We have one of the most poignant examples in history of what creeping fascism/authoritarianism can lead to. There are people still alive today that can tell us about it.
We don’t listen. We don’t learn.
This was the most blatant decision we’re ever likely to make as a society in our lifetimes so far.
We’re doubtful to ever experience a more black and white election than what we just experienced. And we still managed to fail.
I have a neighbor who voted for Trump. He relies on aspects of medicaid, to get insulin, that the GOP have directly targeted for removal from what it will cover. I told him this, he didn’t believe me. So I showed him it in writing from a GOP source. He said that Trump will find some way for people like him to get their insulin. They just want this particular way gone because it’s a bad method. I even pointed out that there was zero discussion of changing these policies, to make them more sensible, or anything like that, just an outline that they plan on stopping that coverage. He just doubled down that he won’t be abandoned, they aren’t just getting rid of the coverage, they are getting rid of THAT SPECIFIC WAY OF DOING IT because it is inefficient, or whatever.
If you explained that tariffs would hurt their income, and employment, in a way they understood, they would just assume there was something being cooked up to make sure that didn’t happen. Now that all the manufacturing companies, here, are demonstrating that there will be big losses of profit margin, and cutting compensation to workers, they are mad. However, I personally doubt they will stay mad, or mad enough, or that they won’t just end up blaming Joe Biden for it.
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Those protections are gone and a lot of people are going to suffer and die because of it.
Yup. We gave all the keys to the kingdom to the crazies and we’re about to find out how bad of a choice that was.
And honestly, I couldn’t care less how much Americans suffer now. That part of me is gone. We asked for it and now we’re going to get it. Time to learn the hard way. Not that we’re going to learn.
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I used to. Now I realize what’s coming is inevitable.
I applaud your optimism and support you in what I believe is a worthwhile, but ultimately futile endeavor. Good luck.
I don’t understand humans, they keep putting their hands on the stove and making fun of people who don’t do that, all while wondering why their hands hurt.
It doesn’t matter how much conservatives suffer from conservative policy. They will ALWAYS find someone to blame but themselves. Hell, there are parts of our country that feel like 3rd world countries when you drive through them that have been voting Republican exclusively for generations and they still don’t understand why their lives suck so much.
There are parts of the country who’s poverty level, and access to utilities, medical care, etc., literally is third world. Northern WV has a lot of that, for instances. There are whole towns without plumbing, paved roads, electricity, etc. People living in shacks, no education, no reasonable way to leave.
Yup.
You’d think suffering would lead people to vote more responsibly. But I guess it has the opposite effect. I guess maybe their lives are such shit that what’s coming isn’t going to make their lives much worse. But it certainly won’t make them better.
Wouldn’t have helped. Learning isn’t what Americans do. Americans like finding things to be mad about and then making decisions based on their emotional responses.
Can’t fix stupid without massively improving the public education system, and stupid Americans just elected the guys that ran on deconstructing the public education system.
We’re done.
Your first paragraph isn’t even an exaggeration. The worst part for me about being around conservative relatives and acquaintances is the negativity. They are addicted to anger and outrage and jealousy. They are always complaining about something or talking about things that other people have or how much money they make.
Yup.
I’ve never met a conservative that argued in good faith, had actual solutions to problems, or had their priorities straight.
It’s all about hate and fear. All about making up imaginary scenarios to be mad about to justify persecuting others.
And now their dream team is in total control. There’s literally no future under these circumstances that ends well.
We’re in for a long period of decline and it’s going to be rough. Especially on the younger crowd. But hey, they helped give this election to Republicans, so now they get to reap what they sow.
People wouldn’t listen, because they’ve been pre-programmed to believe Harris is a liar.
What’s more, Harris wouldn’t say this, because it would require her to take a position favorable to global trade, a thing her target voter base hates.
Pandering to conservatives wasn’t going to win her the election because she changed her rhetoric.
God, if only it was that easy.
These people will willfully forget the lesson within a day so they can go back to bootlicking.
That’s a generous timeline.
Yeah, usually they only feign dull surprise for the duration of the conversation.
I’ll suffer more, but I can take more of a financial hit. Really I’m getting the political equivalent to a groin shot. It’s not fair, it’s not cool, and it should be off limits. I should get to be comfortable keeping my assets stateside.
Sounds like this person’s neighbor is a “Good Christian.”
I sincerely doubt most of these stories are actually happening. It’s true. But I doubt the actual interaction occurred. Seeing this same story different ways all over the internet. I live in a region surrounded by right wingers and aside from those flags and occasional hats, I hardly ever hear anyone outright talk about their politics.
Yeah, it’s the “the train stood up and clapped” bullshit that people post on their socials.
If these people knew anything about history they’d know about President Hoover raising tariffs, which prompted every country we traded with to do the same, making everything more expensive and worsening the Great Depression. The thing is, for all the podcasts and 24-Hour news voters in this country consume, they don’t know jack shit other than to pull the lever for whichever candidate their preferred news network tells them to.
ironically Trump’s greatest fear is becoming hoover yet his favorite word is tariff
unstoppable force, meet unmovable wall
Please, he doesn’t know who Hoover is. He thinks that’s the vacuum entrepreneur that became president President then went on to run the cia…
I’m shocked. Not only does he know anything about early 20th century American politics and economics, but also apparently the my pillow lunatic has a media channel
And yeah, I suspect that there will be a crash in the next 12-18 months. The economy is fragile but recovering and he’s looking to do massive changes that aren’t well received by experts. He will probably drive us into a depression.
Not so much worsening the great depression as triggering it.
Just statistically they have to happen. There are millions of democrats with maga neighbors that cant shut up about shit but dont actually know what they are talking about. Whether these stories happen to the people that post about them is a different question.
There are millions of democrats with maga neighbors
Democrats be like:
🔴Cut out MAGAzis from their life.
🔴Treat MAGAzis cordially to find out how fucked they are going to be.
Believe it or not, any sufficiently large group of people will have people who behave differently within it
Considering Democrats lost ground with every single voting demographic, it would seem to me that they’re going to have to quit being so smug and actually get on people’s level, if only by necessity.
“I put a fascist in power because people pointed out my ignorance, and I don’t want to change that.”
-Typical 3x trump voter-
You’re wrong.
And that’s why Dems lost the election.
Look at Missouri, where we voted down an abortion ban in a landslide, passed a $15 minimum wage in a landslide, and still went fully red. These aren’t bad people. They’re people that are sick of being told to be joyful when they’re working 2-3 jobs for the privilege of barely surviving in America, and it’s happening under Democrats.
“I put a fascist in power because mcdonals tripled the price on a quarter pounder combo”
-Typical 3x trump voter apologist-
I’m not an apologist.
Just pointing out simple facts, and I’d think after this last election a reasonable person would get that repeating memes isn’t terribly convincing.
Find out their weaknesses for when the purge hits.
Bullets. Like most people, they are weak to bullets.
Taken from a 196 post i saw earlier
The fascists have found surprising success in choosing to make their suicides everyone’s problem. I’m not telling people to kill themselves, don’t, life is worth living even now, survival is a radical act, etc, but it is food for thought and a thing to contemplate why we let happen
I literally had a very similar experience yesterday at a bar. (See my other post.) It definitely happens.
I have a friend who has had success with pointing out that gutting social welfare systems means they won’t get a check anymore.
But, those people were willing to have an actual conversation about it.
I actually believe it because it’s exactly what happened in brexit. Conservatives voted to leave and then they found out what that meant.
Conservatives were so focused on winning that they didn’t bother to actually look into Trump’s “policies” and are now Pikachu faced when understanding it.
These are the same assholes that are going to completely forget two years from now that Trump raised prices and will still vote Republican in the midterms.
That’s a succinct way to put it. It’s definitely hilarious watching them bleed from their own hubris, though.
Times like these when being a petard salesperson really pays off.
For this to be true, a MAGA diehard would have to have listened to an explanation of what a tariff is from a left leaning person they are trying to taunt, understood the explanation, and believed the explanation that left leaning person gave them that disagrees with what Trump has said.
I have no doubt many MAGA types could understand the explanation, but when in gloat mode, I seriously doubt much listening would happen. Even if they did listen, the chances of them believing that explanation over Trump’s seem low to me.
As an European: The Brexiteers who “suddenly” were excluded from free travel and prolonged stays within EU due to their own voting gave a stream of similar stories. It was and is hilarious to watch.
I do believe that such dialogues are really happening and will continue to happen in the US around the clock from now on.
I particularly love the stories where they owned real estate or villas and they’re like “this doesn’t apply to meeeeee, right?!”
Narrator “It did in fact, apply to them.”
Its like, what kinda moron asshole doesn’t even hire or ask a lawyer to give them actual legal advice about this shit?
Nothing a liberal likes more than telling the world how much smarter he is than the guy next door.
If you vote for a party that’s historically better for the economy and doesn’t run convicted felons and rapists who illegally attempted to overturn an election, you are 100% smarter than the guy next door and you shouldn’t have to pretend that you’re not to appease them.
It’s not your neighbor’s fault you’re an idiot.
Still focusing on identity politics instead of the actual ramifications of a choice based upon them, eh?
They did admit liberals are smarter, so there’s that.
Sure, but it’s a low bar isn’t is it ? I mean, you’re smarter than a turnip but I don’t think you should boast about it, because a great many people are even smarter right ?
You’re getting downvoted to hell, but it’s true.
The total lack of empathy and unchecked arrogance on the part of Democrats helps explain why they lost the election.
Idiots don’t understand how difficult it is to be smart and not come across as arrogant to idiots who don’t realize how stupid they are.
You being upset about it is like me being upset with your ignorance. I am smart enough to know it doesn’t help, you on the other hand do not. It’s one of a thousand ways I’m smarter than you.
Well, thinking isn’t for everyone I guess.
Joking aside, the vitriol is quite something, even though I held back from suggesting all they had to do was have the same conversation with the neighbour, before the election.
We’re very sorry we weren’t nicer to the proudly ignorant and morally devoid.
Go for it.
Double down on this attitude.
But don’t complain when it works against you.
Literally doesn’t matter now.
My attitude doesn’t make ignorant people less ignorant. Those people are going to be ignorant no matter what I say or do. That’s the nature of ignorance.
I suppose it was too much to expect Democrats to possess any measure of empathy, even if it serves their own self-interest.
Why is it on Democrats to treat proudly ignorant, deplorable people with respect?
Why are Democrats held to higher standards?
It’s like the five stages of grief but with not knowing what the consequences of voting against your interests are.
1 - Gloating
2 - Hubris
3 - Denial
4 - Doubt
5 - Leopards ate my face
After seeing the characters the clown-elect is picking for his circus, I already see stages 2, 3 and 4, with some dim stragglers still at 1.
While guns, which are manufactured in the US will stay the same price…coffee and chocolate will go up a lot.
So there are going to be some edgy people with access to firearms.
Stay safe next year.
Variable on guns.
Mine is a Walther. Walther guns are manufactured in Ulm, Germany.
Sig Sauer manufactures here, but imports components.
Beretta has a Tennessee facility for the American market. They import some of their components.
I’m not looking up everything, limiting it to solid 9mm handgun producers.
Google is also telling me the metal used for guns is a mix of imported and domestic. So yes, it looks like gun prices will go up with tariffs.
Supply may be an issue for all of the above if the American manufacturers stop importing components and metal.
Not so sure about the prices of firearms and ammunition remaining stable. Under Mango Mussolini, the fucknut MAGATs went into full panick buying mode and demand flew past supply resulting in price increases across the board.
How many gun manufacturers are actually based in the US? I’m fairly sure it’s like 2. Sig and Smith & Wesson… most firearms are imported. Including Springfield, which used to be a US manufacturer.Never mind, it’s still a fair number. Lots are imported though and you’re paying a lot more for a lot of US brands.
Even if they’re assembled in the US, do those US brands have entirely domestic supply chains? If they need to import raw materials for manufacturing their products, I doubt many CEOs are just going to take the loss on margin in the name of patriotism.
“So, are you going to pay out of pocket for college now?”
“No, I’m getting student loans.”
“Do you know what department in the federal government does student loans? The department of education, which Trump is going to get rid of.”
“Damn it!”
They’re not at the damn it phase yet. They’re still at the trigger the libs phase.
What are all the stages of Leopards ate my face?
Not sure, but I guarantee the final one isn’t acceptance.
They’ll just say the loans should be privatized. Because it turned out great last time we gave private companies free reign to swindle vulnerable populations into signing massive loans for societal necessities.
“It won’t happen. And if it does, it’s the Democrats’ fault.”
Yeah, that’s one of the new narratives. “Trump won’t be that bad. He lies all the time.”
absolutely not buying corporate garbage made in this country anymore. I’ll fucking import a kei truck, I don’t care.
I want a Honda Stepwagon or Toyota Hiace.
Yeah we’re stocking up on everything we can now, so we can tighten our belts and hopefully save some money over the next few years, but also not directly give the oligarchs any more of our money. I’ve been researching local and woman owned businesses that I’d like to support for the necessities, and thankfully our grocery store is a local chain. I have a friend who is offering to make basic clothing, including underwear, in exchange for childcare, eggs, and produce. People around here are going to get creative and it’s actually giving me some hope that things won’t be as bad as we think.
Out of curiosity, what things are you stocking up on?
It’s a long list but here’s a comment I shared in another thread that might give you an idea: https://lemmy.world/comment/13394779
If you want our actual list just let me know and I can message you this evening. But it’s 2 handwritten pages 😬
Great list to start and points me in the right direction. We have two toddler and a new baby who came 10 weeks early so he’s in the nicu. Trying to get things for them as well as us and our two dogs. Good to know, thanks for the info
Here bro, for your next tweet: . . . . . . . .
Spend them wisely
Okey, I get it now. That was funny, it just took reading the other comments first.
Well the part about the neighbors not how tariffs work is believable. I have lost count of how many people just think china had to send us money directly to us.
And it’s been part of the conversation for the better party of a decade. There’s zero excuse for the level of ignorance of some people.
Being flooded with an unending tide of conflicting and emotionally draining information and/or misinformation will do that to someone.
Information overload will either make you withdraw entirely or retreat to your favourite echo chamber.
Yeah, but it’s seemingly what donvict believes about tariffs. Also, donvict seems to think that “trade deficit” means China owes us something.
No way… Right?
Can we stop with these “and then everyone clapped stories” it’s just as bad as the fake trans stories conservatives made up to make themselves angry.
Oh jeez, even if it isn’t true, “It’s okay, I’ll be able to afford the price increase no matter what. Best of luck to you though.” is the best possible response to anyone convinced that tariffs are a good idea.
Just agree with them and say “I don’t mind paying 2, 3, even 4 times as much for groceries and other household items if it teaches China a lesson. Elon said we were going to need to make sacrifices to do this.”
Make sacrifices AND learn to endure some hardship under Trump.
