Summary
Donald Trump’s 2024 campaign has reignited fears among undocumented migrants with promises of “mass deportations” and migrant communities are bracing for uncertainty and a new wave of nativism.
His administration plans to target those deemed public safety or national security threats, potentially reinstating workplace raids and using military resources.
Advocates warn that “collateral arrests” could sweep up migrants without criminal records.
Many, like “Dreamers” protected under DACA, fear family separations, while others, such as Carlos in NYC, hope Trump’s economic policies might benefit them.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
you all understand this is about racism, right? this is a giant dog whistle for rounding up non-white people and getting them the fuck out of their white nationalist dream.
its not about crime, or which immigrants are good or bad. its about kicking out the brown peoples. its easy to manipulate racist voters. they are all ignorant cowards.
I live in a very white area and I’m not white. I’m telling people close to me I’m in fight or flight constantly. They tell me states or the supreme Court (wtf) will block trump, or I’m not an immigrant so I don’t have to worry, or I’m somehow safer being surrounded by white people even though I stick out like a sore thumb. They feel safe and have bullshit hope and belief and can somehow forget how entirely subjugated black people have been through the entire hisory of America. I’m so fucking tired I don’t even care some days. Can’t wait to be asked what I’m thankful for this holiday.
All those Muslim folks who voted for Trump to “punish” Harris are in for a rude awakening. This isn’t only about Hispanics.
I doubt there are a lot of illegal Muslims. Most “illegal” immigrants are from border countries.
Deporting our DACA immigrants would be really bad for the economy, talk about brain drain and also illegal immigrant workers who contribute more to the economy than they extract.
The leopards will be eating their own faces. I would need to look up numbers but fairly certain more republicans use illegal immigrant labor than democrats.
Also, the spite and told you so banter is kind of offensive. “My candidate lost so now you have to suffer the consequences,” it’s very childish and not very thoughtful or helpful.
Legal or illegal matters very little. During Operations Wetback 1 and 2, American citizens were rounded up as well as the illegal immigrants/foreign workers and deported to Mexico for “looking too Mexican,” and I’ve heard of at least one or two border towns that have done the same thing in the past 10 years (and crashed their economies doing it). I don’t expect Wetback 3 to go any differently other than probably targeting more minority communities besides Latinos.
And what do you expect people to do other than make exasperated “I told you this would happen” comments? It’s not like making comments on Lemmy will do anything when the dictator hasn’t even entered office yet and the only thing we can generally do anyways is whine to those in office to actually do something. There’s donating to various groups put in place to help minority communities, but that also has nothing to do with commenting on Lemmy.
We can acknowledge that Harris and the DNC really botched this election and discuss ways to makes changes going forward instead of pointing fingers at voters we want to vote on our side.
But I do hear you. It’s funny how serious we take ourselves here, armchair politicians who have all the solutions. It’s important to remember that it’s ok for us to be wrong about some things and laugh at ourselves. And to take a deep breath, and work towards solutions instead of berating people and pointing fingers. Point to Harris and the DNC. They lost this election and did everything in their power to do so.
They absolutely did. I saw somebody say how the demographic of the Democratic Party has fundamentally changed, and I think there’s some real truth to that.
This should’ve been an easy win, but the DNC didn’t campaign on the things that voters are worried about. They seem completely out of touch with their own base.
Citizens United
Dems have forgotten that their base has different opinions than their donors.
Republicans never cared.
i think there’s so much discourse about this since Latin men voted, on the whole, for trump. there is a non zero number of people who, if trump implements his border control plan, voted for their own deportation
also, white people dont own a monopoly on racism. some of the most racist people i know are also ‘legal’ immigrants of a minority population.
no one hates immigrants more than an immigrant who made it
i’ve heard that quote a few times. but i think it’s on the whole sadder:
no one hates the poor more than a poor person who thinks they made it
This is so true. I heard sooo many times from Latinos where I work after the first Trump election that they voted pro-Trump. The ones who are here who have managed to get citizenship look down on the ones who don’t have it. It’s like a flip of light switch.
20 years ago I read an article in the Atlantic or New Yorker or salon or something good and it was a Japanese American author talking about going home over Thanksgiving and how her family and relatives were super gung-ho about the, then new, anti-arab, thinly veiled “anti-terrorist” initiatives that Shrub’s administration was ratcheting up after successfully getting the left to support The Patriot Act, which enshrined surveillance at a level that had never been tried before.
Anyway, the author then revealed that her grandmother had been sent to Internment camps in the 1940s in the US and her dad had been born there.
TLDR;racism overrides all rationality. If Japanese Americans who were interned as villains during WWII 100% due to pure racism can’t understand that scapegoating a minority group only leads to bad things, then the broader public has no hope.
Definitely the Republican mindset. I got mine, fuck everyone else!
Please stop spreading misinformation.
A supermajority of Latino voters voted for Kamala, including a majority of Latino men specifically.
The only groups that supported Trump with a majority are white people.
White people are the problem, not Hispanic and black voters.
didn’t mean to spread any misinformation. i still see in what you’ve sent me that latin men lag behind latin women by a significant margin voting about evenly between trump and harris
Yes majority was higher among women significantly.
More Latinos voted for Trump than in past elections.
I just keep seeing democrats trying to blame Latinos and blacks for their bad campaign.
Hope you’re having a good weekend 👍
thanks. you too. i see the failures as being mostly relating to misunderestimating the power of the right wing propaganda machine, even as the world over has gotten more authoritarian
The crazy thing about accusing Latinos of being sexist or racist is that Mexico currently has a female progressive president who is closer to Bernie than any other US politicians.
Trump was speaking to the economy, the thing that was highest priority for these voters. He may be lying his ass off, but he was talking about it. Meanwhile, Harris was talking about how happy she was to be supported by her 80 corporate CEO’s and going on and on about it being so exciting to have Dick and Liz Cheney’s support.
When Walz came into her campaign her lead skyrocketed, but then Kamala pivoted to the right, while Trump continued to talk about the economy. Bad move on her part.
Smokers hope cancer reaches only ‘bad people’
Do they not realize that he and his core audience believe the greatest crime a person can commit is not be born white?
I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump. You have nothing but my deepest sincere disgust and deserve whatever happens to you.
I sincerely wish the absolute worst on any marginalized group that voted for Trump.
Are white people exempt from that or why did you choose that wording?
I chose that wording because Trump is a massive racist and yet all these minority groups he’s openly shit on still voted for him and they can get fucked.
Because yeah Mr. “Build the wall” is totally gonna have your back.
Oh and everybody fucking clapped. Get over yourself because while you do whatever the fuck this is, real ones are out there building solidarity and dual power. Snap out of your neoliberal yesteryear and into the reality that what matters now is a.) channels/orgs for mutual aid b) Solidarity Economies (aka folks having a foothold in their local economies and c) Encouraging anti-authoritarian parenting methods.
We are in this mess because we want that EZ fix. Just vote against (obtuse, christo-)fascism so you can go back to bed for 4-8 years (while magrinalized folks get to suffer) – Instead of looking at the big picture.
You know who looked at the big picture and built (astroturfed anyway) grassroots? All these right wing ghouls.
Im not gonna rewrite this for every clown at the top of every thread playing the blame game.
Get involved. Engage prefigurative politics. Identify the root causes and move on to the solutions.
Or keep yelling at scarecrows you imagine. Just dont be surprised if that turns you into someone people dont want to be around.
This is the response I didn’t have the mental energy to write. Thank you.
Heh, ty dor saying so. I got sick of seeing it.
Can you just rewrite it for us here now because it doesn’t make any fucking sense? I dont agree with the guy you’re replying to, but I can’t understand wtf you’re trying to say. It reads like it was written by a stroke victim.
Solidarity? Really? Where was the solidarity when the choice was an obvious fascist or literally anything else? Zero fuckin sympathy for the people that voted for the man who openly said he was gonna make their lives harder. The man who openly said he’s gonna deport as many people as he can. The man who’s openly been a steaming pile of shit since his first fuckin presidential run.
They voted to fuck themselves over and I’m supposed to help them? Lay in the bed of shit you made and fuck right the fuck off.
Where was the solidarity when the choice was an obvious fascist or literally anything else?
Im not being condescending here:
In every city.
It even happens to exist outside of cities!
You can find mutual aid groups wherever you are. If you’re asking, you need to engage beyond the bare-minimum of electoralism.
Here’s a short vid from like past 48? hours about finding yours:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZjj0NGIaY
Now go re-read and find me where I’m telling you to go cozy up to a maga-hat of any life-experience at all, and strike up solidarity with them.
No. Quit with the doom obsession. It is a distraction so as to avoid doing something more meaningful about the root causes.
To quote a friend: (speaking on such quislings)
many people will unfortunately need to learn this the hard way it seems at the expense of those who take the time to see the writing on the wall those ignorant to their exploitation will seldom listen to those who try to tell them how horribly theyre being fucked “if it were really so bad id notice” theyll say “this isnt so bad” theyll say, standing on the peak of the mountain that is dunning-kruger unknowing all we can do is wait, and watch to find out what what it is that throws them into the valley of unfathomable uncertainty in the meantime we must work for each other, for those who do see how good things could be. maybe then, our greener grass will coax them into giving us a fair listen
So, I repeat: Quit with this dopamine loop. You feel so strongly? Then go be about it.
Since you are so much against voting I have good news for you: You wont have to ever vote again now! There wont be free elections in america again after all
Ooh ooh i have something for this!
Right so, certainly a topic worth caring about. “So much against voting” is a simplifcation. Kinda gross one, one could even say
https://crimethinc.com/2016/04/29/feature-from-democracy-to-freedom
But you dont have all that time for giving a fuck about the way representive modern neoliberal democracies fall short, so let’s leave it at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7KUhBxpD14
If you spend the next 2 or 4 years building the expectation that their wont be an election, you are doing their work for them
So, whats yr deal? Are you here manufacturing consent on bebalf of fascists, or are you going to build Muatalism style in your physical proximity. Riding the fence doesnt make sense. ✨️
God, you people really can’t live without a boogeyman or a scapegoat. Y’all disgust me.
It’s not a scapegoat. I expected white people to vote for him. Minorities voting republican can always get fucked. If you’re part of the problem you’re equally to blame, but if you’re dumb enough to vote against yourself you’re a special kind of stupid.
Wouldnt people who voted for someone who hates them just be misinformed?
I sincerely hope you’re never in a position of authority.
Sorry I have no sympathy for those that vote against their self interests.
I’m not gonna feel sorry for the guy that willingly cut off his nose to spite his face.
Sorry I have no sympathy for those that vote against their self interests.
So you don’t have sympathy for >99% of the American voters.
No, just the 1% who threw their vote away.
At this point I don’t have sympathy for 99% of humanity let alone Americans. History has shown me we’ll make the wrong choice almost every single time and at this point I just want humanity to die out and quit poisoning the world.
Profile pic checks out.
Tried twice. Decided I’d stick around to see what kinda shitshow would form. Not surprised in the slightest that we’ve once again taken 10 steps backward.
Congratulations on discarding your humanity and becoming a fascist. “Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds”.
They will grab anyone they can get their hands on. Criminals will have the advantage that they know how to hide, and there are way more non-criminals, so Jose Average will be picked first, being the easiest target to fulfill the quota.
“A lot of Latinos, those who can vote, did so because they think he [Trump] can improve the economy. That would be very good for us too,” said Carlos, an undocumented Mexican who lives in New York City.
Oh Carlos, mi dulce niño del verano …
imagine being that gullible
Carlos, for the 2570th time, you are free to go chico! Thanks for only being an immigrant and not a criminal immigrant. Our criminal tags are pretty good and you don’t have any. See you tomorrow before work again? 😊 You too man! 😀 Oh what an inspiration of a person!
He will have a rude awakening, more like the law being rammed on his anus along with an one way ticket
Bender laugh.jxl
Thinking that undocumented (inherently illegals) will be spared to continue providing cheap labour, ignores the impending AI revolution impact. Millions of jobs will be lost. The menial jobs currently being done by undocumented labour, will soon be done by legal citizens who have lost their jobs to AI. The Ministry of DOGE coin apparatus will soon be in place to implement this at national scale. The leopards are going to eat the faces of 99% of us.
This is what I believe. Those that can’t find work or are replaced by AI get to work the fields or they are a drain on society and jailed, camped, deported, or just executed. You might get a chance to serve the military too - maybe even demanded!
By definition, if you are an illegal immigrant, you are a criminal.
I get that TikTok, YT Shorts, and FaceBook slowly removes attention span, but how the fuck does it cause Amnesia for everything that happened before 2020?
Trump literally removed holding time limitations and changed the Criminal Only ICE focus of previous administrations so they could put women and children in cages deport children alone to random South American nations citing some ancient treaties.
This already fucking happened. All of it.
Lots of people still thought Trump was running against Biden when they cast their vote.
At this rate, I suspect that a good number also thought Obama was still in office.
don’t know about this far off, but I witnessed some people blame obama when biden was first in office.
Thanks, Obama…
Tbf Kamala did nothing to distance herself from Biden policy wise.
I agree, she did poorly
I’m honestly terrified as a naturalized citizen that he’s going to either try to revoke my citizenship or ignore it altogether :/
Birthright citizenship is on the chopping block
If they’re allowed to carry out their plans in full, will there even BE any path to citizenship?
Depends - are you white, rich, male, speak English and at least a touch racist yourself?
If not - na, probably not.
I’m doing my part!
How willing to work the fields are you? Not? Then you are deported!
“If you’re here illegally, you better be looking over your shoulder.”
They’ve also mentioned along the lines of “if you are here illegally, then you’ve already committed a crime”.
“If you’ve downloaded a car, then you’ve already committed a crime.”
The fun part is, it’s not actually a crime. That’s why they use immigration judges and not criminal ones.
What part of “mass deportations” do people not understand? Trump told us what he’s going to do. His cabinet pick told us what he’s going to do. They’re going to do it.
Yeah, but all they heard were campaign ads. And what little news they did hear either is actually propaganda that came from Fox News or their local news that’s actually part of Sinclair.
That combined with the shenanigans of social media the last few years, yep, low information voters only wind up hearing the lies they were meant to hear.
“The system is running as intended! Huzzah!”
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That would be right in line with their normal behavior. Seeing how many children they kidnapped in the previous Trump administration.
