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Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts
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Sorry but I don’t really care about discord news on Linux…
Right on! People should only share news articles that pertain to my interests.
Discord is related to linux as much as the facebook app is.
It’s related because it’s news about discord changing something related to linux
Well, except perhaps for the fact that Discord has a Linux version, while the Facebook App doesn’t.
And—clearly!—it seems rather popular as well.
I reply here :
I do
I encourage you to switch to better interests
Okay, great, now convince 30+ other people I chat with on the service
Yes I know it sucks and will just keep on enshittifying, but it’s not so much as it being a replaceable social media for me, as it is a primary way for me to keep in contact with partners, friends, finding out about and participating in arrangements, and meeting new people in my local area. Stopping using discord is effectively cutting myself off from the local communities
Everyone in my social circle uses it, and will keep on using it. Maybe once some breaking point is reached due to ever increasing enshittification people will start being interested in alternatives, but we’re far from that point still
Show them the link and encourage them to move to better platforms
Show them the link and encourage them to move to better platforms
I can’t even get them to use mastodon or Lemmy, they’re not gonna go to an alternative discord
Discord is not as good and accessible as you may think. Most matrix homeservers aren’t going to ask you for phone verification, some don’t even require a mail. You can always join yourself and find other friends there.
and matrix doesnt have a functional voice call across clients atm
Me too, yet we click and decided to reply.^^
I’m happy for others, plus it makes life easier for those who expect a working Discord like on Windows.
Absolutely okay but we shouldn’t be specially happy of discord being well integrated in Linux. The only good point is that it helps to grow the reach of Linux to mainstream users
Ah yes, the old “I care so little that I had to tell you”.
anyone get this to work on steam deck? hasn’t worked for me yet.
The version on flathub (what the steam deck uses for it’s app store) has not been updated to support this quite yet.
Yhab
Looks like I’m checking daily if it’s on the steam deck yet…
If you don’t want to wait you can get the binary from discord.com/download.
or wait t’ill the most recent version here is 0.0.79 or higher
Did they also finally fix the AFK detection on Wayland?
I’m not sure if this is actually possible - as far as I know, applications can’t track key presses/mouse movement when their associated window isn’t in focus. It’d be great if they just gave the option to disable the AFK detection since it doesn’t work…
What happens now in afk detection? I never noticed it.
Haven’t used it in a while but from what I remember it always puts you in idle if you do something else and only back to online if you do something in Discord itself, as expected from the Wayland limitation.
It could be implemented with the ext-idle-notify-v1 protocol.
In my case it refused to ever mark me as idle, which meant I never got any notifications on mobile…
Works fine with a plugin, so clearly it can’t be that hard.
Ah, I thought this was in regards to AFK tracking when discord isn’t focused (which this plugin still won’t fix due to the mentioned Wayland restrictions) - I didn’t realize that it still didn’t work even when discord was focused, which is strange.
I’ve been using Vesktop since screen share wasn’t working on Wayland, and it already seems to do what this plugin does hence my confusion.
And yes, vesktop did it first, but discord’s version is quite a bit more polished
Vesktop still allows you to choose a single audio output, Discord’s implementation seems to share system audio of all running apps, and doesn’t let you choose the specific application.
As far as I’m aware, Vesktop also allows you to share at 60fps, not just at 720, but up to 1440 at no charge. Can’t wait for Vesktop to continue being ahead of the curve
Can confirm! I screen share all the tile and I take advantage of this. Love Vesktop ✨
Wait how? Does it only share with other vesktop users?
I think the discord server they’re in might be nitro boosted to allow all users to share at higher resolutions and frame rates. I think the perk affects all users whether they have Nitro or not.
Nope, any discord lobby afaik
Finally I can go back to having people at 200% 😍
I like their UX, the button doesn’t say “Share screen” but “Make Selection”. On Element my dad every time has such a hard time to share the screen because even though he did it already a hundred times, he presses the share screen button and then waits, without choosing which window or screen to share.
you first click the “share screen” button, then it asks if you want to share a device, screen or window, then it shows you that screen, that summons a permission prompt tailored to what you selected recently.
I agree it’s quite nice
Oh sweet jesus, it’s finally happening! Huzzah! Rejoice!
Does that works for Wayland or X? or both?
Quite nice feature indeed.both, i mentioned that in the body text
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You didn’t mention it works for both, just Wayland. Good to know it works on X, as well.
I mentioned the audio and wayland was fixed, x already worked
Oh my god, it’s happening!
Oh my fuck, finally. Good lord Discord, only took you eons to get that working with Wayland after you broke it.
I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.
I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.
There’s plenty of free alternatives that works much better than discord
Not if I want calling, video chat, screen sharing and role based chat rooms all in the same place. I’ve explored this, but it just isn’t feature complete enough at the moment. I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user and Matrix just doesn’t manage it.
Calls and video chats works just fine in matrix and client like element allow you to integrate other services if you don’t like the default ones.
I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user
You sound a lot like someone who use windows. We are on a linux sub.
I am a Linux user. Bizarre assumption to make given my excitement over a Wayland specific Discord feature. But I don’t have any actual qualms with how Discord implements its own services. Matrix just doesn’t fit the bill for me. If you enjoy it, and it suits your needs then all the power to you. It just isn’t what works for me.
Matrix does not have the features of Discord. It’s far closer to a Telegram alternative. It doesn’t even have voice channels, a very basic requirement for a Discord alternative.
Matrix doesn’t?
Finally
What about audio sharing?
also works, although it says audio “may not work in certain instances”
Awesome!
Audio sharing works, but appears to not allow selection of a specific audio stream, when I tested it just then it appears to share system audio. Vesktop still allows you to choose a specific stream. Still, this is a huge improvement over not working at all, and the “Entire Desktop” (3 screens) works, as well as “select region” sharing!
For me audio sharing doesnt work at all haha
If you’re using Pipewire, have you checked if you can re-route the audio sink using qpwgraph?
Yes.
I was almost convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.
It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken. With steam working so well on Linux now, broken discord streaming without actual working audio share was one of the last things that posed a hurdle for gamers ditching Windows.
(In the meantime, thank you Vesktop for your service <3)
I like how Vesktop updates in the background. Discord proper has to close, download the .deb, install, and relaunch.
It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken.
Tech companies are fully capable of being lazy for free. Fixing this takes dev time from other work that brings Discord money so doing this costs them, especially considering that Linux userbase must be rather tiny. 99% of software companies don’t give a shit about making quality product and will always try their hardest to do as little work as possible while making as much money as possible. If fixing a bug will cost them more than potential profits from making it work then they won’t fix it.
You’re right of course, it’s definitely down to simple lack of incentive, rather than some kind of conspiracy. But the conspiracy was a fun shower thought! :)
It was 100% because the existing Electron version they were using was ancient, a giant pain in the ass to update, and represents exactly zero revenue for them so they hadn’t bothered putting anyone on fixing it. Every tech company has the ticking time bomb in the corner like that.
Screen sharing infrastructure (for Wayland) in Linux was still in development recently. Maybe they just wanted to be able to use newer APIs?
The screen casting portal is 6 years old. 6 years is not recent…
Just being supported as a protocol doesn’t mean everything is done. Chromium probably didn’t have it until years after that, and operating systems may not have implemented it umtil more recently.
Chromium had it for qhite a while, but it isn’t really relevant… Discord’s implementation of screen sharing was custom on X11, if they had used the one that comes with Electron, this would’ve worked far earlier.
operating systems may not have implemented it umtil more recently
DEs that had a Wayland session (aka Gnome and Plasma) supported it very soon after the portal was made.
The real reason won’t be anything external, but something in the company. Usually it’s just that Linux isn’t a priority for a given company, so even if there’s a motivated engineer that wants to take care of it, it’s hard justifying to their managers why they need to spend a lot of time on it.
This isn’t exclusive to Discord, to use a very similar example, Zoom is kinda worse. In the past, Zoom misused a Gnome screenshot API to do screen casting very badly, and recently they ported to the desktop portal - not because they had a choice, but because Gnome locked down the API they were using. Screen casting still only works on Gnome though, because they still check for the desktop name. If you set it to Gnome, it works perfectly fine everywhere else too!
All it would take to fix that problem is removing an if statement, yet, despite many complaints, it hasn’t happened… because no big customer has complained, so it’s just one of the unimportant Linux bugs.
Thanks for the additional info.
I saw something from a discord dev (can’t find it, so grain of salt) about how there was interest recently to do it, but they’d have to work on other stuff that affected everyone first, and they’d probably get it done by q4 2024, guess they were right.
I think before then the whole linux graphics and audio space hadn’t really stabilized enough for them to be interested.
convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.
Heh. There’s a ticket with Splunk. It’s a simple request: do the 30 sec of work to let us install your software rpm from a proper yum repo.
They can’t figure out how.
They won’t ask.
It’s 12 years old now.
The ticket for them to do a trivial exercise with tools twice as old, is now a tween. It can ride the bus on its own. I think it can get a Facebook account. Maybe.
We should get one for it.
It was the same with Zoom but AFAIK they’re finally working on it now.
who in their sane mind uses zoom on their private device. holy molly
I’m using it on my work PC, since it’s what we use for meetings.
The Zoom flatpak works fine. Haven’t tried native.
I had weird issues with the Flatpak (can’t remember what they were) but the native RPM worked fine. Previously you had to download and install/update the RPM manually but I’ve heard they’re working on proper RPM and deb repos.
That’s good! Options don’t hurt imo, as long as they’re properly maintained.
Is there really? Long time splunk admin, I would love to see this
You give them too much credit. It’s just shitty, that’s it.
Discord is pretty much broken on all platform. It always was. There’s just no real alternative unfortunately.
Lets create an alternative.
There is an alternative people have used before discord came, it is called teamspeak. Is still around as well, but works more like a federated system since everyone has to set up and host their own server for people to use.
Teamspeak is no alternative to discord. Sorry. Also its not even open source, is it?
Discord isnt open source either tho so how does that matter for the comparison?
And while yes it is a little outdated, I do recall the time before discord when people would have their own teamspeak server instead, which worked very similar to the fediverse.
You had the client and could connect to any server you had the credentials to, which each were owned and hosted by various people or groups each with their own rules and code of conduct.
Mumble is open source.
If Twitter is any indication, Discord would have to fuck up big, and for a long time for people to switch.
I agree, but working on an alternative an cultivating it could be a good start. Look at mastodon or lemmy.
I’m all for it tho I have no idea how to grab the folk’s attention
We would have to sit down and actually think what an opensource solution can achieve and how it gets traction. Also from the get go it should be clear that there will be no feature parity between it and discord. If it was me, I would cut out the whole chatroom functionality, leave private messaging in, use threaded conversations as a standard and but a decent videocall system on top. But this would be my version of it, other people have other needs.
For the video call system you would not have to reinvent the wheel, use something existing like Jitsi (?) or alternatives. Then you would
Maybe the best bet is to look at matrix and wrench out the chatroom focus and replace it with threads?
best alternative would be a forum + voice calls + dms IMO
why cut chatroom functionality? Servers are the main reason people use discord?
Not in my bubble, chats create insurmountable loads of noise. By focusing on threads you get the discussion much more focused and streamlined. Example: Most of my discords are ttrpg related, where with the usage of bots games are scheduled. Or where discussion are happening around certain ttrpg systems.
I agree that a lot of discord servers focus on chat rooms. But you could retain that by simply having 1-2 chatrooms per server and structure/direct conversations to dedicated threads/voice chats instead.
Again this is just MY view. I am totally aware that other people, use it differently.
that’s a totally fair view, and the people at matrix seem to agree because it has threading, seems to be the kind you like, too
“Don’t attribute to malice what is explained by incompetence”
Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch
I’ve been using the canary branch exclusively for about a year because of audio issues on the main one, I would genuinely be ecstatic if they finally ported over the fix because for some reason the canary branch refuses to auto upgrade and I have to do it manually every time.
