Yeah, we definitely need less people in this country. I’m sure it’ll help fill all the job vacancies and increase productivity and GDP.
I will make sure to bring this up when any republicans complain that are so many vacancies because no one wants to work anymore.
Strictly speaking of productivity without justifying Trump’s plan in any way - labor shortage increases productivity. Cheap labor decreases productivity. Expensive labor forces capitalists to invest in new equipment and training to be able to produce the same output with fewer labor hours. Simple example - fastening the same number of bolts using manual screwdrivers in more hands vs electric screwdrivers in fewer hands.
Outside of that, removing a significant portion of the population at any one time would be significantly disruptive in many regards.
Lebensraum.
It doesn’t need to be a real problem, for them to make it one.
The immigrant work force will still be there, they’ll just be put in camps and forced to work for nothing, while white working class people are sold the idea of “claiming back” “their” land, while the capitalists take it all over in their name (and never share any of the profits or benefits, of course, with a new scapegoat as for why as they need it).
Damn that sucks :(
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Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Candy canes and free showers.
Are they calling this the final solution? /s
Time to get used to hunger
You can always quit meat! The “middlemen” eat more vegetation than you would directly.
You really saw this and thought “great opportunity to shill veganism”
Get used to hunger
What is so fucked up is how incredibly ignorant and stupid Trump and his policymaker picks are… like when they talk about how the tarifs would skyrocket the prices of basic imported foods (foods that CANNOT be grown anywhere in the United States) their response was ‘maybe Americans shouldn’t be eating those foods’.
This is fucking insane. I mean are they aware that the only place that coffee can be grown in the entirety of the United States is Hawaii? And I guarantee you, every single bit of coffee grown there will not be anywhere near enough to meet the demand that Americans have. What about chocolate? You like Chocolate? The overwhelming majority of chocolate in the world is grown in West Africa. But that is besides the point. There would be no chocolate for the average American as it would be simply too expensive. Most chocolate on the market today only contains a small bit of chocolate anyway, the other crap is just fat and sugar. After Trump does his tarifs it will be ALL fat and sugar and anything containing real chocolate will be an absolute luxury that no regular American will afford.
I could go on forever. But I am sure you realize just how FUCKED people are going to be. And don’t think for one moment that it is going to be an exclusively American problem. I am a Canadian, but a shitload of food products here are also packaged and manufactured in the United States, meaning that the price those companies, like the Kraft-Heinz (which is the 2nd largest food manfucturer in the world) have to pay for their ingredients will mean that the price for everyone will go up, even if they don’t live in the United States.
You’re absolutely right, I’m just worrying more about mass starvation than about coffee and chocolate. This is the practice run before climate change famine.
In Canada due to serious price gouging by supermarket retailers have been doing is resulting in MASSIVE food waste (people simply cannot buy the shit anymore, and what do they do? Just throw away tons upon tons of perfectly good food), and what is even more outrageous is that the price for some critical produce is actually so high that in some places there are cases of scurvy, which the company addresses as a big ‘so what? Here are some steps…’ as if it is the most normal thing in the world…
The only time I ever heard of scurvy in my life was when I was reading history books about pirates and old-timey sea travel where long-voyages in times without refrigeration and lack of nutritional understanding meant that the food they ate was seriously lacking in most vitamins, so sailors would get diseases like scurvy that no one living on land could ever get… yet now we’re living in a time that where we are surrounded by vitamin enriched everything and people are getting that crap because they cannot afford it due to gouging and landlords wanting to bring back 19th century slum stuffing…
Oh look at what you made me do, waste all this food.
Due to all this waste I have no choice but to raise prices to compensate.
The prices will continue to rise until morale improves.
CONSUME.
But we got no money to consume?
They’ll just create new farmland for previously unused parts of the US for coffee, chocolate, rice, avocados, bananas… In Alaska for example, there’s lots of empty land there. They’ve thought of everything.
At first I was like ‘ugh’ but then I was like ‘LOL!’ when you mentioned Alaska.
In a few decades Alaska could be viable.
You got me again! At first I was like ‘OK, how the FUCK is Alaska going to be good for Tropical… ooooooohhhhh shhhhhiiiiiitttt!’ and then I realized you meant climate change making it super warm.
Trump will just draw, with sharpie, on a map, where food is grown and BAM that’s where it’s from now.
What a stable genius!
Well at least we’re getting close to a somewhat interesting dystopia. /s
Genocide Joe continued Trump’s attacks on refugees, so now Trump feels like he has to go even harder.
Careful don’t trigger the libs!
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Im a woman. If the democrats gave a fuck about women well they’ve had FIFTY MOTHERFUCKING YEARS to codify roe but cynically fundraised off it instead.
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Wow triggered incel much?
Everybody look at the lib! Scratch them and they’re fascist!
I voted third party you fuck.
I’d say that the Overton Window is certainly weaponized by the right-wing.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.
They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.
A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.
White male wealthy supremacists?
I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.
Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren’t slave holders themselves?
No
Also the definition of what the founding fathers had of white was extremely different. It was only people from Britain that were white. The English, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else. Not the Germans, Irish, or Swedes even.
Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!
…you’d think I’d put /s, but no.
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
Plus the NSA knows the weapon supply stock of the US Armory and no matter how many rounds the avg “patriotic” gravy seal might have.
Literally no way to stand up to the gear the US military has, our real hope is some how not letting trump purge the military to break the laws.
ISIS and the Taliban stood up to America with worse. And no American soldiers agreed with the Taliban.
A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
Nothing cheaper than using the military, no siree. What’s the going rate for toilet seats at the Pentagon these days?
$30k, about 50% more than hammers
tho that’s in 1996 dollars
Wait till you see how much Boeing charges for soap dispensers
In fairness, they can’t just pop down to the hardware store and use one of those soap dispensers, since the changes in air pressure at altitude would cause them to leak all their contents or pop.
The average dispenser is basically two one-way valves, and a flexible tube you compress to squeeze it out (or a bottle with a pump). Everything inside would be forced out by the lower air pressure.
What planes are you flying on that aren’t pressurized?
Planes don’t maintain sea-level atmospheric pressure the whole time. That’s why your ears pop in-flight.
They barely ever do. Only when landing to an airport at sea level. Upon take off, the cabin pressure is gradually increased until the regulatory 8000 ft, which is maintained majority of the flight.
You experience the same pressure changes while driving in the mountains, with the good ol’ ear popping.
The whole toilet seat thing is as misunderstood. If the Air force needs a new toilet seat for one of it’s jets, and that jet isn’t in production anymore, and you can’t just go to homedepot for aircraft parts, then you have to order a bespoke seat.
Now setting up the tooling for an injection molded plastic seat, only to produce a limited run, maybe in the dozens, $10,000 per seat is a reasonable price.
I’m sure the Pentagon buys toilet seats at the regular price. The interesting thing about Pentagon bathrooms is that it has double the number it needs because of segregation.
There also the fact that the government has to buy domestic as much as possible. Not to say they don’t use corruption to transfer wealth via those contracts.
Will he deport Elon?
You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Also moved many hundreds of miles away lol.
You read well enough to create a chosen family. Best of luck!
All in due time, thanks for the well wishes =D
Operation Jade Helm
I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn’t be Americans, so it wouldn’t be what they feared. But very close.
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio way back while driving occasionally yea I member
I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
He’s not going to succeed at his goals unless he essentially suspends the constitution. Which I wouldn’t put past him necessarily but for now these headlines are pretty sensational.
Everybody is protected by the fifth amendment regardless of citizenship status or if they are here “legally” or not. We’re all entitled to due process and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure so long as we’re standing on American soil. Running after families just minding their business and demanding papers please is far fetched. Going after already established criminals however is a lot easier and low hanging fruit. And I’m not talking about people who’s only crime is being here illegally, I’m talking about people who are that + another crime. And sorry but I don’t feel sympathy for those people who make life harder for everyone else…
Even if they do go after everyone they don’t have the infrastructure in place to process people. The highest deportations happened under Obama (take that, hysterical pissing in their pants liberals) at 230k a year and the system was barely functioning and is further backlogged now than ever. How the fuck is trump gonna manage to deport a million a year?
He’s full of hot air. Hell deport criminals and claim a win.
I would be honestly less concerned if I thought the administration would be successful in deporting people. I think you’re relying heavily on “due process” here, when the reality is they can just accuse you of a crime, deny you bail, and then hold you pretty much indefinitely. You let the ones who can get lawyers out and you’ve pretty effectively filtered the population for wealth.
The Nazi death camps started as temporary internment camps with the intent to deport Jews eventually.
Then they just ended up with a whole bunch of people in camps with nowhere to send them and were like, “well, we might as well get some work out of some and kill the rest” and it sort of escalated from there.
Which with their “camps for the mentally ill, homeless, and drug addicted” and “deportation emergency” sounds alarmingly similar.
First sentence: unless he suspends the constitution
I’m not saying the rhetoric isn’t concerning, I’m saying he doesn’t have the machine set up to make it happen. Could it happen? Absolutely.
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where are those loud mouthed lefties
my blocked list
…what? Did anyone ever say that Harris and trump were the same? I’m not sure I ever heard that…
Bro, you need that /s
I’ve heard a lot of criticisms rephrased as “bOth SiDes sAMe” by the person with whom they were arguing.
Usually because Palestine. I fucking swear if 7 million stayed home over Palestine…
Cry about it. That’s what you get for being out to brunch for four years after promising the last election that you’d hold this admin “accountable” and “push them to the left”.
Run a popular platform instead of “we’re not trump”, hold legitimate primaries that aren’t dnc ratfucked, and stop supporting Israel’s genocide and general bullshit sucking us into WW3 and you’ll win an election in a landslide.
You’ll what?
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
*pro fascist liberals
The left are the ones holding dems accountable
…What are the inconvenient truths?
Edit: Ah, I just looked at your removed comments defending Nazis and shit. Don’t care, nevermind. Don’t bother responding, I’ve already blocked you.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Honestly all the shitlib apologia reads like bot material to me. All the dnc talking points over and over and over. Zero self reflection for why Harris lost. It’s everyone else’s fault! Especially those who couldn’t stomach voting for a genocider! How dare they! /s
On this, we agree.
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The blood of those Trump will kill are on your hands, not mine stranger.
And the blood of all those Palestinians killed already by biden is on your hands.
Trump would have killed them anyway, so not really.
Logically you can’t kill people twice. Do better, bot.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
You can’t prove an outcome 100x worse because the future hasn’t happened yet.
With Biden’s behavior towards Russia post election, there’s no guarantee that Harris bringing us into WW3 wouldn’t be 100x worse.
“You should have worked with the murderer to kill more people instead of taking a chance calling the cops!”
I mean ACAB and all that, but damn
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
Lol Gaza is going to be straight annihilated under Trump and you’ll still somehow feel righteous.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
So you believe absent bots and trolls that people would have been unified alongside Kamala on their support and commitment to genocide?
Sure. The goal of those bots and trolls was to smear Kamala and make it seem like she is the same choice as “get the job (genocide) done quickly” trump. There were lots of people saying “I can’t vote for Kamala because of Israel’s genocide” but I never ever heard a single fucking Republican say the same thing about trump. And now we have trump. Well done, dipshits.
Bullshit or you wouldn’t of lost an election in a landslide taking the senate and house with ya.
Liberal tears are so tasty. They can’t handle their shit ass genocidal candidate lost so they blame everybody but their shit ass candidate from a shit ass party for the loss.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
No, it’s not they “aren’t perfect”. It’s that they support a fucking genocide.
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Does it matter bro? They sold out all the women and queers in America for a country that hates women and queers. (Im lgbt i can say that)
Im a queer woman who “sold you out”. All of that tech that Israel’s using against the Palestinians in their genocide will be used against us next.
I don’t give a fuck. Cry about it. Being out to brunch for four years when you should of been holding the dems accountable like you all promised the left (just this time we swear we’ll push them left after they get elected!) resulted in this outcome.
Ill keep that in mind if we end up at the same camp
Given that RFK Jr wants to send the adhd people into camps I’ll probably end up in a concentration camp.
OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.
That would still be a poor comparison, itd affect queers here in America, not halfway across the world
“This is a bad analogy; the people being harmed are far away, therefore it’s not as bad,” is one hell of a take.
Harm reduction for who? The dems aren’t allies to anyone they pretend to be allies towards, all they care about is fundraising and protecting their corporate donors.
Those Palestinians sure don’t feel “harm reduction”. Immigrants? The dems will also throw them under the bus. Trans people? Same thing. Women? They’ve had fifty fucking years to protect abortion but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Fuck democrats and the vote blue no matter who idiots who support them. Y’all a bunch of easily manipulated fools.
Buddy, if you’re take away from my comments here are that I’m a, “vote blue no matter who,” Democrat, you should go back to your high school and slap your English teacher, 'cause you apparently made it through without picking up any reading comprehension. For the record, you’re not wrong about the Democrats, but voting for someone who will neglect you over someone who will attack you is harm reduction. Voting for the party that will allow Israel to level the Gaza over the party that will allow Israel to level Gaza and annex the West Bank is harm reduction. Voting for the party that did nothing to protect Roe over the party that abolished it is harm reduction. Voting for the people who are soft of trans rights over the people putting bounties on trans people using the bathroom is harm reduction. That’s why it’s called harm reduction, not harm elimination.
That doesn’t mean that the Democrats are good, or that you should always vote for them in every election, and I clearly sympathize with people who could not bring themselves to vote for them this election. It just means we would be better off if Trump wasn’t going to be President, and personally, I blame the Democratic party for that failure.
Republicans didn’t abolish roe. The scotus did. Maybe if democrats got their shit together they wouldn’t of lost not one but three scotus seats due to their own incompetence.
RBG didn’t retire soon enough to give Obama the pick.
Obama didn’t fight hard enough for his right to pick a successor to Scalia.
Then they lost 2016 to trump because they ran an absolutely detestable candidate and ratfucked the primary so trump got to pick three justices - one to replace RBG (Amy coney barret) and one to replace Scalia (Neil gorsuch) and then kavanaugh to replace Kennedy who retired under trump.
When republicans go low, democrats go cry in a corner and throw up their hands and say there’s nothing they can do, they tried nothing and they’re all out of ideas.
Voting for democrats is delusional, not harm reduction. But whatever makes you feel better. Laughable that you somehow assume the democrats wouldn’t allow Israel to genocide the West Bank too. Both parties support the genocide wholeheartedly.
Again, not wrong about the criticism of the Democrats, just what harm reduction is. Putting incompetent, weak-willed centrists in power over literal fascists is practically the definition of harm reduction. Again, that’s doesn’t mean I think Democrats are good. Amputation is better than dying of gangrene, but that doesn’t mean I think having your arm cut off is good.
(Also, yeah, Democrats wouldn’t let Israel annex the West Bank. That’s why Israeli politicians didn’t start talking openly about full annexation until Trump won. Democrats did allow illegal settlements to slowly take portions of the West Bank with little pushback, and that’s fucking despicable, but again, full annexation vs. illegal settlements is a perfect example of harm reduction.)
