“Allowed”.
Think I found the “nice guy” underlying reasons.
“I let them vote how they wish”
Does he think not committing voter intimidation is some noteworthy deed?
“I let them”
Dudes showing internally he thinks he controls their votes. That he could’ve not let them had he chosen so.
So his daughters should be thankful for such a benevolent patriarch. /S
You are contriving crap out of thin air here.
He clearly said in context “I let them vote in peace without objection or argument frome me”. Kind of like how I can either let your comment go or choose to respond without claiming to have control over you. The man is still ignorant AF though.
Your explanation is accurate, but your undercutting the importance of the statement. If you don’t have the power, then you don’t “let people” do anything.
Which is to say, he was contemplating being a giant a****** and pressuring them to vote the way he wanted, but he decided to use common sense, to not be a jerk, and now he’s asking for a prize for doing what most of us do all the time everyday.
This doesn’t make him a horrible human being, but it certainly doesn’t make him a good one. In his mind, special rules apply only to him.
I’m sorry, I think I misunderstand you. Are you suggesting you’d be an a****** for trying to persuade your friends and family to vote the way you want them to by voicing your objections, opinions, and making arguments?
Well it’s kind of semantics. The symbolism behind this is not the hill you’d want to die on. Letting somebody do something can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it. I hate Trump and his low IQ followers, but that sentence does not imply anything.
can either be allowing it or simply not disallowing it
Exactly.
When I go take a shit, did you allow it, or not disallow it? Neither, because you have no agency over me, so it’d be a stupid fucking sentence.
I’m not saying he thinks he owns his daughters like some 16th century inbred minor noble.
But connotations and implications can exist even when they weren’t particularly intentional by the writer (or speaker.)
I let you waste my time but somehow I’m implying I own you.
Sure buddy.
You’re welcome for not disallowing you to post this. I will also allow you to reply with something snarky if you like.
Sure buddy
Just to be clear; I let you say that. /s
I’m very thankful for that
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“Childish and rude”.
Kinda reminds me of someone.
Oh nonononono - you see, when Trump does it, he gets the good words: HE is “good at nicknames”, “strong” and “tells it like it is”. When anybody Trump doesn’t like does the exact same thing, then they are being childish, rude and it is altogether absolutely inacceptable.
I hope the three girls organise their own thanksgiving dinner and invite their mom.
I mean white women also supported Trump…
Not all of them
yeah, but more of them voted on Trump than on Harris
Your point?
my point was to point out that most white women (that voted) voted on Trump, I’d argue it’s more valid than “Not all of them”, of course not all of them voted like that, that’s what democratic voting is all about, majority won, majority of white women voters voted for Trump
We should probably assume all 3 of his white daughters who voted against Trump are Trump supporters as well then. (Assuming the post is even legitimate)
But they’re explicitly not.
That said, statistically speaking, the mom is probably a Trump supporter.
I kicked my son out of the house when I found out he voted for Trump. That was 8 years and I haven’t spoken to him since. I heard from my daughter that he was homeless for a couple of years and is now working retail while couch surfing.
Why the hell is this downvoted? Good
because someone’s political opinion doesn’t (usually) define who they are or even affect the rest of your family in any way.
this is like kicking your son out because they put pineapple on their pizza.
Yeah, because eating a pineapple is totally something comparable to voting for people who will decide everything for the next 4 years.
have you seen how people decide their vote?
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Yikes bro. Teach with love.
I’m torn on that tbh.
Hurt doesn’t heal hurt but on the other hand is rewarding disgusting behavior the way forward?
The family members who supported turning half of us into subhuman citizens don’t deserve business as usual.
History doesn’t care why germans voted in hitler in the 1930s, be it economic anxiety or hate for minorities, they’re just nazis.
“My kids don’t want to hang out with me after I dismissed their opinions as a mental disorder and the party I voted for tries to control their bodies! Why must I suffer? I didn’t do anything to them directly! These kids today are so unfaaaair!”
What a jackass.
I hope his kids have a great holiday. Good on them for standing up for their beliefs.
Wrong
What?
Chicken butt.
Snickers Got them.
Yeah, yeah you are.
You’re so cringe I already have you tagged from another comment you made lmao
Thanks
Thanks for helping me find out about user tags, this is revolutionary
The block user button: “Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power”
No way. I’d miss out on way too much free entertainment. Lemmy is full of dilusional takes.
It’s like a warning label.
I wish they were a Lemmy backend thing and not a frontend/per-app thing. I use more than one device (my desktop and my phone) to browse Lemmy, so functions that are local to only one frontend or app instance are useless to me.
Oh, so it’s only on my app? That’s much worse than I thought
Yeah I had to start doing it recently but I tend to save it for people with the worst takes
I imagine you having a daily task of opening Lemmy, looking at your username, cracking your knuckles and then just going ham on being as shitty of a person as possible.
It doesn’t matter if you’re a troll or not, it’s equally as bad either way.
Right
Shocking his three daughters don’t support a felon who publicly brags about sexually assaulting women and wanting to bang his daughter.
Conservatives never learn anything. It’s part of why they’re conservative in the first place. They don’t grow, expand their minds, or learn from life. They hit a point where they harden and ruin relationships.
I mean the point of conservatism is to “not change”, or “conserve” the old ways. Learning by definition means understanding new ideas which may even lead to trying new things, aka trying to “progress”, a leftist idea.
Many, many who vote conservative, used to be liberal. Haven’t you learned that most people turn conservatives as they get older? After growth, and learning more about life and politics, people tend to turn conservative…
The writing on the wall is plain and simple.
Through experience, people can perceive what politics actually effect their life/family/bottom dollar. The 40yo dumbass has seen president’s come and go. The 20yo dumbass might not even have voted for a president yet. But which dumbass probably has a better formed opinion?
It could be “learning more about life and politics” or it could be “becoming senile and having a steady diet of FOX News, Facebook, and YouTube”. Since higher levels of education are correlated with leftist politics, I’m betting on the second one.
I am 44 and went from conservative to liberal. My parents always told me I would switch as I got older and that was wrong. What I learned was conservatives want three things: money, controlling people, and being allowed to say the quiet part out loud.
What amazes me is conservatives are “Christian” yet don’t want to provide health care to people. I don’t remember Jesus in the bible healing people then asking for payment later.
Everyone is dynamic and unique, and no one’s experience is the same as another’s. Of course. I speak in generalities. Personally, I grew up identifying as conservative, then around 23, as my political opinions changed, I considered myself a liberal. That lasted about a dozen years, but now, again, I consider i probably fall more into the conservative camp.
As it’s also fondly called, the “Fuck you, I got mine” phenomenon.
100% of the conservatives I’ve known in my life were this, and the libertarians were the same. They have a narrow, self-centered view of everything, and think that everyone has the same exact opportunities they have. If someone isn’t as successful as they are, instead of acknowledging that everyone has a unique set of barriers and experiences, they dismissively write it off as them being lazy.
I used to be more leaft leaning when young yes. Now I turned 40… I’m feeling anarchist I tell ya… Burn everything stop oppressing no one should have power.
No, that’s just one of those sayings that goes around. It’s the assumption that people make more money as they age thus causing them to be more conservative. Maybe this was true in the 80s
In my experience, the loudest conservatives I’ve met have all fallen into 2 categories:
Explicitly “fuck you I got mine” I can at least appreciate the honesty with these ones.
And “I haven’t read a book since 12th grade, and now I struggle to read at a 2nd grade level.” And that’s just performing the act of reading. Actual comprehension and critical thinking are completely beyond them.
The religious types are part of the equation too, but my area isn’t particularly religious, so I don’t often come across those assholes.
The religious types are really just subsets of the other types who want to play the “See, it is not me saying all those bigoted things about you, it is my god” card to avoid counter-arguments.
I’ve heard this multiple times and have very rarely seen it apply. Usually if they’re conservative in their later years, they always were. It just wasn’t as prevalent or talked about. I’ve been a lefty since I was a kid and have not deviated at all.
It’s like people that once supported Bernie now voting for Trump (they’re a strange anomaly but they exist). They were never actually liberal. They either voted entirely on vibes and feels, or they got swept up in the wave of others around them. Then eventually their true self surfaces.
People grow more conservative when they have something to conserve. Also because they’re wanker and weren’t raised right.
Also the world moves towards progressiveness by definition so people who still have the same views with 80 as they did with 20 are probably more conservative (in the traditional sense of the word) relative to the rest of the world.
I find that they’re usually fixated on materialistic things. They get a little money and it goes to their head.
I gotta say, I’m becoming more lefty as I age. I grew up with an emphasis on personal responsibility, self reliance etc. Those principles still ring true with me. But I have seen them twisted by conservatives to be used against individuals in the interests of the 1%, the corporations. Trump doesn’t even pretend to play by the same rules. He has literally said “I take no responsibility at all” while as the president for things he was in control of. That’s not a leader, it’s a ruler.
I don’t think age makes people conservative, I think power makes people conservative. If you accumulate wealth and power then you may become conservative in order to protect your wealth from taxes.
Just as others in this thread have said, it’s the “fuck you, I got mine” attitude.
Conservatives seem to have this weird belief that if they tried something and failed, then everything should be as if they never tried at all. Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
Maybe it’s just how their fragile egos handle not winning everything always.
The love the fucking around, but they want to eliminate the finding out
Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
“You see, Birch, I’m presently incarcerated for a crime I didn’t even commit! ‘Attempted murder.’ Ha! Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?!” - Sideshow Bob from the episode of The Simpsons where he literally becomes the Republican mayoral candidate after calling into a right wing talk radio show.
When Trump won and starting talking about how unlikely it was, I half-expected him to break out into evil laughter ala Sideshow Bob in this scene. Which certainly would have been more honest.
Could he then get dragged through cactai while strapped to someone’s undercarriage and then step on rakes indefinitely? That’d be swell.
They don’t win everything always?
I have to ask, are there conservatives in PDX?
Might find this interesting: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland/492035/
Sure. Oregon was initially established by white supremacists. It has an old culture of racism deep in its bones.
Plently of racist shitheads all over, even in liberal enclaves like portland.
Sigh.
My dad is hardcore conservative, identifies as independent. My mom was Democratic, she’s now hardcore Republican to reflect the political views of her 4th husband.
I want so badly to just not see any family for Thanksgiving because their political views are so dramatically opposed to mine, but that just doesn’t feel right in my heart.
Everyone I love supports things I’m ethically and morally against, but shit dude, my circle of people is already so small. I want to have family and friends in my life, but I also want to surround myself with people who share my values. Unfortunately I have to choose one over the other, and that feels dirty.
Going no contact or limited contact is a personal decision everyone has to decide for themselves. I’m lucky enough to have boomer parents who aren’t hateful/gullible conservatives.
It is a personal choice, but it also enables fascism. It is important that we not ignore this.
People say “what would you do to stop the Nazis” and in America, we can’t even bring ourselves to do the very minimum to socially isolated Nazis while that is still a viable option. How’s it going to go if we need to take up arms against them? How many people are going to say “I know my father is marching with brownshirts who lynch gay people, but I’m pretty sure he isn’t actually holding the rope.”
Personally, I’d cut them off as I’m diametrically opposed to fascism and bigotry. But I get that family relationships can be complicated, and if people are dependent on those Trump supporters cutting them off really isn’t a viable option. The reality is we’re all more isolated than ever, and without some kind of support system, cutting off the few people some have connections with might end up doing more harm than good. We need stronger communities built around opposing the coming tidal wave of crushing hatred - much easier said than done.
I’m not from the US, but my mother held some questionable craycray views for a long time, but I only fully realized & saw the extend of it after the refugee crisis in 2014. I tried to somehow bear with her, but in the end, also for some other reasons, I had to cut her out of my life, simply for my own sake. I’m rather alone than surrounded by toxic people.
You’re allowed to make new friends.
Oh wow why didn’t I think of that
Doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Maybe you can go every second one. Or go and if it comes up and gets heated you could leave?
General Grant would not approve
I was about to say, General Grant annihilated the confederacy then President Grant tore apart the first KKK. He would probably beat the shit out of this member of the forth KKK.
Well, golly gee, he “let” his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can’t imagine why they’d spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
The vice president elect said people with kids should get more votes. The next step in that slippery slope is to have control of your grown-ass kid’s votes until they know how to “vote properly”.
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what people keep missing is that some things, even though actions of a government, aren’t political.
e.g. trump’s a convicted rapist… it’s not politics to hate someone that is permissive of a rapist just because they think he’ll help your tax bracket (he won’t, and he fucked the economy last time too).
racism isn’t politics, destroying the environment isn’t politics… they’re moral imperatives….womp womp
