Fun fact:
The dairy was fined in 2023 for a Salmonella outbreak and is very militantly anti-government.
The why seems pretty clear.
There is a way. Just mix it with equal parts hard liquor.
That sounds like a fun night
I heard bleach works good too.
So you get a liquid that’d roughly 20% alcohol and mostly milk?
Yeah that’s not gonna do it.
Try this:
Even if you do 95% everclear (which we don’t even have in the EU, we’d fucking kill ourselves with that shit), you’d still only get 47.5% alcohol with the rest being milk, which is not enough to sterilise it.
Like above 42% will kill a lot of stuff in it, but it’s not enough to sterilise it.
OK, but pasteurization doesn’t sterilize it either. And if you can’t get everclear, you probably can’t get raw milk. And, OP was making a joke…
Sure man, but I’m a pedant with a shit sense of humour and I like to point out myths that may or may not be actually relevant if it “came down to it.” And unlike in the movies where you just spray some whisky on a wound, alcohol isn’t a magical get-rid-of-all-chance-of-infection when it’s in levels of like <50%.
A lot of people take humor as fact, either by not understanding it as satire or by thinking it’s funny because it’s true etc. So while a bit of a party pooper, I don’t think some light correction is all that harmful.
Very kind of you.
I recall they were telling us it needed to be pretty much exactly 70% to sanitise hands during COVID
Man, a shot of Vodka at 40% has me questioning my life choices, I cannot imagine taking a shot of this goddamn paint thinner holy shit
It would suck the water out of your mouth :)
Yeah, that’s why you mix it with raw milk.
Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.
I mean, viruses are kind of Trumps thing. Maybe H5N1 kills another million or so to mark his second term.
H5N1 would kill a lot more than a million if it goes H2H.
H5N1 is way, way more lethal than Covid19.
If it were to mutate to spread between humans without decreasing in lethality it would probably be the deadliest event in human history by a significant margin.
On the bright side, if H5N1 kills off all its hosts, it’ll effectively eradicate itself
It has been contracted by humans, but because we pasteurize and ultra pasteurize, the problem has been mostly moot. I’m still using ultra pasteurized dairy. It’s typically those who work very closely with the animals and such. Many a farmer will dip into that raw milk for their own table too.
CDC data has 29 human cases 15 of which were serious to critical, with 7 deaths. That is NOT a large enough pool to establish a meaningful percentage, but it’s worth keeping an eye on with some level of concern. Especially with the number of medically minded dipshits we have in this country.
it would be celebrated as “freedom”
And I’m and American in Colombia where they pasteurize the milk to the point where it is stored at room temperature.
UHT milk tastes disgusting though. Not sure if it’s the additives here in the UK.
Pasteurization is a wonderful thing however.
It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”
Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.
And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.
How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.
I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.
It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.
This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.
Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.
But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.
Agreed with everything you said. I had a class about bio processes and one of them was about production of cheese and during the class both our professor and the scientist that was walking us through the chemistry of cheese making were constantly talking how pasteurization was really good for us all and how annoying it was that it made cheese making more difficult because of the way it messed with casein and other proteins, making it so that the cheese wouldn’t “coagulate” correctly (they used a specific term that I cannot remember for the life of me, sorry) but that was all. A protein being bent up a bit doesn’t negatively affect the milk of where just drinking it or using it to bake, Ave even for cheese making there are tequiniques to still make it into cheese with pasteurized milk.
Fuck, dude, it’s already in California? I was hoping it was at least somewhat contained to Canada but clearly I haven’t been keeping up with the news on the issue.
What is contained in Canada? Bird flu? There has only been one case and they are unsure where the teenager got it from.
It’s in our factory farming animals. It’s been that way for a while. The administration if just fucking around with it and not culling like they should.
And farmers are concealing their infected herds because they don’t want their animals culled. So just assume it is everywhere. We are probably on pandemic II feat. RFK Jr and Trump very soon and it is going to be a lot of fun.
Hmmm. Maybe theres still a little time, but rather unlikely.
Yeah, who knows. There is a possibility that they get a vaccine for farm animals soon and that ends the pandemic. But I’m not counting on it. I’ve stocked up on masks and the like, but I’ve never stopped with social distancing, masking and the like so a new flu pandemic isn’t going to change my life much.
It might disrupt my plans to travel, but I’m glad to hear people are busy preparing this time.
I sure hope they chug that stuff.
I just drank like 2 glasses of milk because it was strawberry flavored :(
Raw milk or pasteurized? The latter is most likely ok.
Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave, watching them raw milk drinkers.
You say that, but far as I know, Pasteur died and the raw milkies are still alive!!1!
Take that, past! We totally futured your ass!
I wish they would irradiate it instead of boiling. Irradiation is completely safe and preserves the nutritional benefits. But the raw milk people are generally opposed to that, and irradiation has a PR problem. Sadness.
What nutritional benefits does it preserve exactly?
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Does it taste different? Of raw milk tastes different than pasteurized milk than radiated milk might taste different too.
It taste differently and it usually hasnt gone through the separation of cream from the milk so it has high fat content and sometimes fat drops on the surface
I also imagine on the company side it’s probably more expensive to do that rather than just making it hot enough.
Pasteurization doesn’t boil the milk though…
UHT does, 140C for 2-5 seconds. Shelf-stable without refrigeration for up to nine months unless you open it.
Frankly speaking the difference between milk from cows with good diet vs. from cows fed protein slop is greater than between the modes of processing.
Still have PTSD from my mother feeding me raw milk – unlike in the US it’s legal here, also heavily regulated so it wasn’t a health risk microbiology-wise but boy am I sensitive to even slight off-tastes in milk because yes you’re going to interrupt the cooling chain and no that fridge doesn’t have 8C. Unless you’re a cheesemaker or such and it’s necessary for the process, stay away from raw.
And, no, it doesn’t have health benefits. Maybe if your kid doesn’t play outside in the mud and the milk is the only source of germs they’re exposed to, then it may help them to not develop autoimmune disorders. Be sane, choose mud over milk.
Interesting, I’m not well-versed in pasteurization techniques.
Sorry to hear about the raw milk PTSD. I’ve never had it, and don’t plan on it.
Thanks for giving me something (UHT) to look into.
Only time I’ve had raw milk was when I was a kid and visited farming friends, since they had a pitcher in the fridge from that days milking. They used it in cooking usually, but it wasn’t that bad to drink.
The laws regarding cow and milk health is way different in Sweden that most other countries though, very strict routines around testing. We can eat raw eggs from the store.
Eggs and birds:
You know that exact kind of thing is why you’re known as arrogant swots all over Europe, don’t you? Do you google whether Denmark has safe tap water before going on ølviking?
If I’m in Denmark to drink beer I take the custom where I am. If the tap water isn’t good, I drink something else.
In my town we had a huge outbreak of cryptosporidium which poisoned all tap water in the city, so no matter regulations no place is guaranteed safe. That’s why you test stuff. If anyone find unhealthy results you need to contain, treat and inform to minimize damage and exposure risk
The reason we are known as arrogant swots is probably not our husbandry rules but our foreign policies that can be naive or straight up delusional (such as thinking chat control is net positive).
I don’t really know though since I have no possibility to leave my farm to travel, neither in time or monetary capabilities
Well yes that’s another reason but trust me when I say that you’re not the only European country with standards for milk and eggs. There’s nothing to brag about. Also, do you even raw pork.
Yeah, we haven’t had trichinella in our domestic pork animals for ages so we can indeed eat raw pork
The thread started about infected milk so I just gave an example of an area where the risk is minimal to emphasize that it’s a legislation or control issue rather than an issue with the food item by itself. I didn’t mean to attack you or imply that any other country is lesser, just that it’s possible to combat if the political will exists
Wonder if they tried heating the milk up to 63 degrees C for 30 mins before consumption?
Maybe that would help.
Why would you say crazy, nonsense things like that?
Sorry, I am out of line.
But I do think it could catch on.
Nah just add a little ivermectin and you’re good!
Just use bleach! It kills 99.9 percent of germs.
I’ve been injecting Oxy-Clean™ - my lungs never felt so fresh!
So, I don’t really understand the science, but my son is only able to drink raw milk. When he drinks normal milk, he has terrible stomach aches and mad diarrhea. When he drinks raw milk, it’s all rainbows and butterflies. For reference, he’s 3 and has been drinking the raw milk for around a year and a half. Also, the rest of the family had no issues drinking pasteurized milk. Maybe somebody smarter than me could explain why this is?
You should give oat milk a try (or soy/almond, but oat tastes the best imo)
For some reason all the soy and oat milks I’ve tried taste terribly sour and bitter to me. At times I think “am I going crazy”, when people around me describe them tasting sweet.
Though also some vegetables, like coriander and parsley taste soapy and bitter to me, so maybe its some quirky genetics thing.
There’s sweetened and unsweetened ones so that might be it but who knows.
Maybe don’t fucking feed him milk at all? Whoa mind blown…
I felt so much better once I stopped drinking cow milk. If you look into the science, you really don’t need it in your diet at all. Dairy lobbyists managed to get the government to promote it as necessary for health, though.
Have the rest of the family conduct a double-blind test. In other words, neither you nor the child now which is which.
This might be helpful, or it might be unrelated.
Recently, I made mozzarella from scratch. In order to do that, I needed some milk that wasn’t homogenised. Homogenisation is the process of breaking up the fat globules within milk into smaller droplets so they’re more evenly dispersed throughout the liquid, meaning there won’t be a fatty layer that separates out when you leave the milk to stand.
Most milk that you buy at the supermarket would be both homogenised and pasteurised. I learned that pasteurised milk could work for cheese, depending on the specific temperature the milk was heated to during pasteurisation (because the required minimum temperature for pasteurization is below the temperature that causes issues for mozzarella, but some brands pasteurise at a higher temperature. Unfortunately most brands don’t say what temperature they pasteurise at, but I got lucky with the first one I tried). That part’s not especially relevant to you and is mostly cheese related
The thing I wanted to suggest, out of scientific curiosity more than helpfulness, is that I wonder how your son would do with pasteurised, non-homogenised milk — perhaps it’s the homogenisation that’s causing the problem, rather than the pasteurisation. If you do try this, I’d be interested to hear back how things go; I haven’t heard of anyone having issues like this before
Oh, interesting. I’ll have to look into where to find that.
FWIW, there’s a lot we don’t know - but are learning - about bacteria and the gut. For example, if I’m not mistaken, a baby gets a lot of important gut bacteria from it’s mum through breastfeeding.
So when I hear all this argument about raw vs pasteurised milk, I expect there really is something of health benefit to raw milk, just there’s a big downside of harmful pathogens that can be cured with pasteurization. That doesn’t mean all raw milk is unsafe. Like with raw eggs in the UK, or not iodizing your vegetables, it can be safer with care over production.
Anyway, that is to say, I figure there could be some interaction with the bacteria in the raw milk helping your son to digest it.
But having seen the other comment suggesting homogenisation, that sounds more likely to me. (Just a guess though.)
There seems to be some disagreements among the healthcare community as well. With my son, we tried normal milk, goat’s milk, and raw. The raw was the only one that didn’t cause the gut issues. We mentioned this to his pediatrician, and he told us there was no difference. When we mentioned the variance to a different physician, he said there absolutely would be reason for him to react with the pasteurized but not the raw. I think he mentioned something about the breakdown of protiens when milk is pasteurized, but I can’t remember for sure.
That’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
I hope things work out well for your son.
Have you tried nut or grain milk? I like oat, soy, and rice, but cashew is pretty good, too.
Should totally stop feeding him raw milk, get those lactose-free milk instead.
Just use oat milk. It’s creamy and delicious, and it lasts longer.
I actually think we may have tried lactaid as well, with a similar reaction. My wife would remember for sure.
You’re going to be pretty sad when your kid dies due to your poorly informed decisions.
Slow pastuerization kills the same amount of microbes as flash… without killing all the flavor of the milk.
But it takes longer, so it’s not good for business
Killing your customers similarly tends to have detrimental effects on businesses.
Unless you provide pensions.
at least CVD isn’t contagious
Every new infection is a new dice roll for a human-human infection mutation
Low chance, but let’s hope we don’t get XCOM’d
Cardiovascular disease is never going to be contagious, except through socially transmitted values that say it is okay to commit atrocity against cattle.
Some people might have said the same about cancer too
Edit: Forget cancer.
Viruses are one of the most common causes of heart inflammation. When an infection leads to myocarditis, health experts refer to it as infective myocarditis. Myocarditis can occur if the virus infects heart tissue. This can trigger an immune system reaction that may result in inflammation of heart muscle tissue
Huh. Turns out heart failure can be contagious.
I feel like it’s only a matter of time until I see a headline that says, ‘White House votes A-trocities A-OK!’
Ah, sorry. Was still at the bird flu from op
*yet
Might get some hate here for this, but I’ve tried this company’s cheese. It’s the best cheddar cheese I’ve ever tasted.
Raw milk does usually make better cheese, sadly.
Why would you get hate for that? Just because a company that sells cheese also sells raw milk when they probably shouldn’t?
Nah, the owners of the company are batshit
I’m cool with idiots who don’t know any better getting what’s coming to them… but I’m not really cool with them sneezing on the same door handles I turn.
Except the same people end up serving it to their kids
Weird. I thought they were anti-abortion.
Only until they’re born. After that, they’re 100% pro death. Execution penalty all the way.
America, home of the brave and land of fucking around and finding out.
