It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”
Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.
And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.
How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.
I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.
It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.
Agreed with everything you said. I had a class about bio processes and one of them was about production of cheese and during the class both our professor and the scientist that was walking us through the chemistry of cheese making were constantly talking how pasteurization was really good for us all and how annoying it was that it made cheese making more difficult because of the way it messed with casein and other proteins, making it so that the cheese wouldn’t “coagulate” correctly (they used a specific term that I cannot remember for the life of me, sorry) but that was all. A protein being bent up a bit doesn’t negatively affect the milk of where just drinking it or using it to bake, Ave even for cheese making there are tequiniques to still make it into cheese with pasteurized milk.
This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.
Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.
But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.
Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.
I mean, viruses are kind of Trumps thing. Maybe H5N1 kills another million or so to mark his second term.
H5N1 is way, way more lethal than Covid19.
If it were to mutate to spread between humans without decreasing in lethality it would probably be the deadliest event in human history by a significant margin.
It has been contracted by humans, but because we pasteurize and ultra pasteurize, the problem has been mostly moot. I’m still using ultra pasteurized dairy. It’s typically those who work very closely with the animals and such. Many a farmer will dip into that raw milk for their own table too.
CDC data has 29 human cases 15 of which were serious to critical, with 7 deaths. That is NOT a large enough pool to establish a meaningful percentage, but it’s worth keeping an eye on with some level of concern. Especially with the number of medically minded dipshits we have in this country.
On the bright side, if H5N1 kills off all its hosts, it’ll effectively eradicate itself
H5N1 would kill a lot more than a million if it goes H2H.
it would be celebrated as “freedom”
Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave…
He is boiling in his grave. Probably milk.
Only for a few seconds. And he’s not even boiling. After that he’s fine.
rollingcurdling
Hey, I live there and someone just posted on our local Facebook page asking where to get some raw milk. I’ll send them a link.
I bet the solution is so fast, it’s past your eyes before you know it.
Edit: for anybody who is hearing impaired.
Past-yer-eyes milk. Nice.
Hmm, a sign language pun. Interesting!
Sounds like something a guy named Louie would think of.
Louie CK? Funny guy, weird shaped penis.
idk, seems like an idea that should be sent out to pasture.
Of course it was from Fresno, lol
isn’t that the place with the freaky haunted pants?
lol, yup.
Please explain.
pants are hauntedSo this is someone trolling I presume? Or we got a grade A SCP
What the fuck
Heyo, that’s where I live 😅
Relax, it isn’t human to human transmissible.
Yet.
Not with that attitude
The attitude doesn’t seem to be a problem here.
It hasn’t been documented yet, sure, I’ll give you that. You and I both have no idea if it has happened already and the patients didn’t get tested or they didn’t go to the hospital or doctor with the bird flu. They might not have even realized they had the flu.
Bunch of adluts getting pink eye flu from their kids says it already has been
Some relatively unknown French microbiologist is rolling in his grave right now.
Sacre Bleu!
Mmmmerde!
“LOUIS PASTEUR WAS A FASCIST IN LINE WITH THE NEW WORLD ORDER!” - Big D
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Raw milk now getting “Bird Flued on Date”
Tbf, raw milk is delicious.
brain parasites: yes… YEEEESS…
Compared to UHT milk or refrigeration required milk?
Uh oh you violated the cardinal rule of Lemmy and posted an opinion at odds with the intent of the OP.
I agree raw milk is delicious. Too bad most people cannot experience that safely.
Moo moo! Moo!
Lol, that’s actually not fair.
Lol there’s no difference
Of course there’s a difference. That’s like saying there’s no difference between a rare steak and a well done steak. Yes, they’re both steak, and to some extent they taste the same, but they are very different.
One does come with a bunch of potentially dangerous microbes
The microbes add a distinctly tangy flavor!
So is chicken sashimi.
And pork sashimi.
Only in Japan tho
Fuck, dude, it’s already in California? I was hoping it was at least somewhat contained to Canada but clearly I haven’t been keeping up with the news on the issue.
It’s in our factory farming animals. It’s been that way for a while. The administration if just fucking around with it and not culling like they should.
And farmers are concealing their infected herds because they don’t want their animals culled. So just assume it is everywhere. We are probably on pandemic II feat. RFK Jr and Trump very soon and it is going to be a lot of fun.
I sure hope they chug that stuff.
I just drank like 2 glasses of milk because it was strawberry flavored :(
Raw milk or pasteurized? The latter is most likely ok.
Hmmm. Maybe theres still a little time, but rather unlikely.
Yeah, who knows. There is a possibility that they get a vaccine for farm animals soon and that ends the pandemic. But I’m not counting on it. I’ve stocked up on masks and the like, but I’ve never stopped with social distancing, masking and the like so a new flu pandemic isn’t going to change my life much.
It might disrupt my plans to travel, but I’m glad to hear people are busy preparing this time.
What is contained in Canada? Bird flu? There has only been one case and they are unsure where the teenager got it from.
Might get some hate here for this, but I’ve tried this company’s cheese. It’s the best cheddar cheese I’ve ever tasted.
Raw milk does usually make better cheese, sadly.
Why would you get hate for that? Just because a company that sells cheese also sells raw milk when they probably shouldn’t?
Nah, the owners of the company are batshit
Fortune favors the bold. Hand me a glass at random.
Fun fact:
The dairy was fined in 2023 for a Salmonella outbreak and is very militantly anti-government.
The why seems pretty clear.
at least CVD isn’t contagious
*yet
Every new infection is a new dice roll for a human-human infection mutation
Low chance, but let’s hope we don’t get XCOM’d
Cardiovascular disease is never going to be contagious, except through socially transmitted values that say it is okay to commit atrocity against cattle.
Ah, sorry. Was still at the bird flu from op
Some people might have said the same about cancer too
Edit: Forget cancer.
Viruses are one of the most common causes of heart inflammation. When an infection leads to myocarditis, health experts refer to it as infective myocarditis. Myocarditis can occur if the virus infects heart tissue. This can trigger an immune system reaction that may result in inflammation of heart muscle tissue
Huh. Turns out heart failure can be contagious.
I feel like it’s only a matter of time until I see a headline that says, ‘White House votes A-trocities A-OK!’
