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If she waited it out, she and the fetus could suffer tremendously. “The thing [a doctor] said was, ‘There are things worse than death, and I have seen it,’” Farmer recounted.
Damn. Feels like it could be a good quote to oppose anti-abortion.
this is missouri.
i bet this woman still voted against amendment 3.
Two years ago? Cuz that’s how old this is.
ETA: I’ll take the downvotes on this one. Shower your disapproval. Fuck this lady and her leopard eaten face.
I don’t really feel happy for anybody in this case. Everybody loses. We can only hope that this person learned their lesson.
Absolutely agreed - her situation is a shit one, and I hope she learned her lesson. She chose her journey, though, in the face of all the contrary evidence.
I did a little digging and she is pro choice now
https://jezebel.com/former-pro-life-missouri-woman-denied-emergency-abortio-1849688390
“Farmer” and “White”. Name a more American duo
Hey, Gary Farmer is a national treasure, and he was Native American!
Edit: Ah shit my bad, he’s Canadian. Still North America…
Guns and Ammo.
Hotdogs and beer?
“Things that really should not be run for profit” and “running them for profit anyway because socialism bad”
And she learns nothing
It’s a sad reality that most pro-life stance people don’t understand that most pro-choice people are also pro-life. It certainly doesn’t help that some extremists rant loudly about 9th month abortions. But a lot of people who don’t like the idea of abortion still understand the need for it, both medical and otherwise, and believe the decision should rest with the parent and doctor, not the government. If there was more open an honest communication then there probably wouldn’t be as many single-issue voters voting Republican because of this issue.
There are few situations where I would choose abortion, however if my wife or daughter needed an abortion for whatever reason, I’d want it to be legally available from a qualified healthcare provider with minimal wait time. This business of having to leave the state/country to get an abortion is fucking ridiculous.
Exactly. I thought I was pro-life years ago because I personally wouldn’t consider an abortion outside of medical issues. But I also didn’t presume to make decisions for other people. It took a friend explaining to me that my position makes me pro-choice for me to understand. The Republicans have done a good job of framing the pro-choice stance as wanting to kill babies, and the pro-choice people haven’t done a good job explaining that it’s not.
“then connected Farmer with an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center in the state”
I can imagine how that conversation went: “I know its risking not only your reproductive organs, but also your life. However, have you considered carrying the child to term so she can die in your arms shortly afterward so you can ‘pwn the libs’? Think about their tears!”
I’ll take stories that never happened for 400 Alec.
Edit: for the downvoters… cope harder.
I love that they referred her to an anti-abortion crisis center, because there’s a 99% chance they’ll just tell her the same “pro-life” garbage she’s been spewing and send her ass home.
Remember, God makes no mistakes 🤗
I really do hate myself for a lack of sympathy in this situation, but these people need to experience what they’re doing to everyone else.
What’s sad is that people who agree with her won’t see the threat to her life as a valid reason either. They don’t know her so they don’t care for her. They’ll lump her in with the people they torment outside of Planned Parenthood regularly.
Just another woman who spread her legs and is too cowardly to accept the will of god.
I’ll be honest, I’m burned out. I need a break from morons and their stories. I really do.
Don’t worry, they’re all gonna feel the pain when the plans for tariffs, deportations, and budget cuts are implemented and everything costs more (so much is imported and no Americans are going to pick crops) and everyone has less money (they’re looking at benefits, VA, and federal employment cuts). Maybe they’ll cry He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting. but my hope is they learn who to never elect again at all levels of government.
It’s going to be a rough 2 years until the midterms when we flip one of the chambers of Congress and stop any more insanity, but we’ll survive. And if we do what we can, we’ll get back what’s ours and then some in 4 years.
Sometimes people have to get hurt before they learn a lesson.
Sometimes that won’t even work. Maybe just a little cognitive dissonance.
I’ve given up on being sympathetic for people who actively try to put these things in place. Like, I’m just jaded now. You voted for this. Congratulations, if this is fatal for your stupid decisions, that’s on you. I’m sympathetic to the people with brains who knew this would happen, those people get my sympathy and caring.
I felt similar about people asking for the vaccine right before they went on the ventilator. Something like 3m people in the US died from Covid.
It’s been estimated that there were at least 232k preventable deaths because people didn’t get vaccinated. That doesn’t include people who suffered permanent damage or long-COVID.
Don’t feel bad. Everyone has limits. At some point you have to worry about yourself and those around you.
I’ll be honest, I’m burned out. I need a break from morons and their stories. I really do.
You need to stop going out of your way to doomscroll on social media, then. It’s ultimately entirely in your power to not be exposed to them.
I’m being serious. It’s not good for you–social media makes it extremely easy to be exposed to negativity 24/7 if you’re looking for it, since you’re 1 person in a world of over 8 billion. You don’t have to get even close to 1% of the people being assholes, for this to be not only possible, but trivially easy.
The human psyche is literally not designed to withstand the kind of barrage technology has made possible. Please do not feel guilty about giving yourself a break at times, to say the very least.
Thanks for this (I’m not the op). While I tend to agree that doomscrolling doesn’t help my mental health, I’m not sure how to square burying my head in the sand vs not paying attention to the crazy shit going on.
I don’t expect an answer or anything, just venting. I feel powerless and my taxes are apparently going to fund a concentration camp.
RSS feeds or
I have accepted that two things can be trust at once: I can be sad for her and amused at the leopard eating her face. I have no problem containing both of those emotions at the same time without hating myself one ounce.
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She is the leopard eating her face. I see no reason to be sad. She is dying for her beliefs, a martyr.
It wasn’t part of her plan but (her) God chose her for this. We should she be happy. She should be happy. This is (her) God’s will.
I’m not sad for her, but more for the brutal response she got at the end of the article. That’s how they treat everyone that comes to them with issues like that.
She wanted that too.
Not for herself, of course, but anyone else.
Now I do know and understand the risks along with what is involved with a hysterectomy, but her age along with her political stance brings some questions.
With her being ‘mostly pro-life’… Was she against contraception? Did she get pregnant on purpose? Did she know the level of risk to the mother and fetus with a pregnancy after 40? She said she was worried about losing her uterus… Was she wanting to get pregnant again? Did she know she’s just around the corner from menopause? Being around her age, the option for freezing one’s eggs can be a viable option, especially with the possibility of needing a hysterectomy. Would she be against a surrogate pregnancy?
Aww man Im all out of fucks
Nice watermark
This may get downdooted to oblivion, but I think some of this is human nature. It is abhorrent, and something we need to strive to fix, but it is rather natural for people to think that their own situation is typical – because for them, it is. Every exemplar that a privileged person will have is also a privileged exemplar – until, of course, something like this happens.
And as a further consequence, it is extremely difficult to convince someone that their personal situation is not the norm. Everyone wants to be the main character and ultimately believes that they are.
Not sure what the solution is.
I don’t think it’s more human mature than the opposite is.
Most of us are capable of reasoning and of empathy. We can hear a doctor say “there’s cases where it’s necessary” and think “yeah, makes sense” or “I trust their expertise”.
Not being able to see past oneself seems like a very limited view. There’s reasons for that of course. but it’s a failure of education and social surroundings. And it’s not inherent.
I get your point, but i think people are not consistent with this. Who gets or doesnt get sympathy is entirely emotional.
Ive had people say that refugees are at fault for not getting their papers in order in time and shut be deportet over it and then go on to talk about how for them as citizens it is impossible with the low staffed and inefficient government offices these days.
They willfully ignore that their problems with the bureaucracy could exist for other people too. And we are not even talking about acknowledgong it to be worse. Just simply transferring their life experience onto other people like you describe.
Reading.
We need everyone to read more books. A wide variety of stories on a wide variety of topics by a wide variety of authors, all with different backgrounds and ideas. We must read stories that let us temporarily step into the mind and experiences of other people, who aren’t us, to train our brains the ability to understand the plights of others. Books of human stories, as opposed to movies, doom-scrolling TikTok, etc., seems uniquely suited for this kind of training of empathy, because the stories are executed inside our own brains.
I’m willing to bet that these why-are-the-leopards-suddenly-eating-my-face? the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion type people have read distinctly less, or at least far less varied, stories than us who look at them and wonder how it is possible to be so unable to put themselves in the shoes of anyone but themselves.
Just for your info: There is no “downdooted to oblivion” on Lemmy. Up- and downvotes for comments have almost no effect.
Yes thanks, and I know that. I’m not going for updoots, but I do like to see them.
Gotta get that dopamine where you can.
Provide testing for logic, critical thinking, and empathy in order to vote?
Stop making excuses for stupid people that hold back the progress of mankind?
Oh, I’m not trying to make excuses. Though I can appreciate that it looks like that.
But how do we restrict the stupid people? If we agree that every human gets to take part, then it follows that the stupid will be voting.
I don’t think a litmus test is the answer, since they are extremely easy to misuse. Why not say only landowners should vote? How about only veterans? It’s a dangerous path.
It’s a dangerous path, but does that mean we shouldn’t consider it? Like when you vote you have to correctly identify your candidate’s policies. Or you have to answer some moral question like “rich people are rich because they are in some way inherently better”. Or if you vote anti choice you’re informed “selecting this candidate waives all natal care that may end your fetus’ life including termination of an unviable fetus to save your life, sign your name if you waive your medical rights” if they refuse to sign - your vote don’t count. But a lot of folks are too dumb to get a say in this shit right now. I think the dumbing down of America is 100% orchestrated and intentional, but we need to fix our dumbness for a few generations and get a good level set of “not being a fucking dipshit” before we can trust the random person on the street has more common sense than a bag of mismatched socks.
Or if you vote anti choice you’re informed “selecting this candidate waives all natal care that may end your fetus’ life including termination of an unviable fetus to save your life, sign your name if you waive your medical rights” if they refuse to sign - your vote don’t count.
Even then, that may not work, since people are inclined to think “that’s basically an impossibility, or would only happen if you’re under the influence, or old, it could never happen to me”.
I should be surprised if Farmer expected that she would need abortion care when she voted against it. She likely only realised she would when she found out her pregnancy was non-viable, and tried to get abortion care
then who determines what is logical or empathetic ? i hope ur joking…
Yes, but we can all, even the stupid, agree on a few things, surely?
Gather a handful of random people from your neighborhood and try to decide where to go for lunch. Now, make it several hundred million people from everywhere and have them come up with the definition of “stupid”.
Why put it all on the stupid people? It’s at least as much a problem with people not being accountable for their words, the death of objective and traditional media, the loss of distinction between news and opinion.
The problem with Trump being elected is not just the stupid people who thought that was a good idea but the things he can get away with saying, lack of trusted reporting or fact checking.
I guess instead of reading a few books, we’ll all just have to make the same mistakes that we’ve already made, again, in order to learn anything… Yeah sure, dude, let’s start making people take tests before they can vote. What could go wrong?
This is an explanation of human perception and behaviour, there is nothing controversial about it and easily understood. It is also true that if you stick someone in a creepy haunted house they will naturally feel scared even though it’s Halloween and it’s perfectly safe. The issue is not that humans have these natural tendencies that lead to logical fallacies, the issue is that humans have the capacity to be meta aware of them, process them, and situate them appropriately–skills developed through education and practice/experience–yet we have sociopolitocal movements that encourage the opposite for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
The most fucked up thing about most Leopards Ate My Face types is that the leopard always eats someone else’s face first. This smug turd-lady voted for years to punish everyone she didn’t like. I feel sorry for what a hateful human she is
And she will go back to being a piece of shit after her ordeal, assuming she survives.
She probably still believes all the bullshit too. “too many women are just getting post birth abortions for the funsies” Just the fakest stupidest lies.
