Ummm which 1337 distro we talking about, friend? There’s only one line.
The Linux, GNU/Linux, and BSD ecosystem in general. Since most applications are portable between distributions, an improvement made by one vendor will eventually propagate through everything. A new feature in KDE Plasma will appear both in EndeavourOS and Kubuntu. A security fix in OpenSSH (which is maintained by OpenBSD) will appear in literally all distributions and even Windows.
(edit) This obviously doesn’t include technically Linux/BSD systems like MacOS and Android. Their existence is sacrilege, and while they are on the council, we do not grant them the rank of Linux or BSD distribution.
Linux itself general
Win10 is not that bad. And Me was never as bad as Vista or (especially) 8. Also, Linux is not a linear curve, it’s stepped.
ME was the worst. DOS based windows 9x in a world with Win2k and XP launched only 1 year later
ME Was DOA even if it had been a “flawless” continuation of 98SE
At the time it released, 99% of my software was DOS-based, and in fact I had 1 game that I distinctly remember (Sonic CD) which only ran on Win9x, and could not run on any version of NT. I had no problems with Me, and kept a copy of it on my main PC until XP SP2.
In my experience, Me was far worse than Vista, and 8 was more just annoying than anything. Sound cards were nearly impossible to use in Me.
Yeah, me was an unusable dumpster fire.
Are you implying that macOS is the best OS, because its arrow is the highest in the graph?
Plus why are there no milestones labeled , yet the line has an inflection point so obviously the author has an opinion.
Any idea why MacOSX would trend down recently? I’ve had no objections nor have I heard any. Of course I’m probably in a fanboi echo chamber so could easily have missed someone raining on that parade
3 different graphs. You should superimpose them to read it right.
Are you implying that win10 is worse than win8?
Definitely, yes. Win8 was unusable on desktops but was pretty good on tablets, win10 sucks on both. But the main thing is that spyware/bloatware explosion happened in win10. Xbox services, onedrive, cortana, that weather thing with msn news, fucking candy crush preinstalls, etc, all came with win10.
Which are all significantly better than Mac OS and are especially better than Linux
Try to install windows 10 on hdd and see for yourself, Linux works fine no matter which device it’s loaded from, windows before 10 did too
I have Windows 10 LTSC installed on an old hard drive and it works fine.
I’ve ran through 3 win 10 HDD computers and they all had sorts of performance issues with HDD. I don’t think it was tested beyond bootup for HDD.
I guess it depends on what your standards are for ‘fine’, or maybe it’s a 10k rpm drive. Win 10 on a standard HDD is dog shit, I personally had to upgrade several offices from HDD to SSD when Windows 10 came out.
Got any recommendations for backing up / migrating systems to a new drive? I’d be willing to try it but I don’t forsee enough benefit to warrant reinstalling everything on that machine.
If you have a hard drive reader and spare thumb drive it’s not too hard. Just put clonezilla on the thumb drive, boot it, put the new drive in the reader, and clone your old drive onto the new one.
Back in the day I usually just put a fresh install on the SSD and downloaded their personal files from the network copy. I found that upgrading from 7 to 10 had a uncomfortably high failure rate, so it was easier to just put a fresh install of 10 on and go from there.
Oh I’m never upgrading. That would be crazy.
The sad thing about being a Windows user is they’ve got you between a rock and a hard place. You either upgrade or lose support, and in a lot of cases you can’t upgrade without buying a new system.
I know a lot of people resist learning Linux, but it really is the only way out of the cycle. You can start small at first, dip your toes in. Before long it will feel more natural and familiar than the next release from Redmond. On that day you will be free.
Why would you install Windows 10 on a hard drive? If your computer is that old, you want 7 or XP
Are 7 and XP still supported?
No, but what are you going to do? Install WIn10 on a computer that’s too old and doesn’t meet the minimum specs?
If you have a 2010 computer, it’s either old Windows or Linux, modern WIndows is going to suck, if it even works. Ergo, i can’t think of a circumstance where you’d want/have to install Win10 on a hard drive instead of an SSD.
Maybe shits and giggles, similar to running Doom on random stuff? If someone has more imagination than me then i’m open
Modern linux mint with zram works flawlessly on lga775 4gb ram and Nvidia gt210 and hdd as main and only drive
If you’re still running 10 does it matter?
For a month or two
Can confirm. Win 10 on hdd is torture.
I am missing something. Where else would you install Windows but the HDD? (I haven’t installed windows in 20 years so I don’t know)
I think they are talking HDD vs SSD.
Old person thanks you
If you’ve not yet tried putting an OS on an NVME drive, it’ll change your life. Or at least speed up your computing.
An SSD ? It’s about disk speed. The HDDs speed limit make win 10 sluggish as hell. While not as bad, even Linux (mint) is starting to be affected by this.
I used both on HDD. They are both slow but while Mint is predictably slow and stable, Win10 can grind to a halt unexpectedly.
My pc on win 10 took 20 to 30 min just to to start up. 🥲
Windows philosophy is that it comes pre-installed and should be used with recent hardware. You may think of that what you will (environment wise etc), but to me that’s a valid design choice to make, in principle.
Yea, I’d say Win10/11 is on the same good/shit cycle as always
Though whether Win12 breaks it and continues the shitty trend is highly likely at this point
Highly disagree, 10 is just worse than 7. Its more like a downward spiral.
I’d call it a damped spring oscillation. Still goes up and down, but the extremes peter out with time.
7 > 10 > 8 > 11
On this graph 10 should be where 8 is and 8 should be where 10 is, 11 is exactly where it should be
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Dude, I am all for people trying and stuff.
I can tell that you are just starting out in the graph game, and that is cool and all. But compare to OP yours looks terrible. I’m not trying to be mean, I’m just trying to save you from the embarrassment.
Take another look at OPs graph and pay attendtion to the different thickness in the lines and the unpredictable curves.
I don’t think people got the sarcasm :(
Wait, did you write an actual function for that graph?
Yes
The Windows function is
cos(pix) + 1The Linux function is
0.05x^2 - 1/2 cos(pix)
Easy to have a constant upward trend when you start off in your parents basement…
I liked Vista (I was never a RAM peasant & I liked the glass theme) and hated XP.
I was also always sad how Me was brutally sodomised by shitty third party drivers (who just renamed 98 drives).
I considered W8 and 11 just as mediocre moneygrabs or maybe a marketing stunt.
The colouring is shit, MacOS turns red at its peak. So, was it good or bad at that moment?
Yeah, and Linux is green all the way through, even though according to the depicted MacOS scale it should only be hitting bright yellow levels at the peak.
So good, it’s bad
It was the best of OS, it was the worst of OS.
Made in China moment.
Red is good in the east, green is bad.
Windows Vista was better than 8 and 10, a lot of legacy devices in industry kept extended Vista support for years and years.
Having used both, Windows Vista was much worse than windows 8.
Yes, this is my experience also, it was stable and only a few (at the time) legacy bs didn’t work out of the box.
Charting is ops passion!!
Vista wasn’t that bad. The dodgy selling it on computers that couldn’t handle it was an issue (much like they still do with selling laptops with only 32gb storage).
I still think it was one of the nicest looking - black taskbar with the start button sticking up, sidebar widgets, aero glass etc
You’re absolutely right about this. 7 is basically a Vista service pack that got rebranded.
All of the “good stuff” people credit 7 with came in Vista.
I think some of the biggest complaints about Vista were its poor driver support and over-active UAC. You couldn’t hardly do anything on the computer without UAC bugging you for permission when Vista first came out.
“couldn’t do anything”
This was a third-party implementation problem, not an OS issue.
By the time Third party software stopped being all loosy-goosey like the OS was windows XP, Microsoft had already re-branded the OS to Win7.
Vista’s UAC wasn’t any more problematic than sudo is.
I remember the hardware situation being very fucked, due to driver authors not updating their shit in time and people trying to get their older stuff working which worked fine under XP, but was incompatible with Vista’s new driver model. It took a couple years until the release of 7 for most of those issues to get ironed out.
It was never stable for me. I remember I had a laptop that would always refuse to shut down because “shutdown.exe” was running
Brutal
You know, when i watched Metalocalypse i was very surprised that they say that maybe three times in the whole show and that’s it
I wonder if that was actually malware.
Possible, I was a foolish tinkerer with little experience. I’m now a professional foolish tinkerer.
MacOS should be a flatline
Nah. Snow Leopard was peak UI and Mojave was the last tolerable version. I really need to make it a winter project to customize my desktop to have some of the UI elements that got lost in Mac.
I would put win8 lower and win10 as a slight rise but not up to win 7 territory and then plummet. osx should plummet with the iosification of it.
comparing macos to gravity’s rainbow just smells right
Windows 10 is good, so I don’t trust the rest of this now.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I think 11 is pretty great from a technical standpoint. The only real issue I have is modern standby…I miss having laptops that actually go to sleep and aren’t dead a day later. But that’s a fight I’ve given up on.
Now…the ads, MS accounts requirements, tracking and telemetry, the pre-installed bloat like News (a glorified clickbait aggregator), Movies and TV, Office, etc. make what is technically fine into a garbage experience.
Used to be able to create a list of file path shortcuts that are visible when you right click the file explorer icon pinned to the taskbar. The shortcuts I made in a previous version of windows are still present and functional. But it can’t add new ones. Best it can do is add another file explorer icon for each new shortcut.
You can still drag excel files to an Excel icon pinned to the taskbar, and it adds them to the single list of individual Excel files “pinned” to Excel.
It just doesn’t let you add shortcuts to the pinned file explorer icon anymore. I had a whole workflow based on being able to quickly and easily access a handful of commonly used folders and ms office files. Makes no sense to remove useful functions that already worked.
Afaik you can still download tools to revert to win10 taskbar. Not that I disagree it’s super dumb, I didn’t update for a long time due to the force merged taskbar icons. If I wanted to use gnome I’d use gnome. I want my 27 inches of real estate used, not to dick around with animations.
