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Sen. Roger Marshall (R-KS) introduced a bill this week to legally erase transgender people, entitled the “Defining Male and Female Act of 2024.” He claimed that the bill will stop what he called the Biden administration’s attempt to “replace biological sex with dangerous radical gender ideology.”
The bill is a long list of terms and definitions, where words like “father” and “girl” are defined with the words “male” and “female.” Those two words are then defined as “an individual who naturally has, had, will have, or would have, but for a congenital anomaly or intentional or unintentional disruption, the reproductive system that at some point produces, transports and utilizes [sperm or eggs for male or female, respectively] for fertilization.”
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I kind of feel like all this spawned from some hot trans-girl turning down one of these shitstains and they’ve never let it go.
To be honest it’s probably all the hot trans-girls turning them down, like there’s a conspiracy or something, but hot trans-girls just don’t like conservative assholes.
He claimed that the bill will stop what he called the Biden administration’s attempt to “replace biological sex with dangerous radical gender ideology.”
bill attempts to stop something that was never occuring
Holy shit, it worked and it hasn’t even been signed yet.
I don’t know about y’all but I don’t remember Kamala or Biden directly spreading information in favor of lgbtq+ values. That’s mostly been Hollywood. There might be some lobbying going on and some shoulder rubbing, but… I mean, I have yet to even hear Biden say the word trans in any real context unless I’m wrong, here. Their stance is less a stance and more of a “you’re human, you’re cool too”.
But the scene does seem to be that the Republican party can just claim they stopped Kaijus and Holy wars and their fanbases will eat it up, so…
“Hey, my podcast said you didn’t exist yesterday.”
…sorry to disappoint you.
That’s mostly been Hollywood.
That is the irony - there is a huge set of butthurt incels that are deeply incensed about what they see happening in culture. They seem to think it has been legislated. Honestly, part of me does wonder if big money is behind trying to annoy just enough of these types to tip things in the favor of the big money party - the Republicans.
Huge companies like Disney seem to almost be setting money on fire to do this…and it has zero to do with Democrats. It also seems to be making more Republicans with the sanctimonious aspect of it all. Representation is one thing, but some of this almost seems like its goes out of its way to give the finger to people that are otherwise kind of apolitical, thus radicalizing them and they blame Democrats for it all…and there is a ready set of Youtube “influencers” set up to get them agitated and outraged about all this, funneling them right into the douchebag universe of angry bros.
Someone should establish a Department of Senate Efficiency to look into whether that is an efficient use of the senates time.
Not a catchy enough name for fuckin Neanderthals to chuckle about
If centrists wanted to be upset about bigotry against trans people, they could have started when they were blaming trans people for Harris losing. They could have started when their candidates were parroting Republican “boys in girls’ sports” bigotry in their own ads.
The indignation here rings hollow because like all the pretended morals of centrism, it is hollow.
For the first time in history we had a president address trans issues in a state of the union. No democratic politicians have enacted legislation against Trans - in fact quite the opposite. But here you stand grandstanding again.
Get over blaming centrists for all your problems and enjoy the next four years
It’s the only options we got in a FPTP. If you think not participating absolves you of any moral agency then you are just naive. I never said the democrats were champions of trans issues. I said steps were being taken in the right direction. They were very small steps, but it was something. Democracy demands vigilance and active participation. Its only as strong as it’s participating individuals. The same goes for any other polity, so don’t delude yourself in thinking that we are immune to corruption in any alternate system either.
Tell me, how happy were you to see the bigotry you agree with at all times repeated by candidates in your own party?
Like what? Got any examples?
Edit: I see just down votes. Anyone got examples??
https://youtu.be/TKBJoj4XyFc?t=714
Colin Allred and Vicente Gonzalez, in their own words.
Edit: I see just down votes. Anyone got examples??
My examples were posted before you made this edit. And you are whining about exactly one downvote.
I remember these now. I find those two candidates and their messaging despicable. However I should caveat: these are two small town local races. They run in stark contrast to the messaging from the President.
I understand the Dnc is a big party tent. In an ideal world I’d love to see a true progressive party take hold in America. The DNC needs a thorough shake up. Im feeling pretty glum about it atm tbh
However I should caveat: these are two small town local races
Allred was running for US Senate. Gonzalez was running to represent TX-34 in the US House of Representatives. I gave you their names and you can use google.
I understand the Dnc is a big party tent.
Yeah, big enough for anti-trans hate and not one but two Cheneys. But fuck progressives.
In an ideal world I’d love to see a true progressive party take hold in America.
And an ideal world is your prerequisite since it means shutting out progressives until that happens.
I personally didn’t shut down progressives. When I say ideal world I’m just stating my preference. As in I’d really like to see a progressive party. Non the other way around.
Ya know, this “guy” goes by the name Roger and wears a suit and tie - why I bet he uses the “mens” bathroom… but how do we even know he’s “male”? No seriously, how do we know he’s not secretly just using the “mens” to try to assault/molest/peep on other alleged “men”?
I mean, if he’s defining “male” then what follows, clearly, are inspections. He should not be exempt from them but, if he truly has nothing to hide, should be willing to be first in line.
wHaT ArE yOu HiDiNg “Roger”?
Imagine if we had a senate that was focused on real political and social issues instead of who has the “right” to go to the bathroom. Fucking nonsense.
I mean they had the chance during 4 years didn’t they
We need media stepping up the messaging that the Right is infatuated with the genitals of people, especially children. Outside of maybe your Dr. (and/or partner), nobody should be talking about, or caring about your genitals to the degree the Right is in this pervy/pedo crusade of late.
The right owns the media. The revolution will not be televised.
They own the traditional media, but not the hundreds of thousands of YouTube and TikTok influencers with millions of followers each.
The revolution will be vlogged.
The revolution will not be hosted on AWS
Might as well define the Earth as flat and the Moon as green cheese while he’s at it.
Do these fuckers have literally nothing else to do than wage wars against reality?
They might try. They’ve already tried to legislate a definition of pi to equal exactly 3.
No, I refuse to believe that’s ever hap-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_pi_bill
Motherfucker…
Yes, because “the” bible.
That’s the level of idiocy we are dealing with. These people have always been among us, and refuse to learn shit. They insist their kids are at LEAST as stupid as they are, lest they claim others are “indoctrinating” their kids with the “woke” agenda and other such nonsense - the terms have changed, the Birchers used other terms for it, like “Communist agenda”, the hatriots in the 90s used terms like “political correctness”, the teabaggers continued to talk about “political correctness”, the qanon types whine about “DEI” and “being woke” and getting “cancelled”.
These people are all the same - qanon crazies == teabaggers == hatriots == Birchers. Only some of the labels have changed.
Maybe a strategy to distract the masses while they and their
supportershandlers steal the country blind.I think you mis-spelled “Likely”.
I know you misspelled “certainly.”
Yes because if they admit reality, none of them should be in power.
It keeps us divided. It misdirects the anger of their base towards something other than how badly they are being fucked.
Never attribute that to malice which can be adequately explained by stupidity… Unless it comes from the mouth of a Republican politician.
They are going to need something to distract from the economic misery all the dumbfucks voted for are going to be getting (along with everyone else).
I mean, if donvict really does tariffs and deportations, we are going to be in the Great Depression 2.0.
Punching down on trans (and gays/lesbians, and POC, and women, and non-xtians, and liberals, and foreigners that they aren’t already deporting) and doing stupid things like trying to get “the” bible being taught in our schools will become priority #1 if the economy goes totally pear-shaped.
Not stating anything in the article isn’t true, but wouldn’t it be better to post a less biased source? That website has a very obvious bias. The other day, someone used motherjones as a source. I know Lemmy is extremely left leaning, but left wing rags shouldn’t be used as legitimate sources.
The headline alone should be enough to avoid that website. No one is trying to erase them. That’s hyperbole.
Legally erase. It’s not hyperbolic, it’s literally what the bill is about.
They’re not even replacing anything, they’re just adding to it. Why do ya’ll even care. Life is already so fucking miserable, even worse when you feel like you’re not even in the right body. Fucking help people. Why is it that seemingly every politician just hates people? Why go out of your wait to be a representative just to make people miserable.
Because picking on ever smaller societal minority classes makes them look hard on the issues. Torturing people that otherwise don’t effect you is easy political points for heartless monsters representing imbeciles.
Exploiting hatred instead of trying to resolve hatred really.
of course I hate the active reduction of freedom. But may I ask, how important is this? Will trans people be able to continue to survive? Existing and being who you believe you are seems to be the important detail which pisses then off. They can’t do anything but be explicitly rude.
Should someone decide to fight you for being trans, I will fight for + with you.
Writing this comment mildly drunk, I’m sure there’s problems with it, but what if it’s like rain off a window, you look at it and ignore it?
Getting rid of Title IX protections is going to make surviving pretty fucking hard if you wind up with a bigoted manager who decides to fire you… Or just companies decide they don’t want to hire trans people at all.
😮💨 it kinda seems like these companies already disengage once they meet via video or in person. Generic reasons are presented, “poor for for the team” etc.
If an HR person is dumb, you’ve possibly got em dead to rights with IX and some kind of evidence. I just think it’s so crazy to disregard someone’s potential just because they want to exist as their internal self.
Over time, that particular org won’t be as successful as the one hiring candidates for effectiveness over appearance, but damn does it suck for the individual bring denied at that time.
This is a precursor to them trying to sue trans people for “fraud” by having documents with the correct gender marker. Also, the cruelty is the point, and this is in itself cruel.
Cripes. The fuckin struggle just to survive never ends. I don’t get what people’s problem is, and at this point an convinced I never will. Fuck em.
Power, control, undiagnosed mental illnesses, capitalism
They can be denied appropriate medical care.
That’s enough reason to help fight the incoming changes, as far as I’m concerned.
“They’re people” is more than enough reason.
There doesn’t need to be some arbitrary condition to be met before you decide that they’re worthy of solidarity.
Hi, please calm down. I agree.
Nah you’re right, for the most part trans issues have been a great source of debate but mild source of actual problems.
Won’t stop either of us being virtually jumped on for saying it, though
@floofloof And this guy is an actual MD, as in medical doctor.
Dr Oz is a real doctor as well. Unfortunately medical school doesn’t prevent people from being delusional. Or giant assholes for that matter
Dr. Oz is the 1 doctor out of 10 who chooses the other brand.
These dumbfucks really seem to believe that trans started with Biden or Obama, don’t they?
Man, I hope all the trans who said they wouldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t talk about them are feeling great about the new government that will be in control during the next few years!
If we used a more representative electoral system, these people would be free to vote for who they want, safe in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against the republicans.
Are you working to replace First Past The Post voting in your state now that we have a few gasps of ait between elections?
Only true if the right isn’t united. With a split left and a united right then the right ends up with the most people elected anyway. The only reason the left got a plurality in France is because it decided to work as a team for once, otherwise the far right would have taken over.
Also, acting like the system isn’t FPTP in the meantime is just acting against your own interests.
This is what centrists think solidarity looks like.
The constant purity testing of candidates/policies?
The entitlement and vindictiveness when that entitlement is not met.
You gotta work with the system you have, you can disagree with it, in the meantime you’re still working against your interests of you decide to not vote for the lesser of two evils.
You gotta work with the system you have, you can disagree with it,
Yeah, I saw how that worked out here on lemmy.
in the meantime you’re still working against your interests of you decide to not vote for the lesser of two evils.
Already voted for Harris. This is about your gross vindictive glee at the misfortune of others.
There is no glee. I’m sorry it seems that way to you. There is a lot of frustration going around. Playing the blame game gets us nowhere. I was part of the problem too blaming non committal lefties. I’m sorry for my past attitude. I’m just not convinced that block has any interest in making change anymore. I think we’re all miserable at the moment. We all have friends or know people that will be personally affected in the next four years so there is absolutely no glee here (at least for me)
I was part of the problem too blaming non committal lefties.
You. Still. Are. That’s the entire fucking point of your Schadenfreude-laden gloating that trans people are going to suffer, just on the off chance that some of them stayed home.
I’m not gloating. I’ve stated as much numerous times. I’m pretty glum about it. I’m disappointed in the DNC overall.
Try to have a convo without getting so bitter all the time. I’m not your enemy.
Wait, if they are erased, can they then become invisible superheroes?
Go back to Reddit
