Tbh, anyone getting actually mad at Biden over Hunter getting pardoned is kind of funny. Like, there’s way way better reasons to have grown to dislike Joe. Oh no, the president pardoned his son for form filing crimes.
Who cares?
He’s Mr. Genocide. This is actually one of the few actually human things he’s done.
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Yo, we’re in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner’s criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you’re still holding on to ethical ideals you’re a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can’t chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.
People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.
EDIT: The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son’s best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I’ve ever seen. If this group is actually just a bunch of super leftist and not foreign manipulation then I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
All the trolls that were “liberals = genocide” or “eggs are $99” or “cant afford gas” while completely ignoring normal egg prices, seriously low gas prices, and trump’s plan to let the Israelis do whatever they want have switched to “Biden bad because pardon!” Again, completley ignoring trump’s pardons of criminals in his administration, family by marriage, and the fact we got a law absolving the president of any “crime” committed while president if the (captured) SCOTUS says it’s fine. But no…who cares about trump. Biden bad!!
Troll? Listen you absolute piece of shit. I sat with my wife while she was talking her friend in Beyrut. The friend had her family bombed. Your country did that. If I ever have a choice between genocide in america and fighting against fascism here, well, I hope you have a place to hide.
Not a USAmerican, so not exactly talking about the politics, but some issues.
The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son’s best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I’ve ever seen
Why not?
It’s not like Trump is supported by the leftists in lemmy.It just shows them that Biden is not very different from Trump. They have been saying that and pushing for 3rd parties or other President nominees.
Biden chooses to do this rather than set guardrails or do something to ensure that Trump is not given free reign.This is further validation for their view.
And since Trump becoming president is a grave thing, does it mean that the Democrats are bad, because they have not done enough to stop it?
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
Palestine is being wiped out even under Biden.
US leaving Nato would be big, but we can never know how the effects would be like, right?Do you think Hunter Biden is safe in the US justice system with Trump in charge?
Oh no a rich brat that actually didn’t pay his taxes and lead a life of luxury and drug use would be attacked for all those things and because his daddy held a welcome in party for fascists whatever will those of us unable to afford shelter and food do?!?!
Sure, your feelings are valid. Just explaining his actions, not justifying them.
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Do you think Hunter would be protected from his own wrongdoings if his dad wasn’t president?
Clearly not, but what’s your point? Biden is president. Not saying it’s right. But I think it’s what any parent would do. Hunter isn’t some moral monster. He’s just messed up more than anything, in the way a kid in his situation might.
Not justifying it, but executive power is insane. Trump will break the law far more destructively with respect to Hunter then this pardon, or at least that’s the fear I imagine Biden has.
Yeah it is weird how self righteous liberals react towards being shown over and over that their group is to blame for this shitshow.
But I doubt the US will ever leave NATO without a coup happening in the US. The US would basically lose more than half their geopolitical influence.
Yo, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change.
So i infer from your attitude you too will be adapting to this change? My dude?
This had better be bait. Fuckin libs mannnnn quit breathing my air
Nah. Liberals gonna do whatever is easy for them and that’s gonna mean being a fascist and then chastising everyone else for making them be like this while they whip harder to see if it makes them feel more alive inside.
I’m really starting to get how germans musta felt and how society just…slipped down. Like I’m looking right at it and my lil eyes are open as they’ve ever been but I’m still really having a hard time internalizing that dude is fr. Fuck me
Yeah, so many of them just complainung currently that they now have to treat everyone worse because “they just have to now that everyone proved they deserve to be treated worse” as if they weren’t just looking for an excuse to not care anymore.
Yeah it’s just easier to decide that this is how the world is and join in on making it worse from a liberals perspective and do it all just to make their life a little less responsible.
So many of them happy to join in punching down cause they finally get to do it toi and it’s easier than continuing to care and treat people well. All they wanted was an excuse.
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Wow, the liberals are straight up admitting their monstrous racism now?
the US leaves NATO
This would be good for the Global South, which is why Trump won’t do it
and western democracy collapses.
The West hasn’t had a workable implementation of Democracy to begin with, though if you finally recognize that are you going to sit out or do something about it?
It’s not an issue that actually affects them so they only pretend to care when it’s easy, then swap back the moment there is no backlash or they get what they want enough to not have to pretend again. That’s like the whole shtick of a liberal.
But we got to love them cause they are the superior liberal.
Yep. Rainbow Imperialism and all that. Weaponizing treating marginalized groups slightly less bad and just watching with glee when the slightly worse group does what it does. Liberals don’t actually care about marginalized people, which is why they shift from advocacy to sadism so easily.
No no no, you don’t understand. We’re not responsible for the consequences of our voting decisions if Kamala ran a weak campaign.
Very well said. I’m NOT looking forward to watching anybody eat crow if all that shit happens. We will have far more pressing concerns than gloating over a bunch of petulant dickweeds who didn’t show up. They didn’t, and that’s that. The reality is settling in that America may be about to end - like every civilization does. It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
No, it wasn’t, it was and still is a fucking genocidal shitshow right from the start to the end which can’t come soon enough.
Not like either side is helping us. Kamala, Democrats, and Joe biden ran the last 4 years quietly and campaigned on no change. They lost the election by not convincing 250k voters in 4 states to not vote for them.
Joe biden pardoning his son is his legacy. Joe said he would be a one term president then tried to run for a second term ruining a primary. Democrats chose Kamala harris and she accepted. This country was founded on old people letting go of power and stepping aside and down. If George Washington wanted to he could have been a king. The old dems are grasping at power and control rather than trusting a populist candidate.
Joe Biden could be abusing his power and fighting for change from the bully pulpit to affect Americans and make an outcry but instead went back in his word twice and pardoned his son abusing his power for selfish gain.
Kamala instead of campaigning to fight hatred and cause change went with joy and changing nothing . She even capituatated to right wing talking points moving Democrats to the right. Even though policy wise leftist policy is good and ppopular policy.
Lastly the democrats ran a Hilary Clinton style campaign being a nerd with stats and defended institutions. Obama won because change Biden won because change.
Nah you just don’t get it cause everyone else is to much of a ducking stupid imbred moron who didn’t get to go to the good school that I went to to realize how I am right about everything in their life and that dumb people don’t have a right to complain because they are stupid anyways and it proves they can’t be trusted until I educate them better which I don’t want to do because I am living a better life than them in every way.
So like it’s not the Dems fault and people should just accept what’s best for them and be ready to be used as a scapegoat whenever we throw a tantrum for things not going out way and just leave without doing anything cause they don’t even deserve kindness anymore even though we have totally been kind the whole time!
/Hard S
But tell them they are talking to people all wrong and suddenly we are all Russian bots, or trolls, or secretly Trumpers cause true friends (good followers) should just accept them as already perfect like they see themselves.
Ugh.
Not like the democrats immediately accepted Republicans and framed leftists as the problem with their campaign while moving to the right
But tell them they are talking to people all wrong and suddenly we are all Russian bots, or trolls, or secretly Trumpers
This bit is generally in response to the fact that the only time this rhetoric is heard is right before an election. Where was this talk and push for change the last four years? Where were the mass protests when Biden was in office and might have listened to a shutdown? Or at any point when the world wasn’t staring down the barrel of a new hitler?
You can want positive change from your own political party while also acknowledging that they are still standing on higher ground than an actual Nazi. Time and a place for each.
We just get ignored cause it isn’t a problem for liberals until elections.
I kept protesting, I kept saying the same thing. Lots of other people too! I even tried to get into political positions and worked with others in them to be told no and still constantly ignored.
Just cause you are ignorant to the conversation and the work still going on and only hear about it cause it’s an election and you are paying attention does not make it our faults.
No liberals wait until it’s the brink of disaster and complain that it’s everyone else that didn’t do enough to make you stop and pay attention while the whole time liberals constantly tell everyone to pipe down and not make a fuss.
How dare you blame us for not doing more. You want to see the failure of the system look in a mirror and stop blaming those of us screaming to desperately get anything done.
Let’s face it for elites… They are not American, they are Elites that use America as their playground … The Biden tanked the Harris campaign out of spite and don’t care who gets in as it doesn’t really affect them.
These are extremely rich people… Unless we are in Red China, they have nothing to fear
Red China is long gone mon ami. Communism with Chinese Characteristics loves the rich, but only if you’re aligned to the correct clique.
Fair point👍
I was saying fair point that China today is not that of the 70’s …
There is a corrupt rich class in China and the communist party is struggling to “harmonize”
Then again, I would not wish to Be the leader of a billion people… It’s not easy decision for sure…
This is a common statement by those who haven’t read theory, especially among the Western Left, but this isn’t true in any capacity. Billionaires are regularly executed in the PRC, the fact that the PRC has a private sector doesn’t mean it has shifted away from Marxism-Leninism. The entire reason Marx predicted Socialism, ie Public Ownership and Central Planning, to overtake Capitalism is because markets naturally prepare the foundations for Socialism. Competition forces more and more companies to consolidate and grow, develop their own infrastructure for planning, which can be siezed and used by the public.
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
-Engels, The Principles of Communism
Half the economy of the PRC is in the Public Sector, and another almost tenth is in the cooperative sector. The Private Sector covers mostly light industry that depends on Publicly Owned industries like steel and public infrastructure. As Capital consolidates in the Markets, the CPC increases ownership. I recommend reading Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Markets are more efficient at lower levels of development, and Public Ownership and Planning is more efficient at higher levels of development.
If you want to learn more about Marxism, I made an introductory Marxist reading list.
No offense, but Harris more than capably tanked her own campaign by being as milquetoast as biden when it comes to supporting the working class.
None taken, however my comment and yours can both be true which is my concern…
From various reports it would seem that President Biden is quite a nasty little thing that, with his wife, have a very overinflated view of themselves… (what président doesn’t I guess) however he has been vindictive for being ousted for the president debste(which was a no brainer…) and honestly I truly believe that he did on purpose to tank Harris.
She has herself to blame for sure however, even Bill Clinton through his speach about the middle eastern conflict stired up the wrong tone…
The democratic party is in need to a cleanup… Then again I would say the same of the republican as well as they are under the leadership of a loon… (thinking of Black Adder with King George III)
Yeah but had harris done the correct thing and disowned biden’s policies (critically around israel and corporate water carrying) and been a decent human being and supported working americans. biden wouldn’t have been able to impact shit.
Yup, this is the comment to be remembered for the 2028.100%agreed
It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.
They didn’t punch us directly. They paid people for that. That’s why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?
You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.
There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.
He’s retiring and can help his one son. If I were him, I would have said “fuck it.” too…
I also would have said fuck it and have Trump and friends sent to guantanamo.
Thanks to Trump judges, Presidents have Absolute Immunity.
Joe can absolutely start draining the swamp.
The time to do this would’ve been immediately after it was discovered that Trump took classified documents and had them in his home during visits from foreign agents.
The Republicans would’ve howled about it, but I think it could have been done, at that moment. Like, have the first news about it not be talking about the documents, but simply that former President Trump has been detained and will not be allowed to communicate with anyone but his legal representation, because of suspicion of potential coded communication to enemy agents.
And the people clearly voted overwhelmingly for fascism. So like, why go against the will of the people?
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Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
Wait when did Biden abuse his powers to prevent fascism?
Currently he’s creating a comfy transition for one to become president.
That was the point, he didn’t. he used it selfishly for his son. which is understandable. but we’re mocking him for it because he didn’t use it to do anything useful. Which coincidentally is also why we didn’t want to keep him or harris as president.
Ah, thanks!
DNC: We’re the friendly fascists. We choose the corporation over the people in all aspects. We still worship the oligarchy the MAGA fascists will incorporate, we just choose the honey of caring about social issues as opposed to the vinegar of hating the others.
They have some good policy. So don’t forget that. If Americans voted based on policy alone they would do themselves a lot more good. That said, the DNC fails to win elections and have sceded so much power to the GOP already they might as well be the same.
They only have “good” policy when they know it’ll fail.
Not true
Everyone who is upset about this fails to comprehend that the world has fundamentally changed since then and Americans literally voted trump into office.
Either that or they’re paid trolls. Hard to tell sometimes.
It’s funny how they will be all hush hush when he starts pardoning the j6 morons.
Everyone that criticizes Biden or democrats must surely be a paid troll or not understand the world like me the adult in the room
Do you people not realize we hear this tritte smug bullshit day in an day out and it doesn’t make you sound smart.
You don’t understand that republicans are trying to outrage you over nothingburger after nothingburger. Its OK, it takes a long time to learn that lesson, but until you do you’re playing into fascist hands.
You don’t understand that we don’t actually give a fuck about the pardon of Hunter, it is a demonstration of all the shit he could do to help people in his last days in office, just going ham with pardons and executive orders and he did literally nothing, not even student debt relief. Do not talk to me like a child when you yourself come in here not even knowing wtf YOU are talking about.
This condescending bullshit from someone that doesn’t even understand what is so infuriating about this move in the absence of helping actually deserving people is what everyone is shitting on him for. I am not even outraged because I am not surprised. What does outrage me are liberals like you that don’t even understand what everyone is dunking on.
Thank you for encapsulating my point so succinctly. Biden has been trying to pass student debt relief for his entire presidency. The fact that we’re still talking about this falls squarely on the shoulders of the repugnants and no one else. And for anything else he could do by executive order, there’s no point since the incoming dictator can and will just undo it all, and is already on record saying he’s going to do exactly that.
You live in a fantasy land he could literally cancel it all right now unilaterally which can’t just be undone by the next president, he could go full fucking stalin and imprison the people YOU are calling a dictator and fascists but you don’t give a fuck because none of this affects you personally and if the left did come for any of your treats and ill gotten gains you earn on the blood of the global south you’d become a fascist in a heartbeat your self. You don’t even know how the US government works and you keep talking down to me. Fuck off dude quit simping for a guy that hates you and is prosecuting a genocide. Your belligerent ignorance is not welcome here drag your garbage ass opinions back to reddit they love dolts like you.
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I’ve been trying to say this I don’t ever want to hear republicans complain about people again Unwritten rules are out the window
The double standards on this are driving me mad, good on him tbh
I’m gonna grab a lot of popcorn 🍿 when Trump supporters suffer under the upcoming tariffs
umm, how about just having standards?
Why wouldn’t he pardon others with the same charges?We all have standards. That’s not the problem. You can have all the standards in the world when a fascist takes over. You can keep having standards as they walk you to the camps. And you can clutch tightly to the standards when they bring you to the showers. The world’s about to change my dude.
Who GAF. If Americans didn’t want a Trump dictatorship, the 10 million who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn’t bother to vote in 2024 should have fucking shown up and voted for Harris - in spite of blaming her for Gaza, or not liking that she used to be a prosecutor and therefore theoretically MUST have sent innocent black guys to prison, or being sick of no good choices, or whatever their half-assed reason was for doing nothing. At this point Biden can have Seal Team Six take out Santa Claus for all I care.
Kamala had every chance to appeal to those voters, define herself as a candidate, and provide answers for our economy, which at the end of the day is the one thing that really matters to voters. Instead, she pretended everything was fine, adopted narratives from the right and allowed them to posture like they have all the solutions, so she could look like an incompetent and feckless alternative to Republicans for people that were never going to vote for a Democrat anyways.
As a result, she very predictably failed to mobilize her own base. That is not the fault of the american public, and all of you scratched liberal vote shaming “democracy protectors” were never going outflank such an abysmal national campaign.
The Democrats are okay with bleeding voters and losing elections to fascists if the alternative is to challenge the power of capital, and the time has come to reckon with the fact that they are nothing but another obstacle in the fight for the people of this country.
Cheers to that!
I think we need to be done being talked down to by liberals who at the end of the day don’t actually care or feel a need to act.
I’m sorry but the fact that people are so outraged with Biden for doing this is exactly why Kamala lost.
Trump and the Democrats are held to completely different standards. Trump is willing to fight dirty to win at all costs, and that’s why he won. It sucks to hear but it’s true.
You’re absolutely right that they dont fight dirty enough. Hiwever, I’d say that Democrats lost largely because Kamala was too cowardly to distance herself from biden and his awful policies. She lost because she chose to court moderate Republicans (who gave her the finger and voted for the fascist. Big surprise!).
Biden pardoning his loser son does nothing for the most marginalized folks who will have to deal with Trump’s fascist regime in the coming year. It’s not a good look that the only time Biden “fights dirty” is to serve his own interests.
Democrats are also willing to fight dirty to win at all cost. They just did
You are confused what winning means for them. It is not forgiving student loan or raising minimum wage.
New York Times gonna blame this when he falls from a building in January
I want to be mad, but this is nothing compared to who trump pardoned.
compared to who Trump pardoned
…and will soon add himself to that list.
I’m torn.
It’s bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I’d fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.
Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that’s almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend’s house in a state where it’s legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.
But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump’s sycophants will absolutely cling to this.
I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.
That’s a pretty bold assertion that Biden is not doing anything useful to Americans.
Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.
Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president
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Noone is criticizing Biden for pardoning his son. Theyre criticizing him for ONLY pardoning his son and doing jack shit besides that. Im happy that his son has someone willing to use the system to help him, i wish the rest of you did too.
Unfortunately Biden is known for packing up the slavery prisons with people who in any just country shouldn’t be there and keeping them there for the profits of corpos. In this light him pardoning his son is even worse than just nepotistic abuse of power.
They’ll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden’s case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.
