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Bro people just gonna walk around that wall.
And we should let them. People can choose in what to believe in and we shouldnt disallow it. The point is secularism. Church and state should be separate. When organized religion is kept out of public schools, with time, religion slowly fades away as there is less need for it.
Not disagreeing, image is just kinda dumb
It is dumb, its propaganda. Theres very little artistic merit here… its just too on the nose. I mean, do we really need arrows pointing at everything stating the obvious?
Yeah, I’m kinda tired of seeing content like that even if I agree with main sentiment. Low quality political content is low quality even if it’s about polices I support, being separation of church and state.
Yes, mainly because religion in the government is degrading rational thought.
When organized religion is kept out of public schools, with time, religion slowly fades away as there is less need for it.
Is there data to support this? As much as I would love that to be true, I’ve got my doubts. Most religions are not taught in western schools. Despite that, parallel societies are established where a specific religion is fostered. Children are sent to private religious schools and the religion is uphold by these communities.
(This is not an argument against secularism. I’m indeed in favour of keeping proselytizing subjects out of school. Just questions the effect on the evolution of religious demographics.)
You are correct to question it. I honestly have not looked into whether it is causality or just correlation. Based on my own observation, being from a historically catholic region: churchgoing has faded vastly in 30 years, state and public school is secular.
Obvously, you are going to have communities where religion is fostered and the culture preserved. I dont really see a problem in it though. We cant really expect it to go away, nor should we work towards forcing it to go away. An example may be pagan religions which were forcefuly brought down more than a thousand years ago, yet have not been rooted out even today as neo pagan variants are poping back up.
That’s outside of scope
Not without science they won’t! /s
The science of… Geography…
I recognize this artist instantly - it’s Matt Wuerker, a fellow student from Lewis & Clark College. He and I worked on the school paper at the same time - he had already developed his distinctive cartooning style at that age. I don’t recall ever talking with him, so I srsly doubt he would remember me, but I’ve always been a fan of his work. He’s one of the more distinguished L&C grads IMO - along with Monica Lewinsky and actress Markie Post (RIP, best known as the beautiful lawyer on Night Court).
How about religious classes in the schools.
How about no?
(Its not forced)
Yet
I remember when Lauren Boebert said the church should be telling the government what to do, and the crowd she said this to cheered.
Texas just passed a law that gives extra funding to public schools that teach the Bible.
Checked my Texas municipal property taxes recently. We’ve dropped ISD funding by 30% over five years. Meanwhile, city police spending has surged by 25%.
So I’m paying slightly less than I did five years ago, but over $1k/year of that has simply been a transfer from teachers to cops.
They urgently need russian orthodox popes on payroll
Are you comparing raw dollars or percentage of property tax? Accounting for inflation and the increase of your property value? What about the whole situation where Texas collects the taxes but only disburses up to some amount to schools. Probably easier to just look at the ISD financials. Just need to remove all expenses for non education activities, like sports and administration. I wonder if the ISD funding also gets used to pay for ISD specific police. Just asking questions, without actually doing the work, betting teachers have lost way more than 30% in 5 years. Texas government is actively trying to prove that public education doesn’t work so they can justify privatization, and bring back legal segregation plus religious schooling funded by taxes.
Are you comparing raw dollars or percentage of property tax?
Raw dollars. I paid $2980 to HISD in 2019 and $2035 to HISD in 2024. Incidentally, my housing price has increased 20% over this same time.
Texas government is actively trying to prove that public education doesn’t work so they can justify privatization, and bring back legal segregation plus religious schooling funded by taxes.
Yup
Does it specify which bible?
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Everyone once in while they pop up with a hella funny way to protect human rights. It’s great
Meanwhile, in my country, laicism is mandatory for public schools.
USA: What about second Church? We can cut school.
Maybe I’m even more cynical, but it feels like us evangelical christianity is being used as a tool. A gullible fool.
So all these old gheezers are vaguely pushing for a US Christian nationalism… But coronated someone who doesn’t really care about that beyond how they can elect him, and basically shoved their values out the the party’s window.
And US youth is increasingly less Christian. Including Trump supporting youth.
So… I’m not even worried about this long term, relative to everything else to worry about. There will be short term scares, but post Trump Trumpism is not going to be very religious.
Orange man indeed doesn’t care.
It’s the people whispering in his ear that are pushing their brand of Christianity™ to positions of power.You have to be gullible to become an evangelical in the first place.
Evangelical Christianity has absolutely been used as a political tool for the past generation.
EvangelicalChristianity has absolutely been used as a political tool forthe past generationeverFTFY
Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation would like a word. Or not. They do better when no one pays attention to them.
What about private schools?
Private schools are just that: privately funded. I used to attend a private “Christian school” and they were very open about what they would / wouldn’t be teaching there.
Taking money from public funds and use it to encourage religious teaching is wrong. Especially when their morals include “x people are less than/must submit to y people” and “people who do [fill in the blank] are sinning against God and their actions are unambiguously wrong”.
It’s a slippery slope, especially because my family went down a path of “physical and mental illness is a result of your sins and spiritual shortcomings.” I personally know of at least 3 pastors (whose church I used to attend) who have a child who eventually committed suicide. They do not see a connection.
It’s evil.
France passed such a law.
In 1905.
Damn, Russia was late to the party. Only in 1918. Until Pu made state part of
KGBChurch again.
Watson Heston had no trouble explaining this to people via cartoon in the 19th century.
Bonus cartoon:
The funny thing is, being anti religion in public schools was a Protestant thing in the 19th century US. The KKK were also very much in favor of public education without religion, and advocated for laws against private schools. Private schools were associated with Catholicism, until integration - you can see the allusion with the shadow of the mitre in the second image.
Evangelical Christians have really just been throwing a decades long fit over the fact that Black children get to go to the same school as their kids.
In general, but in Heston’s case, he really hated all religion. Sometimes to a degree that turned into racism. But most of his comics are still pretty funny. I can somewhat forgive a Victorian-era racist considering the time they were living in. He definitely reserved most of his time to hating on Christianity and the Bible. In very pithy and entertaining ways.
That second one is legitimately one of the best political cartoons I’ve see
I love most of Heston’s stuff. Although some of it is pretty antisemitic, at least from this atheist Jew’s perspective.
Religion belongs in private not public
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The religions will pay for it! It worked so well with the last wall…
Now we just have to move the state away from science… maybe another wall?
It’s already pretty far…
Speaking as someone who lives in a state where for a long time, you couldn’t have an ectopic pregnancy terminated.
Speaking as someone who lives in a country that denies climate change and the efficacy of vaccines.
Seems like in the last 20 years, the government (mainly republicans) have dismissed scientists and experts when making policy, instead preferring to legislate around feels and lobbyists.
Children needs to be taught religion in a way they can comprehend the reasons to believe them, and make them understand what they’re believing in it. Otherwise cults can take over to exploit the lack of knowledge in religion.
If there were any valid reasons to believe a religion was true, there wouldn’t be a problem with teaching it in school.
Children need to be taught religions/cults are a means to bypass their logic and reason and appeal to their emotions, usually because they want something from them.
Especially the religions/cults that have high pressure recruitment.
And remember, the only difference between a cult and a religion is scale.
It would be better to teach critical thinking and how to recognize logical fallacies. No need to teach one specific scam that people fall for.
