Sometimes, the best thing they can do is to not say anything. Walz could have said nothing, and pretty well nobody would have been upset about it.
no campaigning or politicking here, just pure statesman. his words are absolutely appropriate and expected from a government leader.
Which is part of the problem. This whole expectation that our leaders should hide their true feelings and motivations behind a veil of niceties only serves their goals of hiding such things from the people trying to figure out who to vote for. We should know who our politicians are as actual people, since it’s the person they are in private that will motivate their actions within the government, not the nice face they put on for the public.
As I understand it, that is a large part of Trump’s success with certain groups.
Admittedly, that turns off people who don’t agree with what you’re saying…
Does he comment on every death? If not, then he shouldn’t say anything here either.
United “Healthcare” is headquartered in Minnesota, and for high profile deaths relevant to the state, yeah he kinda does.
Wait until he hears about all the people who have died after getting denied by them.
In that case, I wonder just how much “United” “Healthcare” has put in his coffers.
Apparently they knew eachother personally…
In response to the killing, public officials including Minnesota governor and former Democratic vice president nominee Tim Walz and Senator Amy Klobuchar, expressed dismay and offered condolences to the family. Walz said that he knew Thompson.[26]
It says on the wikipedia page.
I’m almost certain it’s not zero, I think I saw an article about that a few years ago. UHC, like a lot of companies, throws some money at every viable major politician in the state. That’s where we’re at with how fucked up US politics is.
Ah yes, the actual original meaning of politically correct.
His words were awful and defending a mass murderer that has killed at least tens of thousands of Americans just during his tenure because their boss decided to cheap out is beyond disgusting for a political candidate, much less someone in office that wants to remain in office with all their body parts still attached.
Politicians have to say a lot of things whether they mean them or not.
I like ex-New York Mayor Ed Koch’s take on voting. “If you agree with me 51% of the time, vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, see a psychiatrist.”
Politicians do NOT have to run a dishonest campaign. They just can’t help themselves. Inb4 the obligatory BoTh SiDeS comment.
We do really seem to be selecting for it based on who wins tho
The winner always lies to get in. The fucked up thing is that the loser does too
Agreed, I think that he should have said nothing or perhaps bring out the point that beyond how people may or may not feel we should not aim to live In a society that privilege vigilante that take justice in there hand as it can quickly slip into a very bad place… I see people suggesting a purge… I would recommend those people go out and meet some of the victims of the Rwandan genocide and see how they feel with there so called brave words…
It’s easy to spout such things using social media because we are anonymous but we do not want such violence to reproduce itself… This is how collateral damage happens. In Montreal an 11 year old child died because of a car bomb that was set by the Rock Machines as retaliation against the Hells Angel’s… No one won that day, we only lost a fraction of our soul as a society when we had to bury a child.
This is the problem, this time someone did a clean shot, what if the killer choses bombs and causes collateral damage. Will any of you sacrifice your children for this so called justice?
Deny, Defend, Depose
We need bumper stickers of this.
Any clue why it said depose instead of defend?
There have been rumors that the guy got 4 bullets engraved: delay, deny, defend, depose. But only 3 have been recovered. Or that 4 were recovered but news outlets reported incorrectly.
All rumors.
remember when everyone thought this guy was gonna secretly turn bernie-bro the Kamala campaign into being good
No.
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Idk why you made it gendered but ok
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I mean, it’s all there in your comment? Girl boss is about as gendered a term as you can get. Obviously you didn’t invent it.
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The K Hive?
I have never heard or seen in all the election coverage Harris supporters calling themselves that. Nor do you need to get snarky when someone calls you out for maybe being a little flurmy, even if you didn’t mean to be. The bear, indeed.
He was a best a signal Kamala was going to be a departure from Biden. There were a few weeks where that seemed to be the case too.
If anybody ever believed that, they were a fool. Kamala’s campaign promises were to tax the rich and legalize weed, Tim Walz from a deeply conservative district was the moderate to balance her out.
Bourgeois parties support bourgeois fat cats? Nihil novi. A proletarian mass party must be built urgently. Revolutionary Communists of America do a lot of laudable effort in that direction.
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google translates from latin
so true!
You can’t get elected in the USA if your party calls itself Communist.
Yes that’s why the rotten system of choosing a slave master every few years, of the duopoly of parties which are equally complicit in war crimes and are on the payslip of big business must be replaced with bottom-up system of lively democracy within worker, student and tenant councils
Dunno. Thoughts and prayers is seen as some as politicaleze for bless your heart.
I think Governor Walz is successfully threading the needle here.
i will believe this if at any point in the near future the man comments on the popular reaction to this event in relation to the need for national healthcare.
he won’t but that’s what i would believe if he did.
You and he were… buddies, weren’t you?
Read the room, Tim.
the billionaire surveillance guy wants us all to start wearing glasses that record everything.
that is to protect the billionaire surveillance guy not to protect the rest of us just like cops wearing body cams is not to protect non-cops. they would even build in a way to remotely disable the bodycams if they could.
surprise surprise.
that said seeing United Health’s stock drop more than 25% since open this morning does feel like xmas. I’m all in on them losing money and status and access to protection. but without them having to live in the fear that the rest of us have for decades is a bit of a … i don’t have a word for that.
As it was said on Some More News. The democrats should harness the hatred towards the rich elites instead of playing into Trump’s anti-immigrant game.
That’s not how political parties work, though. Political parties are largely ideological institutions, they exist first and foremost not to win elections but to propagate an ideology, and winning the election is just a sign that they succeeded in their goal of convincing people of their ideology, and so now enough people agree that it can take root in the state. When political parties lose, it’s very rare that they will interpret their loss as “we need to abandon all our values to match the opinion polls.” No, they interpret their loss as meaning they failed in their goal of convincing people of their values, and thus should change their strategy of their out-reach, not changing their whole ideological position.
Democrats going against the rich elites would be an abandonment of their party’s values and everything they stand for. In most countries, if you dislike the ideology of a party, you vote for someone else. The party itself has no obligation to change its entire ideology for you, such a thing very rarely occurs. If that was the case, then every political party would all have the exact same position, just all copy/pastes of whatever the opinion polls say.
I keep seeing all this bizarre rhetoric about how if the Democrats were “smart” they would just abandon their whole party’s platform and adopt some other platform, but this makes zero sense, because you have to consider motivation. Their motivation is not to just win the election, but to convince you of their ideology, and abandoning their ideology does not achieve this. Democrats are not stupid, they just don’t have the same motivations as you. Yes, they want to win, but they ultimately want to win on their platform, not on someone else’s platform.
That’s how political parties work. They have a platform, and the platform is paramount. If a green party adopted all pro-coal and pro-oil lobby positions just to win an election, that would not be a “smart” decision for them, because, even if it leads to their victory, it still is an abandonment of their ideology. Democrats are unabashedly a pro-rich elite party, it should not be smart for them to become anti-elite, because it is not aligned with their motivations.
no! we need to become transphobic!
(satire)
Any political that is praising that jackass getting what his due will get my loyalty, that’s for sure.
Maybe it’s because the guy is a relevant public figure, and if he were to say something along the lines of “the bastard deserved it” he’d face a ton of consequences for it? This is so much easier to do in an online space where you are anonymous, especially in an admittedly echochambery place like lemmy.
I do recall the Trump’s first assassination attempt, and some celebrities (can’t recall the names right now) did come out and say something along the lines of “shame the guy missed” which made the media start hounding and targeting them, with their colleagues being forced to disavow or kick them from their projects entirely.
It would be cool if Tim Walz or any influential figure went “rip bozo” regardless though
Instead of saying what he said here, Walz could’ve just not said anything and nobody would’ve batted an eye, aside maybe from some shareholders at “United” “Healthcare”
Yeah, fair point
nd if he were to say something along the lines of “the bastard deserved it” he’d face a ton of consequences for it?
Right because american politicians totally get consequences for their words lmao. Where have you been since 2016?
I had the impression this was a privilege exclusive to the conservatives
So close to being a empathetic human while not being a corporate shill.
Politicians are almost all sociopaths, not even trying to be funny. Sometimes they do things you like and sometimes they dont, but that never has anything to do with the interests and priorities of citizens. They are just people whose job is acting their entire life according to some doctrine, they dont have real personalities.
The political system we live under is rotting. It’s holding us back, suffocating real democracy, and clinging to relics of an era we should’ve buried centuries ago. Why are we still pretending centralized power structures, dominated by presidents and parliaments, are the best we can do? It’s time to turn the whole thing upside down. Imagine power flowing not from the top down but bubbling up from councils—real, grassroots bodies in towns, workplaces, and universities where people directly decide what matters to them. No presidents. No untouchable elites. Just democracy as it was meant to be: local, participatory, and alive.
Critics say that direct democracy would be too costly and cumbersome in large countries. But that’s a lie told to make us think power belongs anywhere but in our hands. The truth is, it doesn’t work their way—infrequent, clunky referenda that barely scratch the surface of what real participation looks like. But why not councils that meet regularly, that use technology we already have to count votes and hear every voice? Why not frequent, transparent, and accessible decision-making? We have the tools. What we lack is the will—and that’s on us.
And about the politicians. They’ve turned ruling into a career. They live above us, pocket bribes, rub shoulders with CEOs, and laugh at the idea of accountability. Enough. All representatives should be recallable at any time, earning no more than the median worker’s salary. Partial sortition (random official selection) could ensure even more fairness. It worked in ancient Greece which was (for the free male citizens ofc) closer to actual democracy than the unaccountable neo-aristocratic order we have today, so why not today when we have the formal equality before the law and equal rights, but we know the reality.
But if no one will be above anyone because everyone will get their chance to actually change something about the world and their life without running into the stone walls of the system, it will be a complete revolution in human relations that will uproot the poisonous root of disdain so many feel for their fellow humans for simply being worse off than them.
Imagine a system where politics isn’t about who has power but about how power flows and where the needs of the people are actually heard and resolved. Blockchain (and no, I’m abso-fucking-lutely not a cryptobro. PoW is still useful for things like captcha replacements but the whole thing is the biggest example of capitalism’s way of turning useful and promising inventions into means of speculation and outright scams by and large) could be used to make the process more transparent than ever. It’s not the technology that hold us back, but their fear of us using it to take what’s ours.
Term limits, too. No one should sit in power long enough to forget what life is like for the rest of us. Politics should be service, not a career. If we’re serious about democracy, every single one of us—no matter how “uneducated” we’re told we are—needs to learn how to govern. Because democracy isn’t just voting for the lesser evil every few years. It’s taking the reins of your life, your community, your future. It’s about ruling instead of being ruled.
Here’s the thing: the ruling class will not go quietly. When we start to take real power into our hands, they’ll fight back. They’ll use every dirty trick in the book to claw it back. That’s how this game works. But if we stand together, if we build a united force that can’t be undermined, if we refuse to let fear or complacency stop us—then they lose. And we win something they can never take away: the power to determine our destiny. That’s what’s at stake. Let’s stop settling for scraps. It’s time to demand the whole damn table.
I made a large collection of screenshots from Facebook of people who had their claims denied by United Healthcare today.
Yes, we know.
Sorry I’m not trying to be an attention getting asshole. I just really think people should see this.
