Similar vibes than Reddit api pricing
stop buying tesla, stop supporting spacex, and stop buying starlink
I would have no other alternative for internet access unfortunately
You could live like the first 2020 years of our timeline.
If you’re on a boat… fair enough.
Otherwise, look into WISPs… Wireless Internet Service Providers. Great for rural areas, the infrastructure is point-to-point radios, so it’s super easy to go large distances without the cost of fiber or copper cables.
Best part is, if you have any neighbors that are interested, they’ll often give you a discount if you let them put a sector antenna on your barn/silo. Or they can also erect a short tower if you let them too.
If there aren’t any in your immediate area, reach out to ones nearby. They’re always looking to expand.
If it were that simple, and they were comparable/better than starlink, they’d be a lot more prominent than they are, no? You’re leaving out information.
It really is that simple. I wouldn’t chose it over wired, but it’s still pretty good. You’re going to beat the latency of satellites every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Internet_service_provider
Thanks I’ll look into that, never heard of it. I’m on an island
^^ this. In America the only vote that really matters is the one you do with your wallet.
But what launch provider should I use then?
Boeing? No, I don’t think so.
don’t use any. space programs are wholly unnecessary
Starlink is the only decent satellite internet provider
And stop using Xitter.
Imagine trying to sell cars and then pulling some shit like this
Si musk pulled a Reddit spez?
Not surprising as musk is a scammer who got incredibly lucky, always has been.
Fuck spez and fuck musk
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Awesome username!
Didn’t they already do this with Xitter?
Yes the blue bird website did it first iirc
It’s only going to get worse year over year as we move towards a dystopian corporation ran future.
The U.S. leading the pack on testing how much a rich person can get away with while directly interfering with a d profiting from the government, which is funded by the people.
It’s just another grift, but this time in the open, corporate sponsored politicians being elected as presidents is going to become the norm. The only thing it takes is money to influence an undereducated populace.
The only thing it takes is money to influence an undereducated populace.
We got the government the average person deserves…
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Or until the populace gets smarter.
No sign of that happening yet, especially with the results of a certain election in a certain country.
I’m surprised devs didn’t see the writing on the wall after Twitter all but murdered its API
Wasn’t that still Dorsey twitter though?
I could swear it was too, but I double checked before the comment.
Elon closed the deal on Oct 28, 2022 according to Wikipedia, and the first API woes I remember was the killing of third-party clients, which happened in Jan 19, 2023
rent seeking strikes back
There’s no laws against profiteering?
Tesla is an American company, in Texas, at that.
It wouldn’t matter if there were.
There goes TeslaFi… fuck. I use that all the time to see my global map and keep track of my stats (like power usage on long drives), and auto enabling of certain features at certain times, like heat/ac after work.
These changes only affect the Fleet API. TeslaFi is fine for now.
Just got an email that TeslaFi uses the Fleet API, so this definitely affects them.
Tesla can eat penis.
A bag of.
A whole bag?
Penises should be loved.
Duh.
What’s the data? The article says the app was fleet management? So location and remote opening doors or something?
I use an app called Tessie. It’s $5 a month for the rest of my life but i do like it . Keeps track of battery usage, trips, and links to Alexa.
Gotcha - I guess I’m still not following though. Twitter and Reddit upped API fees because the data could be used to train LLMs.
Obviously if you had access to everyone’s driving/Tesla data - that’d be valuable - but I am assuming the API data is only for the owners using these the apps like you mentioned.
Is the data available across all users or are they prepping to release some kind of anonymized user data?
I can’t eee how blocking API use helps train LLMs.
Even if the users has a 3rd party app, it’s still making the API calls, so whatever data is already on the server side.
I think you might be misinterpreting me.
Most of these apps run via the app providers servers. So while each subscriber provides an apikey that only gets data on their car(s), the app provider can save every single api response and whatever they want with it.
Why Alexa?
Other than that, a $1 notepad and a pencil will do usage tracking just fine for years. You can’t take a trip unless you’re already sitting in the car where you can see and write down the info.
I’ve decided that we were just fine without the internet, please send your comment to me via written correspondence, since you have your notepad ready anyway.
The internet allows us to communicate quickly over distances we couldn’t otherwise without a long time between messages. What does this app do that I can’t do cheaper and easier with pencil and paper?
I’m not opposed to technology, but I’m not paying for it if there’s no benefit.
But it does it both easier and better than pen/paper because it does it automatically without them needing to even think about it. And it’s already available electronically so they can graph it and run statistics on their usage and trips…you know, actually use the data for something purposeful.
With pen/paper they just have a sheet they can’t do anything with. They now have to manually enter all this data to use it for anything, which is a lot on unnecessary manual effort.
Ok.
On my phone, I can use Google sheets (or excel or whatever) and get all the benefits, except for the automatic recording. For $5/mo in perpetuity?
I’m not anti app. I don’t understand why someone would pay this much for this function.
If you want all the metrics that it logs automatically, you’re going to be spending 20min every time you drive anywhere logging everything manually. And then you’re still not getting the continuous logging during drives. Plus you still need to do all the data processing yourself on top of that.
I get why some people pay for these things.
You can do basically everything you can do from teslas own app, but automated and even a little more. For example I use it to automatically control charging power to match the surplus of my solar panels, that keeps my grid-use for my car to 0kWh for roughly 5 months of the year. And I can set the charging power lower than I can in the Tesla app (app is 5A minimum, API goes to 0A), which is convenient for the solar charging.
And of course you can pull battery data, odometer etc. with it as well.
Hehehe, we all know how that’s like. I’m sure this income will truly be used to improve their services and support robust and reliable API infrastructure.
Another reminder to developers to not bother with public APIs, just screen-scrape or reverse-engineer the official app private API.
Really the lesson is, don’t run a business that 100% depends on another company.
This. It’s a recipe for disaster. I think enough (tech-related) companies have shown now, that they first want to lock you in, and then if they got you, want to bleed you out…
Then you’re at risk of getting sued for cracking the encryption or the API breaking constantly
The real reminder is don’t integrate with devices which you can’t trust
Yeah guys. Downvote me. This is literally part of my day job.
In our industry we call not using an official API a dumpster fire API. Because more than once it has completely broken eventually, and there are a few manufacturers warned will break in the upcoming future
Something to note: Tesla has two vehicle APIs, the Fleet API for commercial accounts and the Owner API for individuals. This change currently only impacts the Fleet API.
If you are an individual owner who accesses your vehicle data from the Owner API (usually via a self hosted tool like TeslaMate), this does not affect you. Yet.
Hey kid, don’t waste your breath defending corporations. You will end up being wrong in the end, and before that you just look like a fool.
Highlight where in the above post I am defending anything.
Isn’t it tacitly defending this pricing model?
I’ve worked in commercial environments where we’ve had the rug pulled on us in exactly this manner.
Sure today Tesla isn’t charging you, but the moment it is expedient for them, they will.
A lot of users here will have had the same experience with Reddit – it’s not unprecedented.
Not at all.
Lemmy is overwhelmingly militantly anti-Tesla, which is understandable considering who owns it, but it does mean that users tend to interpret any neutral or factual statements (basically anything that is not outright criticism) as having a pro-Tesla bias.
In this case, all I am stating is the fact that this specific change currently only affects corporate users. That could of course change in the future.
There is a rich history of cloud based data providers pulling the rug from under users with no warning. Look at what happened to Nest users when Google took over.
I’m not a developer, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. Is the API supplying data that is provided by the OBDII interface? Or is it more than that?
There is most likely an overlap on what you can get from the OBD port, but generally speaking the API will provide more high level info e.g driving status, mileage, live location - and the OBD port will provide more low level data e.g. detailed battery stats from the BMS, energy usage, etc.
Its Tesla; y’all should be dumping that shit anyway.
API pricing is such a shitty obnoxious dogshit practice that is now of course becoming standard because of course it is. internet barely costs money come the fuck on make a quality product
It used to be a respected standard for developers and hosts to be somewhat open and friendly to 3rd party devs, because ultimately they’re customers and they’re helping recruit and retain customers, they should be treated with respect. just because it’s innovative and disruptive to invent the machine gun doesn’t mean it’s good
I have the slightest bit of sympathy. So many companies got their shit scraped and fed into AI models. They lost out. They’re afraid it will happen again.
They didn’t lose anything, that’s our data.
I mean, I get your point, that’s why I said “slightest”. I’m basically just saying I understand their perspective.
The internet (ie bandwidth) is cheap, but running servers, providing documentation and tech support all costs a decent amount of money.
However, treating an API as a profit center is a joke. These are literally companies developing software that makes the experience of owning a Tesla better. Making things unaffordable for those companies is putting short term profits over long term success of your product
But 90k is nothing to Tesla, it’s just a paywall to keep the third party devs put while being able to claim to be open
while being able to claim to be open
Marketing is happy while dafdy gets to squeeze
Anyway, look at their actions, not their propaganda
just because it’s innovative and disruptive to invent the machine gun doesn’t mean it’s good
That’s a great Maxim.
I didn’t think there would be a pun in there but, man, you found it! 👍
Well, I am a Prodigy at that sort of thing!
