.world is in the EU. The same laws that apply to inciting hate or violence against “The Jews” or “The Blacks” also apply to “The CEOs”. And the same laws that apply to Facebook also apply to lemmy.
It’s bi-partisan too. Which makes this infinitely more insane
Healthcare fucks over everyone equally, it doesn’t discriminate.
Weird, isn’t it, like there’s some vast wellspring of support a political party could have tapped into by doing literally fucking anything but defending the status quo.
It’s almost like the uniting factor of the people is class. I feel like there was a historical figure once, who was assassinated for trying to pivot from race to class because the government saw the danger of a united population.
Every other cause is a distraction from that one.
Wait, who are you referring to?
I assumed they were talking about MLK.
So now the government had him killed…?
Yes. Is it surprising to you that the US government would be involved in the assassination of a Civil Rights and socialist leader or have ties to white supremacy?
If so, I can recommend quite a lot of further reading about… Most of US history.
Did you skip education?
Government would never kill anyone mate!
Are you a brain dead conspiracy theorist?
Why contain it? Let it spill over to the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they’ll beg us to save them.
- Bob Page, 2052
Let it spill over to the schools and churches,
That’s what the regime wants, whoever executed topic of the current discussion knew that they could tap this raw anger.
Note how witness was left alone… if he killed the witness, this would be a different story.
Clean murder of a corporate parasite, galvanized the public. Zero tears shed, people are celebrating.
There is a lesson for the elites in this… but they won’t learn it. They will regroup and oppression will get worse. They will use full force of the state against working people.
This is just the start.
And they will somehow think that they escape unscathed.
Yeap, the more they squeeze the more people will have less to loose. Now that it’s been done once people see it’s possible. People see how it’s being celebrated. Hopefully this will replace shoot shootings. Because politicians don’t care about dead kids but they’ll as hell care about CEOs being merc’d. Maybe we’ll get some meaningful reforms out of this and change some business practices too.
I just want to say I haven’t seen “merc’d” used quite so eloquently before, well done.
I couldn’t help but notice Blue Cross rescinded its very dangerous policy placing a time limit on anesthesia the day after the murder.
I don’t want a reign of terror, but perhaps just a little bit of terror will have CEOs thinking they could be next when considering especially harmful policies.
Thats okay because its not terror its defense.
No, it’s terror. It’s just that that isn’t always the negative we’ve tended to think it is.
Typically we’ve been citizens in a country on the “power” side of the dynamic, so using terror like that meant using it on us, and so we learned that it’s bad.
This time we’re on the other side of the power dynamic, so it’s seemingly… Good.
The bad thing being good creates cognitive dissonance.
This is a direct consequence of “the war on terror” attempting to redefine the military strategy of asymmetrical warfare as terrorism and inherently immoral.
To sell the bullshit “war on terror” the easiest way to make the US seem righteous was to degrade the public’s sense of why people violently resist and reduce it to the act of violently resisting an organized traditional military is immoral unless the thing resisting is also a traditional organized military.
I am glad that narrative is breaking down though as the distortion of how and why violent conflicts occur is dangerously blinding to a basic understanding of the world.
Killing people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time is always wrong.
I think you will find Palestinian citizens agree with you on that point.
I think you will find Palestinian citizens agree with you on that point.
Yes. And the Israeli hostages.
Marx once said that proletarians won’t embellish the terror once it’s their turn.
Robespierre thought killing tens of thousands of people was defense. History has not been kind to that position.
Good thing there’s only 2066 of them. 2065 now.
Technically they didn’t fully rescind it. They rescinded it in some places but not others, and for some patients but not others. It’s just PR, they have no intention of actually changing things.
In France, during the Nazi occupation in WW2, a few people turned to the Resistance movement which was also a terror operation: they would target military objectives but also conduct assassinations of nazi officials designed to inspire fear in the others and spark support in the population.
You just reminded me of a movie and let’s just say I highly recommend it.
On yet another front, the Greek resistance would kill Nazis. In retaliation, Nazis would kill whole villages. Enraged, more Greeks would join the resistance and kill more Nazis. Net result: Towards the end pretty much every Greek was in the resistance and Greece was the only (IIRC, or at least the first or something) country to free itself from Nazi occupation. (Then they became a dictatorship different story).
Finding out after you’ve fucked around isn’t terror.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. This guy’s a vigilante.
I guess it all depends how IRA makes you feel lol
Thatcher was the one that got away
I would pay for that to be his grave stone
It only costs one bottle of spray paint
They’re gonna have to put this dipshit’s grave on private property.
By definition, none of the kills are his. They’re all assists.
Still pretty impressive ratio though
KDA is perfectly valid, some classes just don’t do any work themselves.
Good. Let the celebration continue.
Mods should be joining in on the celebration instead, in particular unpaid / community ones like Reddi’s.
I’ve been pretty impressed that the shooter has so far evaded police. I can only imagine that there have been at least one or two incidents thus far where people, be it cops or witnesses, had a clear opportunity to take actions that would lead to his immediate capture, but decided not to.
From what I know, cops often rely on the cooperation of the public to resolve crimes, but they may not be getting any on this one.
I’m sure it helps that he was across two state lines before the search even began
first shot of the revolution
My only concern is that I hope this doesn’t become an Archduke Ferdinand for an American Civil War part 2.
If that’s the case then it will just be the class war heating up because one side finally started fighting back.
So few of them, so many of us
united healthcare? how many divisions do they have?
They united the people against them. That’s living up to half the name, I guess.
But how…? Are Magas sad/angry that this happened? Most likely it’s the opposite. This is a poor/middle-class vs rich/ultra-wealthy scenario. I guess unless Fox tells/tricks them to be angry and blame liberals, but I’m sure plenty of them are not upset about this. I see it as “the enemy of my enemy” type deal.
Yeah, even the MAGA people I know are like “aight, cool”
Until Fox News tells them otherwise.
This is the most united America has been since 911
Is it really a civil war when 99% of the people are on one side?
I think you’re underestimating the amount of “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” out there.
unsuccessfully.
I think this is as funny as the next person but realistically what will change?
Won’t they just elect another scumbag and keep going?
Nothing will change unless it becomes a recurring and common thing.
How many people can actually pull off a successful assassination of a wealthy person? Not many, especially now that security is going to go up.
Nothing will change, but at least that one guy got some revenge.
Assassinating is so easy a child could do it. It’s getting away with it that’s hard.
not a problem for people with nothing left to lose.
just wait until Republicans suddenly turn anti-2A
The assassination reminded us that they are not some sort of incorporeal beings, but that they can be killed.
I think it’s a precedent, CEOs actually have something to fear aside from their job. Which usually fails upward with a good serverance package. This is also a sign that the Government and the laws of the land no longer works for the people. It’s a good and a bad thing either way. Personally I think it’s a huge mistake we made companies as a person. I think this is were the root cause is. Since it disconnects the accountability of the people working especially the higher ups.
If they’re a person it should go all the way. They should be able to go on trial for homicide. Some states still have the death penalty for people. Disband the company if it commits serious crimes.
While still jailing those who made the decisions and performed the illegal actions.
Hard to predict.
This act broke the taboo against violence and shattered the perception of powerlessness. Turns out there is something you can do against these assholes, and it’s not as unpopular an option as you might have expected.
It may inspire imitation, emboldening other pissed victims. It may scare the other CEOs into treading more carefully. It might embolden progressive politicians to challenge the status quo, now that they see how popular that can be.
Or it might end up a big ball of hot air that doesn’t do anything. Like I said, hard to predict.
If all the disaffected white teens stopped shooting up schools and started shooting CEOs, it’s not healthy, but they would be channeling their anger in a better direction.
Well, if you don’t wanna celebrate a monster dying just for the sake of it, we can look at it from an environnent perspective, taking that pos out did more for the environnent than Green Peace has in the last 10 years.
I mean that’s a fair thought.
But even by USA capitalist standards, this specific man was a monster who in a just world wouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of anything. The world is slightly better off without such a greedy and heartless man in it.
At least some health insurance companies are temporarily easing up on denials or pausing shitty policies like limiting anthensia coverage during surgery.
That alone could save a few hundred lives, even if just for a little while.
Is anything remotely likely to change as a result of this on a systemic level or otherwise?
Well, the news is now out that these corporate fatcats are not as untouchable as they think
