The title is shit and confusing, so let me explain.

I’m a white latin american who lives in a latin american country, so in my environment there is very few asian people, in fact, in my region there is so few asians that if there is one in a friend group, they will automatically be “El chino” or “La china”.

Anyway, I understand there is a phenomenon that when ur not used to hang out with people from other races, you might see people from other specific race as “they look the same”. This is part of the reason why so many people in this part of the world thinks that “asians look the same” when that is absolutely not true. It might also happen that some asians also think all white people look the same. And yeah, in a limited genetic pool, many people will look similar.

Anyway, I like asian media and I consume Jpop, Kpop, and I’m starting to try and get into watching more dramas. The thing is when I face the “they look similar” barrier so I have a hard time differentiating people.

I can identify well for example the Black Pink girls, GIDLE girls, Mamamoo, half of the BTS members, etc, just to give you an idea, but sometimes I’m stuck playing a game of “Oh, this is X? No, I think that’s actually Y, nah, I’m wrong, really is Z”.

Is kinda stressful sometimes, not being able to differentiate people in dramas or groups and trying to hang on certain identifiable features to do not get me lost.

Is there a way to kinda “train” myself into identifying Asian people and differentiating them better?

I hope this post doesn’t sound racist, is not my intention at all. I’m just looking for some advice. Thanks.

  • Teon
    link
    fedilink
    202 years ago

    Kpop is cool and all but not a great way to see the differences in people. Kpop idols are routinely made to look like other popular idols to appeal to a larger fan base. This happens in other cultures as well, US actresses for example!

    I would suggest you stick with Dramas to get a better mix of people. And mix it up by country. Add some Thai, Japanese and Chinese dramas to your watch list. At some point you will see the vast differences in just one nation, China is quite diverse in looks, Thailand as well. And it can’t hurt to experience music and dramas from other parts of Asia like Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, etc.

    And don’t just limit yourself to Asia, really look at humanity. You would be surprised how often you can see the similarities between cultures. American Eskimos having Chinese traits. And I don’t mean eyes, facial architecture varies worldwide.

    In America people think anyone Hispanic/Latin is Mexican (which is SOOOOO false). But Central and South Americans are just as diverse. The larger the mix of people from a continent you are exposed to, the easier it is to get a sense of where they may be from.
    All of humanity migrated from someplace, and we still do today.

  • fiat_lux
    link
    fedilink
    102 years ago

    It’s an easier task if you’re looking at normal real people, not popstars deliberately selected for ‘ideal’ beauty archetypes, with professional makeup, filters, and editing.

    This reminds me of the Korean beauty pageant profile photo discussion 10 years ago.

    It’s not necessarily so much a race thing as it is a ‘cultural beauty ideals conformity’ thing. There are a lot of similar looking white celebrities too, the blonde pop princess cloning machine was working overtime in the early 2000’s.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    52 years ago

    Don’t worry, you’re not racist. If people look similar then they look similar. There is no need to stress out over this very minor issue. Just spend more time with that media and you’ll be able to pick up on differences more easily.

    It can be hard to determine the differences between people of different Asian nations sometimes, just like it can be difficult to tell the difference between a Caucasian American, Caucasian European, and a Caucasian Canadian. Some can be easier to distinguish (such as Filipino and Japanese being usually easier to tell the difference than say Laotian and Vietnamese based purely on looks alone), but races now are not as “pure” as they used to be in the distant past. There is a lot of international travel and interracial families, so some may look like another nationality because they are.

    Its kinda the same with languages. Spanish and Portuguese sound very similar, and infact are based in the same language family. They both use some of the same words and grammar. But with enough understanding of both you can tell the difference.

  • freamon
    link
    fedilink
    English
    22 years ago

    I think the creators of Korean dramas are aware of the issue - the last one I watched was The Glory, which seemed to go out of its way to make its characters visually distinctive.

    For me, I have to stop myself blanking it when I hear a name from unfamiliar language, and instead of thinking “Well I’ll never remember that”, force myself to take note, that’s she’s “Lee Sa-ra” and he’s “Jeon Jae-joon”, etc. I find it useful to pause the screen once in a while, to actually make sure I know who’s who, and what their motivations are.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    62 years ago

    I taught in China for 9 years and i can tell you that asians all look different. I was good enough at the end to be able to tell who was Chinese, Korean, and Japanese based on bone structure alone. The hardest part is that when 400+ students all have the same haircuts and clothing style, then they really tend to blur together.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      22 years ago

      I had some random lady at work ask me to guess what nationality she was based on her appearance, and then get all huffy when I didn’t answer with Okinawan. I mean, I didn’t even get close by saying Japanese. But I had a lot of Hmong and Vietnamese friends in high school, so, you know, I wasn’t even close.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    7
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Tbf, the problem in terms of kpop celebrities isn’t that they’re asians, but how they adhere to pretty strict beauty standards and often use cosmetic surgery for this, so they do, in fact, look pretty similar to one-another. I definitely can’t recognize any K-Pop or J-pop idol’s face, but I’ve never had this problem with any asian I’ve known irl. So maybe don’t think too deeply into it, I don’t think there’s anything wrong or racist about what you describe. Maybe try watching some asian movies with a less “spotless” aesthetic, stuff not necessarily for a young audience or where everyone is supposed to look beautiful, and see if you still have the same problem.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    92 years ago

    Over a decade ago, I dated someone of a different race from me. I remember being anxious that I wouldn’t recognize her in a crowd the first handful of times that we met in crowded places. I’ve become much better at distinguishing people of different races since, but that’s only because I have a lot of racial exposure where I live.

    I don’t know any way of changing this natural occurrence other than repeated exposure. Your brain needs practice. You don’t sound the least bit racist. In fact, you sound the opposite because you’re looking for better mental tooling.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    22 years ago

    My understanding based entirely on zero evidence is that our brains recognize faces based on that person’s differences from ‘average’. Where ‘average’ is the average face you see/ consider. And your brain mostly examines the parameters that help you distinguish between the people you normally consider.

    So like a person’s eyes are one standard deviation larger than average and 5 standard decisions further apart. And their nose is 2 standard deviations longer than average and their nostrils are 1 standard deviation smaller than average.

    Ethnic groups will have some parameters that vary a lot between them and some parameters that don’t, your brain just needs to learn. Basically just keep trying.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    392 years ago

    In my experience, just consuming more media is a good way to become more familiar with the facial features that we might not pay enough attention to differentiate between people. When I first started watching Japanese movies, I had a bit of a hard time grasping who was who, but as time went on it became easier.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    232 years ago

    What you are referring to is called implicit bias. It’s the automatic differentiation of tribal heritage. It’s honestly a phenomenon that can’t be controlled. You spend enough time with a certain people, then you are going to prefer that people. IMO that’s why we should drop the cultural walls and just amalgamate

  • @[email protected]
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    English
    22 years ago

    How about Japanese media? Me as an SEAsian find it Japan has a more varied type of face in all the big 3. Of course there’s Ikemen (Handsome) & Bijin (Beautiful) type but when I watched JDrama I found them varied a lot.

  • ϚìɾƑąղçվքąղէʂ
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    142 years ago

    The fact that you’re conscious of these biases and are trying to take a thoughtful approach to avoiding them probably means you don’t need to worry too much about it. I think it’s probably unrealistic to be able to memorize and identify every media star, and getting some actors of a certain ethnicity confused doesn’t automatically make you racist. I mix people up all the time, regardless of their background, so don’t sweat it too much. Over time, your recognition will improve, as with any other activity. Good luck!

  • djquadratic
    link
    fedilink
    162 years ago

    This makes me think of those memes where people struggle with telling white male celebrities apart

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      72 years ago

      Fun semi-related story. I used to work in an open kitchen where a lot of the cooking staff would interact with the customers pretty regularly. Quite often me and two other men in the kitchen would get confused with one another. I gave a guy some marinating tips one week. He comes back in a few days later and waves me over to tell me how well it went. Except he didn’t wave me over, it was a coworker he thought was me. I’d have people bring up previous conversations when I’ve never seen them before. After the 3rd time that kind of thing happened, it clicked. The 3 of us who got confused with each other were just very generic young white guys. One of them wore glasses and I sometimes wore them, sometimes wore contacts. Who I got confused with changed on whether I wore glasses or not, but it happened constantly in the years I worked there. And it was always other white people getting us confused. Looking like a generic white guy is 100% a thing.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      62 years ago

      I thought Leo DiCaprio and Matt Damon were the same person for most of The Departed.

      When Luke Skywalker has a vision of fighting Darth Vader, he opens the mask and sees … I think it’s his own face - it makes sense storywise that it’d be his own face, but I’ve never dared ask anyone and admit to not knowing.

      I was really proud of myself for recognising that the two characters in Moon were the same actor. I figured it out, not by looking at their faces, but at the way the camera switched between them.

      I’m a white guy, btw.

    • Skull giver
      link
      fedilink
      2
      edit-2
      2 years ago

      I’m whits and I saw a meme video about someone not recognising a group of famous people. They were all hot, white men with a bit of facial hair, and I honestly had a hard time telling them apart.

      I’m about as white as you can get but many groups of white people all look like each other as much as groups of Asian people do. There are many ethnic groups within China that can be visually distinguished with ease, but when you get to the level of “nordic white dude/slavic white dude/mediterranean white dude” things just become a blur to me.

      Unless I know you personally or you have some kind of special hair style, you’re just “generic person of x origin” to me.

        • Skull giver
          link
          fedilink
          52 years ago

          There’s actuslly an interesting phenomenon that people can guess a stranger’s name just from their picture with way higher accuracy than we reasonably should.

          When you’re named Chris as a baby, there’s just something that will make you end up looking or acting like “a Chris” in your adult life.

          Genetics and family names probably have something to do with it as well (not like some random couple in China is going to name their kid “Sioban”), but it’s still pretty freaky to think about.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            12 years ago

            That’s so cool. It feels like some proof of us leaning into stereotypes rather than them being inherently true. Nurture rather than just nature in a sense.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    8
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Yes you just have to see more Asian people.

    When you’ve only seen one in your life, you can differentiate them from everyone else using some broad attributes. You don’t have to pay very close attention to the nuances of their facial structure.

    It’s only when you know a lot of people who all have those broad attributes that you have to start noticing other things.

    This isn’t racist, it’s just the brain doing what it does best: not work harder than it has to.

    It sounds like you’re already doing the work of looking twice, looking closely, paying more attention. Just keep doing that. And remember you don’t have to feel bad about this.

  • Niello
    link
    fedilink
    25
    edit-2
    2 years ago

    Let me tell you an anecdote. I’m Asian and grew up in an Asian country. When I was studying abroad there’s a time when my American friends were watching a Japanese drama series. I was the one asking them throughout the watch session who’s who because I couldn’t tell the actors’ faces apart.