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“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.
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They’re fucking terrified. The reaction of the public to this assassination has shocked them. They understand that they need to crush this guy and they need to crush the swell of public support or this is the end of unfettered capitalism. When the few have everything and the many have nothing the many rise up and take back everything and the cycle starts again. Every single dollar in every rich guy’s bank account came from the hard work of non-rich people. There are thousands of them and hundreds of millions of us. We can just rise up and take what they have. They have to stop this before it builds and before the majority realize that we can do it.
They expected us to go “We don’t condone violence!” or “Think of the billionaires!”
They weren’t ready for him to go down as a folk heroes, and honestly if it weren’t for places like Lemmy he wouldn’t have because the corponet will ban your ass for cheering at this.
I give them at most a month before they go back to ignoring us.
Nope nope, this is just a one-time thing one crazy guy,
For the moment they might be right. People are cheering this guy on but I haven’t heard about any protests. People don’t seem to be angry enough right now.
Him killing a CEO won’t start protests, but if they ratchet down more restrictions, perhaps. I honestly don’t really see it happening. We’ll just be pissed off in silence.
So where can we donate?
Probably with a check directly to his lawyer, if at all.
good.
Bootlicker
naw, not my type of fetish, im more into licking other things
You must be one of those temporarily embarrassed billionaires.
i wish i was a billionaire so i could donate it to feed starving children.
If that’s what you’re passionate about (helping others) you will never be a billionaire.
They only like to pretend to do good things to try and whitewash their reputation.
good because i never want to be rich. money corrupts people.
Yet you’re not a fan of removing that corruption (cancer) from the Earth by violent means.
I wonder if you think any other means could be used to remove such people from power, as from what I can see people protest and are violently crushed, people can try political means (Bernie/Corbyn) and the media machine will come out in force to slander them, people can march but will be vilified for causing a nuisance.
It seems to me like violence is the only thing that can spur on a revolution. Hello Syria, Libya, Hamas, the Americans kicking out my country over taxes.
well Americans can do as they wish. Up here in Canada I’m just going to not condone violence.
I am not American either, they don’t have a monopoly on violence, well geo-politically they might do actually.
Anyway, as I said in the other thread I don’t judge you and was just interested in hearing another perspective, as clearly I am anti-social to some degree, so it’s interesting to hear from people who are not.
On Lemmy? As if. Most likely just another billionaire wannabe.
Why good? Genuinely curious.
Do you only support murder if it’s systemic and done in the interests of shareholders?
i don’t support murder at all.
Murder only applies to humans
Yes and?
Sorry, didn’t realize you couldn’t pick up on the subtext. I’m implying that the rich aren’t human.
i agree.
Glad the scale tips the other way.
what does this mean?
Fair, even if I think it’s a little naive.
Say, a man is going to go and murder an entire city and to stop him you must kill him. You’re saying you wouldn’t support that and would be happy for a whole city to die instead?
So your saying the CEO of United healthcare murdered people? Then he should of been charged. People should not be Judge Dredd.
I am saying the system he helped caused people to die that did not need to die. I am saying it causes untold suffering to their families and friends.
It seems to me that systemic suffering is fine as long as shareholder value is increased.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
- JFK
I live my life similar to Luigi, although to a lesser extent. In that I don’t let things like the law dictate what I will and will not do, more that I will weigh up the pros and cons of a particular action. When a person doesn’t believe the world is being run morally we will go off our own morals of what we believe is right and I truly believe the world would be a better place if certain people were not in it anymore. If you can kill 1 person and it improves the lives of say 100 people , then have at it and kill that sob.
If you were in a room with Hitler before he came to power and you some how knew what he would go on to do, are you saying you wouldn’t have killed him?
Would i Kill Hitler? no, because i am not one to take someone’s life. I don’t think anyone has that right. and if it’s committed, they will be tried in court and thrown away in jail.
You believe you came to this value alone but it’s the kind of passivity the ruling class wants you to demonstrate. “Nobody is above the law” is another one, but the US just elected a 34-time felon.
Starting to see things any more clearly yet? If not, look inward. Harder…
Appreciate your honesty, even if I think it’s a little misguided.
I would have put a bullet in Hitler’s head without hesitation if I knew how many people he would go on to kill, I actually think it would be my responsibility to make the world a better place.
If I was tried for that crime and sentenced to life in prison, then I would accept that as the cost of doing the right thing.
Now I imagine Luigi wrestled with the same things and is happy to face charges for doing what he thought was right and I find that admirable, much more admirable than letting someone like Hitler cause millions of deaths because I didn’t want to get my hands dirty.
I want you to know I am not judging you and I support your belief in your morals and where you draw the line, I just wanted to open a discussion as someone who is somewhere on the ASPD spectrum, it always interests me what lines people have and their reasons for them.
Have a nice day. 😊
This reeks of privilege.
They let the guy who leaked Trump’s tax returns hold a gofundme, but folks didn’t really help him out as much as he needed.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund
Dont get scammed…
Once you find a proper place, use crypto.
If you don’t know how to do any of this. Stop. Learn. Then come back.
Seriously! When I think of not getting scammed I immediately think of all my crypto
lol. Jk. I for sure don’t understand it, tho I can see it’s value, personally
Is this is the stupidest advice I’ve ever seen? Maybe not “drink bleach” bad I suppose but still - this is pretty stupid. Well done I suppose.
Not getting scammed is a bad advice?
Hmmm
that is the part you thought I was talking about when “use crypto” is right there?
Wikileaks would have been destroyed without crypto.
The resistance of state oppression is one of crypto’s primary purposes.
I doubt regime will permit USD to be used;)
Congrats - you one-upped your original comment.
Please tell us where the bad word hurt you, boy
lol so when you pull your money out you’re immediately marked by the Feds? Crypto isn’t magic dude, in fact it’s extremely traceable. Only scammers want you to believe it isn’t.
I doubt USD will be permitted for donations here lol
Just don’t waste your fucking money unless you know what you are doing.
Any idea how we can add to his canteen fund?
After he is arraigned (first appearance before a judge) AND assuming bail is set in an amount he cannot pay AND that he is held in Rikers (HUGE safety concerns) you can look him up here and then send money for commissary and sometimes pay bail.
https://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/home/home.jsf
I believe you must provide personally identifying information to send money/pay. There is no guarantee that the City won’t try to find a way to seize money sent.
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Aaaand book marked. If there is no justice then at least he will never go a day without his favorite ramen.
Yeah, Rikers isn’t secure enough to keep out a corpo hitman, even if all the prisoners are on his side.
Why would they want to off this kid.
We all know why he did this, it isn’t a secret that insurance companies are paying evil. If anything killing him now will rally more people to his cause.
They will just re-write history as they did with Guy Fawkes and have us singing songs as though he was a bad guy and not someone who wanted to rock the establishment.
Why would they want to off this kid.
So that he can’t be tried and found non-guilty. So that he wouldn’t spread dangerous ideas. So that he pays for his transgressions.
I don’t know what could be their reasoning, but I would expect them wanting to off him behind the scenes rather than await for the trial results.
One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn’t support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn’t do it justice] develops.
This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It’s a different guy.
The blue maga conspiracy theories begin!
Pretty sure this one crosses ideological boundaries and has support with standard MAGAts as well.
Lemmy: “EAT THE RICH!”
Also Lemmy: “I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO DONATE MONEY TO THE RICH!”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do
"He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.
He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."
His upbringing doesn’t necessarily mean anything with regard to current state. My grandparents were rich and I was homeless. They put my dad and his siblings through uni (though have since disowned one), but I have student loans. Maybe he is still close and has access to all that money, but this feels a bit jump-to-conclusion-y
‘Eat the rich’ because as a class they take everything and give nothing. Cancer. They sow an unfathomable amount of death and suffering in the name of greed.
An individual from a rich family who just gave up his freedom to slay a healthcare equivalent of a tyrant? Yeah that’s not the person ‘eat the rich’ is talking about.
100%. systemic problems != personal problems. It is just bigotry to assume that because somebody was born with or without money that they fit some cookie cutter definition of a rich person or a poor person. Demonize the system, not the people. People can only be praised/blamed for their individual actions.
was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.
“This guy was the smartest person in school, get him!”
Fuck off.
Edit: Alternatively, “Robin Hood was the best marksmen, get him!”
Robin Hood was also Robin of Loxley, originally a nobleman. It is entirely possible, however unlikely, for people born into money/status to turn out decent.
Absolutely. FDR did more for the working class than perhaps any other president, and he was absolutely filthy rich. Adjusted for inflation he’d be a billionaire today.
That’s my point.
We’re in agreement :)
Is this what having 0 understanding of class struggle looks like?
This is the same mod who said he didn’t support BLM because they sometimes inconvenienced him.
Ofc it’s a mod.
To be clear, he’s not a mod of this community, but he is a mod of at least a few others. There’s an interview running around Lemmy that featured him. He’s not a good person.
Keep in mind, everyone, jordanlund is the same guy who said he didn’t like BLM because they sometimes inconvenienced him.
No, I don’t like BLM because they only care about black lives when white cops are the perpetrators.
You have a black kid killed somewhere by gang violence? BLM is suddenly fucking silent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Hadiya_Pendleton
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2015/12/31/dunbar-slayings-prompt-a-rethinking-of-black-lives-matter/
Haha holy shit, at least I’m not this dumb.
Oh, so you think it’s totally OK to ignore when black people are murdered by people other than white cops? Good to know.
No I’m just calling you stupid.
Because you disagree with someone who thinks all black lives matter, not just the ones killed by white cops. Got it.
“bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk On BlAcK cRiME?”
I mean, last time you said it was because they inconvenienced you on the way to work, but I guess that wasn’t racist enough this time?
That was one time, this is speaking in general.
BLM don’t actually care about black lives. They care about the attention.
Talking about a little girl who got killed in a gang shooting won’t drive the clicks, views, and donations.
Did you read either of the links I posted? Here’s the stat you will NEVER hear from BLM:
1 in 40,000 white deaths is a homicide. It’s 1 in 5,000 black deaths.
Why am I the one having to tell you this? Why isn’t BLM shouting it from the rooftops?
It’s because…
Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates
Though nationwide statistics are less readily available, multiple studies have found that police kill Black people at disproportionate rates.
A study in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine in 2016 examined all 812 fatalities that resulted from use of lethal force by on-duty law enforcement from 2009-2012 in 17 states. The study used National Violent Death Reporting System data.
The majority of victims were white people, at 52%, but “black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population.” The fatality rate was 2.8 times higher among Black victims than white victims.
So yes, police violence against PoC in the US is overrepresented by almost 3x the rate of white victims. It’s a major issue. Black on black crime is also a major issue but that is also correlated with poverty in general. So they aren’t the same issue at all, and BLM are free to advocate for whatever specific issues they want to focus on, because they can’t possibly have the resources to take action on every form of hateful discrimination that PoC face on a daily basis (like poor access to healthcare and worse treatment than white patients when they do get medical care, to name another couple of examples).
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A community effort to send in handwritten checks is probably the safer bet. If his public defender is worth anything (unlikely), they’ll try to use the public support to hire a stronger legal defense team.
The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.
They either can’t see what’s going on, or they can’t admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.
I mean, the vast majority of poor and uneducated voted for Privatized Healthcare, so that’s not really true. Plus, Luigi wasn’t exactly poor, he worked in the tech industry.
I was working in tech when I became disabled. I wasn’t rich and I would have become homeless if I didn’t have a partner’s income to fall back on.
Tech isn’t some magical gold mine.
He had a masters in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League, founded before the USA), graduated a private high school as valedictorian, and prosecutors are claiming he was carrying $10,000 in cash when he was arrested.
Tech was a magical gold mine to this kid, but rich parents didn’t hurt either.
I thought it was Engineering, not CompSci? (Not that it really changes anything about the point)
Yup sorry, Masters in Science and Engineering, Bachelors in Comp Sci
You don’t know that. His grandfather was wealthy. He’s one of, IIRC, 37 grandchildren. That doesn’t mean he is wealthy. Yes, much more privileged than most of us, but that doesn’t mean he was rolling in cash. Even if he was, so what? He was still fighting against an unjust system.
And he disputed in court that that cash was his–notably, while not disputing that the gun was his. I’ll trust an average person over a cop trying to get a big win any day. They plant plenty of false evidence.
$10,000 would be a weird thing to plant, nobody would have questioned Cocaine. That’s more money than most people his age have ever had in savings total.
It’s not that weird if you think about it. They could be trying to portray him as a flight risk since he also had his passport.
The danger is that those less well-off people who are currently supporting privatized healthcare will see actions like this, hear the conversations around it, and figure out what the real issue is, unless the media obfuscates it with spin.
And this guy may have been fairly well off (his family apparently are wealthy). But he doesn’t have to be poor to get people thinking and talking.
A friend of mine had a very well paying job in tech. Then she had a major injury. Without money paid by her well off parents she would have died. Insurance was stingy as hell.
Cool cool cool, so she wasn’t really poor.
Ok, so now instead of ‘eat the rich’ we’re going ‘eat everyone except for the absolute poor’, right?
I’m just saying the image most people have of Luigi Mangione is pure fiction.
The rich should always have been afraid, but that is besides the point that the best possible outcome for all of us is to become real political activists and help elect people who will bring about real change without encouraging violence in the streets. Or at the very least have some way to organize to the point of actually agreeing on which targets are greenlit, but that’s basically impossible. Just yesterday I saw some kid talk about offing the Funko Pop CEO for taking down Itch Io, another dude advocating arson on a McDonalds in the mall.
With this best outcome I agree, it would be nice if there were less violence, not more.
Working in the tech industry isn’t enough money to be immune from worries health care costs. A bad injury or illness can rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions in bills.
A kid who’s been out of school for a few years could maybe have made a few hundred thousand. There are rare unicorns that might get totally insane compensation right out of school but I doubt there are many 26 year olds getting 1 million+ total compensation in tech.
Anyway, making a few hundred thousand a year isn’t poor but when you’re looking at healthcare, political influence or the legal system, that money most certainly isn’t rich.
He’s from a rich family. He went to a $40k/year all-boys private high school and was valedictorian.
Is being valedictorian a proof of financial situation? Genuine question.
Not proof but high grades are definitely correlated with family income.
Libs would literally rather see 1000000 poor people killed than one rich guy who’s responsible for it.
TBH a lot of them are probably fake and never would have given any money to Luigi.
Don’t get scammed like a dumb bitch.
I wonder if he has a Zelle
This is why we have cryptocurrencies
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This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.
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How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?
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Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We’re in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.
Have they proven to that Luigi was the guy who killed trigger?
We have seen nothing to prove this.
Doesnt need to be, they have already turned him into the lightning rod. Regardless of his innocence or guilt he is the focus now.
It’s weird that one of the pieces of evidence used to arrest him was finding a “Ghost Gun, cheap 3D Printed Firearm meant to be discarded after a single use! Recently used!”
Which is incredibly sus, why would he still have that after leaving the state?
That just screams “Planted evidence”
It’s a 3d printed Glock lower. It’s not meant to be discarded after a single use any more than a regular polymer lower would be
If they could get bank robbers convicted in the 1920’s they’ll get someone to convict Mangione. Unfortunately the offline world is a lot more split about this.
- buckle up shits gonna get weird.
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I’m confused. Why is this not allowed? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Because it’s only a democracy until u start getting into interests of a ruling class.
It’s actually guilty until proven rich.
GoFundMe’s terms and conditions, however, are pretty clear. Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.”
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But running Trump defense funds is OK?
Thanks! I should have figured they just blanket block some stuff.
It’s so weird how they allow January 6th insurrectionists to have GoFundMes with no problems. Very weird indeed.
They didn’t use GoFundMe.
They had to use GiveSendGo, which is basically GoFundMe for fascists.
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I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume fascist GoFundMe would similarly block these
One of the few things working class people of all political leanings agree on. The problem with using Fashy GoFundMe is that I’d be even less inclined to trust the money would go where it’s supposed to than on regular GoFundMe.
Has there been an investigation or is this just suspicion?
Can we talk about these teeth?
But we don’t want to tip him for the crime he committed; we want to tip him for supporting healthcare access!
…also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?
What if we just want to support his lifetime pizza fund?
…also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?
Automatic refunds. Something something ‘donor protection program’… That’s also in their terms.
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People who contribute to these accounts won’t lose their money—GoFundMe’s giving guarantee ensures donors a full refund in case of misuse or other problems with a fundraiser.
Unless the criminal is wealthy, like Trump. Then they can have all the money.
Maybe he has a decent shot at President now
Depends, is he a grotesquely corrupt, bigoted Christian white nationalist (since Italians are allowed to be considered white now)? That seems to be the kind of person America wants.
