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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
Step 1 - Have an AI scrape social media looking for someone similar looking who has posted negative things about the insurance Industry.
Step 2 - sprinkle crack on them
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - record breaking profits for health insurance corporations every year forever and ever and ever
People who know this shit have been through Mangione’s social media feeds.
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/alleged-ceo-shooter-luigi-mangione
The guy likely did it. The guy’s social media history puts him right in that “potential mass shooter” territory, but one more radicalized by pain rather than the right-wing shitholes of the internet.
But the part no one’s talking about yet are the copycats to come. Because this guy got attention for it. Accolades even. That’s part of what mass shooters want. Attention. Accolades are a wet dream for them.
At least this will be better than when they were murdering children for the shock value.
So yeah, I think “Rich asshole murdered” will become more common. If only the richest asshole in whatever Podunk little town the mass shooter was from.
And yet, I can’t say that it will be a completely bad thing. If the mass shootings must happen, (and America apparently says they must) then I’d rather it be a rich asshole who bites it than a classroom full of grade schoolers.
Killing one specific person and then fucking off does not, a mass-shooting, make.
No, but it’s the same sort of pattern that you see in mass shooters.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
The sort of young man who wouldn’t mind dying, or killing, for a cause, even if that cause is just gaining people’s attention.
In the US, those sorts of young men do all sorts of things, many live productive lives. But almost every single mass shooter is one of those young men. Luigi is one of those young men, That’s why the comparison is apt.
He just decided to kill a rich asshole instead of a bunch of randos. All because his particular radicalization was via pain instead of the usual right wing internet shitholes.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
Yeah, those are in short supply.
Howzat three letter paycheck? Or do you suck that short ripoff for your sole and a lying crock or righteousness?
Uhh, thank you but we have plenty of fresh towels.
Then why the fuck do you think this is being so regularly used by such regular travelers of space and time, newbie? LOL.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
It’s almost like society is getting more dangerous for everyone cause we’re letting young men become disaffected.
It’s their privilege that allows them to act out in a violent manner.
A lot of people in this sub could be put in “potential killer” territory based on the comments made but that doesn’t mean they are/were
A lot of people in this sub just need a radicalization event.
Luigi was radicalized by pain.
A lot of people
in this subjust need a radicalization event.When you back someone into a corner, chances are sooner or later they’re going to fight back.
Are you saying that “Eat the Rich” has started?
It has, the copycats are coming.
It won’t be exactly targeted, but more rich assholes will be murked.
I’m pretty sure Step 3 is “get out of here”.
the NYPD are lying about everything. Luigi seems like a cool dude but he’s not the shooter.
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
/s
They don’t need to plant money. The physical evidence is more than enough.
They just want to make it look like he’s a flight risk so he is held without bail.
Nobody is going to give him bail. Murder charge.
What? People being charged with murder get bail all the time.
Here’s two examples, because I was searching for the second and misremembered his last name as “Perry” instead of “Penny”, but conveniently there was another person subjected to a murder charge who also had a bail set.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/us/austin-blm-protest-shooting-indictment/index.html
Those aren’t charges of Murder 1.
Neither is the charge for Mangione.
The charges haven’t been brought as of yet from NY. The paperwork is not done.
What, do you think the DA doesn’t know what charges they’ll file? Or that the judge in PA is making his judgment on bail based not on stated intentions, but charges that no one has even mentioned?
Aimt it amazing how this guy gets caught with a full evidence package for prosecution?
Where is the body camera footage of the arrest?
Hmmm
In due course.
Trust the process 🤡
Was that the rally cry at Uvalde, too? How anyone can rust the fucking cops after that display is beyond me.
Seems pretty circumstantial to me so far.
They’ve got DNA, fingerprints and probably the gun. I wouldn’t call that circumstantial
That’s all circumstantial evidence.
But then again, circumstantial evidence simply means “not eyewitness evidence”. It does not mean “unreliable evidence”, and people are convicted all the time based on circumstantial evidence.
There were people on the street. He isn’t the first person found guilty and wearing a mask.
Sure, it’s possible someone present at the murder could identify him. But it’s not necessary. He wouldn’t be the first person found guilty based on video footage.
Sure, but the prosecution will probably use both.
That’s what they said… Do you believe everytbing government and media tells you now?
Well I don’t believe everything is a conspiracy
Ohh will pulling this old reliable…
Politics and accusations of conspiracy isnhow conversation is generally derailed online haja
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I never saw any evidence the ceo died, either.
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Are we going down that rabbit hole?
Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.
That’s the fastest way to get your courthouse blown up
They’ll find 12 of the whitest old women to ever exist and hammer this guy, I can just feel it. The justice system exists for the rich and whoever did this fucked with one of their own.
My Nostradamus prediction of the day is that you are right. They will all miraculously had a great time with the private healthcare syndicates.
Turns out more than half the country has one.
Turns out your new president kinda wants to put that half in shackles, too.
I’m the one who killed the dude actually. Remember? You were there. ;)
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Secret assassin of my heart, baby.
Ass assassin
❤️
I broke the dam.
Ryan started the fire.
🤌
No, I’m Luigi.
No, this is Patrick.
Wait
I mean I am Spartacus
Wait
And my axe!
hold on
Hodor hodor hodor
Hodor? Hodor? Hold-uhdoor?
Yarp
I’m Batman?
No, I’m Luigi!
No itsa me, Luigi.
Ah shaddap you face.
Wassa matta you?
I’m that baby daddy
Number one!
Wahhooooooooo
Go Weegee! Go Weegee! Oh yeah! Oh yeah!
It-a-was-a-me, Mario!
Everyone should change their names on all their social medias to Luigi Mangione
Everyone should walk around with Luigi Mangione face masks.
Shut up about should and just fucking do it, Luigi Mangione.
Sincerely,
Luigi Mangione
the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy
“Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?”
“OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he.”
They can call us inhumane but they’re the ones who got us thinking of human lives in dollar values
They’re now also blaming Among Us for training him into an assassin, apparently.
Of this is true… Damn. Two thoughts come to mind when reading this.
- Rockstar Games has done so little with GTA for such a long time it is no longer the default ‘turn kids into criminals’-simulator.
- I am fucking old.
Remember when Jack Thompson was relevant? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
If you dont remember shooting lines of Elvis impersonators with an above head view and bullets that projectiles slowly across the screen, you’re not that old
All those kids that started playing GTA too young are now grown and taking it out on society because they don’t have a new GTA to work through their urges in.
smh the sus guy strikes again, this time out of retirement
I bet he knows the hacker 4chan too
A game with “500+ M downloads” on google play, plus like a dozen other platforms it’s on.
If 0.001% of among us players became CEO assassins, I don’t think we’d have any CEOs left.
LOL “quick, do the ‘it was video games!’ distraction “
So thin and weak
“Do you realize how much the wealthy are losing right now?”
Clearly, not nearly enough.
“Hey! This guy doesn’t worship the Dollar! Slander him!”
This whole thing is sooo fucking smelly. So, so very smelly
They can’t have us realize its that easy to take our country back from the corporations that own it or their entire power structure and caste society comes crashing down.
UnitedHealth Group has lost $45 billion in value since CEO Killing
Dont post pictures of headliness. Post links to the articles.
I mean those weren’t screenshots of headlines, they were a significant portion of the articles. At the time though it was just coming from CNN’s live coverage page, which I tried to link to above
The reason you need to give links isn’t because its not showing all the text. Its to prevent misinformation and to let people who are blind be able to read the article.
Sure, agreed, I posted screenshots on the fly as I saw the info. That being said is it was a “live feed” page and information was being changed on the fly with a single URL
Yes, even more of a reason to supply the link
Execution suspect. This was an execution done with popular support.
Maybe call it an assassination if uoj want to get political, but its widely recognized to being done in defense of the people. That’s not murder.
I am ripe for a headline like this, but the Examiner?
A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?
Sure Jan.
They definitely put way more effort into this shooting than any of the others that happened on the same day. Obviously the police are looking for a scapegoat
The murderer was sloppy though. The best way to murder someone and get away with it is to get elected POTUS. or be the son of a POTUS. Don’t go around committing crimes if you’re a normal citizen, silly.
He hasn’t said he didn’t do it, at least that we have heard. He’s just saying that a lot of the evidence is incorrect. The money is a flight risk, so they can argue to hold without bail. The manifesto, if it’s a plant, is to make him look “crazy,” so people distance (haha, backfire). And the faraday nonsense is to suggest that an ankle monitor would be of no use, so also no bail.
It’s all about holding him at this point.
His lawyer said there is no evidence he is the shooter.
I mean… that’s what they are paid to say.
Are you suggesting that a simple faraday bag can neutralize an ankle monitor?
It can, insofar as it will make it beep due to lack of signal and will alert the authorities as to your last know position
Im suggesting that they are suggesting. They don’t have to suggest reality, this is the justice system after all.
I read an article where he plead not guilty, or plans to.
And it’s all evidence his lawyers can use in court.
If all the rumors are true that he is in a ton of pain because of a back injury, I’ll bet they go with not guilty by reason of insanity. Pain makes you crazy.
He just needs some therapy. ❤️
Denied due to pre-existing conditions…
Would he end up institutionalized? Like, realistically, what would happen to him?
I’m sure they would send him to a few years in a medical facility. We will see if they want to make an example out of him. But I think that tactic would backfire
Not really related but I find it funny that you need money to get bail, but if you have money to pay bail, then you are flight risk and don’t get the option.
Yeah, that’s a whole topic in itself lol. The justice system is not made for the people, it’s made to keep the people from overpowering the ruling class.
- Likely wearing similar clothes to the widely circulated photographs. Otherwise how did anyone recognize him?
- Still had his ghost gun and manifesto on him.
- Cops asked him for an ID and he gave them the same fake New Jersey ID that had been widely reported as what he used to check into a hostel in NYC.
Where these just common mistakes? Made by the same person who succeeded at avoiding so many others? But if he was trying to turn himself in, getting arrested at McDonalds doesn’t seem like the method I would have chosen. Was he trying for suicide by police?
I’m leaning on the side of a normal human ‘on the run’ and making normal mistakes. But there is enough to make me doubt that.
Also if they ever make a movie out of this, James Franco’s brother Dave Franco has a passing resemblance.
If he did do it, he is going to be really popular in prison, but I imagine teased to. You realize that your not supposed to keep the ghost gun right?
Most people sent to US prisons commit victimless crimes. Very few of them used guns and the chances that he meets someone who used a ghost gun is near zero.
Most of the people he would meet in prison are black and brown people who were targeted for the color of their skin. The priosns are for-profit in the US, so keeping the beds full is important for the shareholders’ dividends.
I’m not convinced either way whether or not he’s the culprit, but I certainly don’t trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.
It seriously would be dismissed as a movie plot due to being too unrealistic…
One thing that lends credence to him being the culprit is that he’s from a well-to-do family, with a Republican state congressman cousin, no less. I would think they would prefer a poor to be their patsy.
A lot of people on all platforms trying to explain why he kept his gun, why he was caught so easily, and most coming up with easy explanations that fit their conspiracy theories.
The simple explanation is, he might be smarter than most, but maybe not enough to outsmart the whole NYPD police department. Maybe he kept his gun because he didn’t want to leave a trace. Maybe he wanted to get caught peacefully in a McD rather than dying in a shooting.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”. There’s a whole judicial process that goes on after the arrest, and if he’s found not to be the killer, the police will have to go back to square one on a cold trail. They usually don’t want that.
Also, to those who still don’t believe he’s the killer: he is. Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
How long have you lived in America? Have you ever heard of the Innocence Project? I mean we literally just executed a black man in Sept that was very likely innocent of the crime he was convicted of. Even the prosecutor wanted to stop the execution.
How is this related to the police planting evidence on suspects?
You’re questioning how innocent people being imprisoned or executed is related to false evidence? OK, here one that’s specific to planting evidence.
I like the example you chose because the facts reported support what I’m saying: eventually, if cops get too comfy planting evidence everywhere, someone down the line is going to notice and the judge will dismiss the case.
Jesus fuck, this is what Disney did to people’s minds. You’ll believe anything, as long as it ends with “…and they all lived happy ever after.”
He DID outsmart the whole NYPD. The only reason he was caught was a couple of randos in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.
Remember this bit from the Mayor?
"When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” "
Yeah, turns out, they had no clue.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat”.
Hahaha oh man i needed a good laugh today. https://www.themarshallproject.org/records/4692-cops-planting-evidence.
You have all too much faith in the US policing system and the sheer amount of money pressure bearing down on it at this very second to make an example out of this man.
Police don’t go capture a random dude and then plant every evidence on him “because they need a scapegoat"
Yikes, how cringe. And in the most public way possible. Hope you recover from this huge mistake someday soon.
Don’t worry. Just like every other bootlicker on the Internet, the PTB have seen their loyalty, and shall lift them on high to live out their halcyon days in Valhalla.
Well I guess that’ll teach me to try to have a rational and respectful discussion with a random stranger on the internet.
Calm down, smoke a bowl, read books on critical thinking and question the narrative even when if fits your worldview.
You still here? You’re not living in a DE-lux apartment in the sky yet?
“Stay the fuck away from the brown acid…!”
Of course the police plant evidence on people. There’s plenty of evidence of that occurring.
I know they do, but they usually keep it somewhat subtle because the goal is to reinforce the bad guy image of someone they already know is guilty (but can’t prove). Planting the main piece of evidence such as a gun is risky.
Why? They have the entire media apparatus to whitewash their narrative, and a bunch of idiots believing it, despite how flimsy their super convenient evidence is.
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High-profile case also means more scrutiny from everyone, which means there’s a bigger risk someone finds out what they did.
So, the police are sharing their behind-the-scenes “evidence” with you to achieve said scrutiny, yes? Can i see…?
Criminal says they’re not guilty. Never heard that before
A LOT of yesterday’s arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d’s with his murder weapon and a manifesto.
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which… uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the “faraday bag”.
As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?
So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried “in case someone needs to get a hold of me” had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.
You know the funny thing about these “ghost guns” is they are untraceable so you don’t know where they came from. The best way to pin them to someone is to “pin” them to that person. This can be through forensics or proximity. In this case the suspect just happens to have a gun whose origins are unknown. Very convenient.
💯
Why would someone this meticulous keep the gun that’s could have been ditched? Write out a memefesto like two hours before being caught? Wear the same clothes that could’ve also been directed or burned? This feels like a patsy.
Because, as many of us pointed out, he was never some super meticulous hitman. He exhibited basic knowledge of firearms and got his stalker on like the ceo what got got was a pretty girl who asked to borrow a pencil that one time in biology class. The rest was taking a bus and wearing a face mask most of the time. It was inevitable that he would be caught unless he fled the country.
Mostly this just highlighted how incompetent cops are. And… might be used to further efforts to just use computer vision and rudimentary “AI” to process security camera footage in the future.
As for why he would keep his gun on him? The manifesto kind of says it all (and, to my knowledge, Luigi has not disputed THAT aspect of it). He wanted to get caught. Probably after making it clear he could have escaped if he wanted to (because getting on a flight out of the US would have been trivial).
To be clear. If he were to have disputed the gun and manifesto I would VERY rapidly be on the side of "cops are planting shit yet again’. But the fact that he hasn’t (to my knowledge) while disputing other potentially planted or misinterpreted evidence puts the kibosh on that.
If he wanted to get caught, why would he say the evidence was planted?
He did not say “the” evidence was planted. He said “that” evidence was planted. As in a subset.
And, as I pointed out above, said evidence makes sense. The “faraday bag” is just an intentional misinterpretation. As for the foreign currency? People very much underestimate how much loose cash cops have due to civil forfeiture and it is a really easy way to argue that someone is a flight risk and should not be granted bail.
If he wanted to be caught he could’ve turned himself in though, make it big and public if he wanted that attention.
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Damn. Another Adjustment made, may he never stop Adjusting.
The play would have been to go to Canada, take the ferry to St. Pierre and Michelon, Then book a flight to France. Going to France from France through Montreal, you’d not have to clear passport control in Canada on your way to France. Although there is a non-stop from St. Pierre direct to Paris. If he didn’t have a bad back, he could have joined the FFL and gotten a new identity and French citizenship. From France, he could go anywhere.
Fall guy, planted by the mob to give the NYPD credit that they aren’t just a bunch of guys with big bellies keystone copping around, probably they have a deal with a mob boss to not bust their child exploitation ring if they have them some dude who can sit in prison
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Everyone keeps calling him meticulous and I’m just curious what you found meticulous about it.
The way he fired off those shots was practiced.
His getaway sure was and dropping a bag off that had monopoly money seems more well thought out than “have gun and no change clothes”
I suppose if you think running across the street, riding an e-bike for awhile, and then ditching it in a park is meticulous then we just don’t share a definition of meticulous.
The getaway might not have been as meticulous as the plan leading up to the getaway.
I still wonder if that was actual monopoly money or if they were just talking about Canadian dollars.
Wait, people actually do that on accident? They aren’t just making sure their boss can’t call them?
Is there a decent thread on the facts somewhere? I am still trying to wrap my head around how they connected the subject of the shooting video to the subject of the crime stoppers picture. There are so many diffs it’s like a Mad Magazine bit.
Welcome to the US justice system, where the rules are made up and the facts don’t matter.
But… a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but…) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell.
What are you referring to here? I’m not scouring the internet for all the information I can find but everything I’ve seen so far paints the picture of a perfectly sane person who was fed up with a broken system. I see similar sentiments all over the internet literally every day.
Well he also played this game where you act as an assassin called Among Us…
Where is the body camera footage?
Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.
Luigi didn’t do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative
Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
It ain’t a crime!
Saying Mangione is a hero implies you’re convinced he’s the killer. Not great…
the original scene in the Sopranos is about Christopher Columbus, so…
he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.
That’s a very conservative estimate.
Statistically the 1% are benefiting from the insurance parasites.
Considerably less than that.
“The 1%” is, ironically, a way to protect the elites and keep us divided amongst ourselves. But that ignores the wealth inequality issues and how many people aren’t even “middle class”.
In plenty of states? Making low six figures is already enough to put you as a “one percenter” for your demographic. Especially if you have a partner who makes a similar amount of money. And that scales with cost of living. A couple years ago (during the pandemic) I saw a really good breakdown that basically showed “if you can afford to live on your own, you are probably at least a top 5% earner”
And those people are just as vulnerable to an illness that insurance doesn’t cover.
No. The people benefiting aren’t even the “1%”. It is a ridiculously small percentage of the population.
Because the population of the US is 346.3 million people. One percent of that is about 3.5 million people. You are almost guaranteed to know some “one percenters” and they are probably actually great people who are having a lot of the same struggles as you. Maybe they can afford to buy fast food but they are still only one or two bad days away from being destitute. Which tempers anger and rage and protects the people who actually have the vast majority of the wealth in this country.
Interesting to consider that were the 0.01%ers to simply disappear, nobody would miss them at all. And if they were to disappear and their money were to be distributed amongst the rest of us, we would all have significantly improved lives.
My wife and I live on my income (not amazingly but we make do in a suburban part of a lower aide of middle income state) and I’m less than half the 5% threshold for the lowest state.
Somebody got to own all them shares
Please don’t say fake news. You sound like a far right nutjob. We are better than that.
You can call out news as being fake without being right wing buddo. All mainstream media owned by Sinclair is fake. Anything in between has a narrative they’re trying to achieve. If it ain’t journalism, it’s a dead opinion.
95% of what is out is fake news… You can call it what you want.
Also this ain’t about politics. Both sides use the same tactic lol
Yeah lol that’s my point?
