Excerpt:
Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
Criminal says they’re not guilty. Never heard that before
Sounds to me like they couldn’t catch the real shooter but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media. It doesn’t make sense, his family are millionaires…the boomers might buy this crap, but anyone gen x or younger isn’t going to believe this for one minute.
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
and then $2,000 in foreign currency
Seems like the typical American Scapegoat™. I wonder what “foreign currency” they’re referring to… Feels like an urge from US authorities to use this case as “muh [placeholder for the name of some imaginary international bogeyman which US authorities believe it’s under their beds right now]”.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication
Something that’s one of the most sold products from Amazon, Shopee, AliExpress, among other marketplaces. For example, it’s sold even in some major grocery stores here in Brazil, so I imagine that a similar scenario happens in the US.
It’s got protection especially for contactless cards (so these cards can’t be used at a distance for paying things the cardholder isn’t aware of), and it generally offers some water protection (it’s not expected to be diving together at some beach with the cardholder, but it’d definitely offer some protection against spills and minimal soaked clothes due to rain, for example).
Yeah, prosecutors are really trying to smear this guy to look dangerous. Try harder. An RF-blocking bag is just to prevent theft, hacking and protect privacy. I’m a bit confident he’s the guy but I can’t say beyond a reasonable doubt given the circumstances and how the police are incentivised to frame anyone.
Since news reports keep jumping around between a McDonald’s customer and a McDonald’s employee offering the tip, every inconsistency will only bolster this guy’s case. I can make guesses that this guy wanted to get caught or was a little sloppy, but if he says otherwise then finding everything including the gun is a little suspicious. Get him the best lawyer in the biz, I’m sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over.
I’m sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over
I could be OOTL, but I’m a bit puzzled this isn’t happening at a massive scale given the overwhelming support. Anybody got his official Crowd Funding page or whatever you kids use these days?
The usual platforms have been racing to remove any crowdfunding pages for him.
I’m sure someone would do it Pro bono.
the NYPD are lying about everything. Luigi seems like a cool dude but he’s not the shooter.
Age 20-30, has a good bag to carry thier tech around day to day, dislikes american health insurance, and may be mentally unwell without proper diagnosis; Describes every college student I know.
If the more concrete evidence is you where within a few miles of the incident in NY, as well know NY is not a dense urban city…
It’s all hard to say, rampant distrust of the police means, knowing they are desperate to pin it on anyone, we can’t trust what they say.
Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he’s falling for it.
“The gun WASN’T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!” etc, etc.
While this is generally good advice, it doesn’t apply to public spectacle.
There’s countless cases in the US where public pressure forced the government to drop charges or at least reduce sentences.
This guy has support from 99% of the people. Keeping that support is important to his defense.
This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now “lawyer”. Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.
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“I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer.”
It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn’t mean they won’t stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.
Not sometimes, but ALWAYS state that you are invoking your right to remain silent.
Doesn’t matter if it’s one of the states that presumes you are invoking your right, because you might be the court case that decides otherwise this time.
Glad to see this here. In many jurisdictions, if the law doesn’t say it previous rulings do: you must invoke the rights to silence and to counsel.
It sucks but plenty of judges want to give the police every chance they can get, like those dickheads who OK’d forcing people to unlock their phones because “you already gave police your fingerprint”.
I think he wants to go to prison, why else be so sloppy in the final stretch?
Unless the gun was in the backpack Muad’dib ditched, and the cops just chose a random guy to scapegoat with the evidence they hid.
I guess we’ll find out more in the next few weeks
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Duh
A Faraday cage (bag) is not sophisticated. WTF, one can build one from chicken wire.
From the article:
Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.
They should have said “the suspect’s movements” or “the shooter’s movements”. Not “Mangione’s movements”. They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can’t they?
Fuck Chomsky.
Curious as to why you think this?
I’ve heard he’s a meany, but that’s all I know
They said with no support…
Are you the CEO of a news corporation, bud?
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I’m confused.
It seems kinda grey because they’re not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they’d have to alledge, which they did alledge about his “type” of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don’t know yet. That is-- or used to be – a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.
I think they’re saying it definitely was Mangione who was recorded at the hotel, which if he was checking in/out is pretty easy to prove. From there they lost track of him because they didn’t know his route or he just didn’t show up on any other cameras.
I agree that the wording is likely intentional to imply guilt, but is loose enough that they could claim that isn’t what they were doing.
It’s an American newspaper, so it’s up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
Maybe Luigi can sue them with all the money people on GoFundMe are desperate to give him.
Luigi needs to shut up and let his lawyer do the talking for him.
that bag was waterproof
…bruh, the Judge Judy trap?! Falling for the oldest trick in the book.
Step 1 - Have an AI scrape social media looking for someone similar looking who has posted negative things about the insurance Industry.
Step 2 - sprinkle crack on them
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - record breaking profits for health insurance corporations every year forever and ever and ever
I’m pretty sure Step 3 is “get out of here”.
People who know this shit have been through Mangione’s social media feeds.
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/alleged-ceo-shooter-luigi-mangione
The guy likely did it. The guy’s social media history puts him right in that “potential mass shooter” territory, but one more radicalized by pain rather than the right-wing shitholes of the internet.
But the part no one’s talking about yet are the copycats to come. Because this guy got attention for it. Accolades even. That’s part of what mass shooters want. Attention. Accolades are a wet dream for them.
At least this will be better than when they were murdering children for the shock value.
So yeah, I think “Rich asshole murdered” will become more common. If only the richest asshole in whatever Podunk little town the mass shooter was from.
And yet, I can’t say that it will be a completely bad thing. If the mass shootings must happen, (and America apparently says they must) then I’d rather it be a rich asshole who bites it than a classroom full of grade schoolers.
A lot of people in this sub could be put in “potential killer” territory based on the comments made but that doesn’t mean they are/were
A lot of people in this sub just need a radicalization event.
Luigi was radicalized by pain.
A lot of people
in this subjust need a radicalization event.When you back someone into a corner, chances are sooner or later they’re going to fight back.
Killing one specific person and then fucking off does not, a mass-shooting, make.
No, but it’s the same sort of pattern that you see in mass shooters.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
The sort of young man who wouldn’t mind dying, or killing, for a cause, even if that cause is just gaining people’s attention.
In the US, those sorts of young men do all sorts of things, many live productive lives. But almost every single mass shooter is one of those young men. Luigi is one of those young men, That’s why the comparison is apt.
He just decided to kill a rich asshole instead of a bunch of randos. All because his particular radicalization was via pain instead of the usual right wing internet shitholes.
Howzat three letter paycheck? Or do you suck that short ripoff for your sole and a lying crock or righteousness?
Uhh, thank you but we have plenty of fresh towels.
Then why the fuck do you think this is being so regularly used by such regular travelers of space and time, newbie? LOL.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
Yeah, those are in short supply.
Disaffected young men. Educated, but with minimal meaningful job prospects. Little to no family, or no close ties.
It’s almost like society is getting more dangerous for everyone cause we’re letting young men become disaffected.
It’s their privilege that allows them to act out in a violent manner.
Are you saying that “Eat the Rich” has started?
It has, the copycats are coming.
It won’t be exactly targeted, but more rich assholes will be murked.
I’m not convinced either way whether or not he’s the culprit, but I certainly don’t trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.
It seriously would be dismissed as a movie plot due to being too unrealistic…
One thing that lends credence to him being the culprit is that he’s from a well-to-do family, with a Republican state congressman cousin, no less. I would think they would prefer a poor to be their patsy.
I don’t believe this guy is guilty. He doesn’t even look like the guy in the photo, whose jacket isn’t even the same color as the shooter, not that it even means anything. That shit’s mass produced just like almost everything else.
