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Just happens to coincide w/ the 2024 elections… Riiiiight.
The 2024 elections… Next year? If it was last year, would you say it JUST HAPPENED to coincide with the midterms? Give me a break
2024 elections in UK? I didn’t know that.
I’ve never stopped but it’s made me depressed when I was seemingly the only one doing it :/
Hahahahhajaj you can wear them at you house if you want
hahaha long Covid is so funny!
Lol right? Eff that.
“Again”
I never stopped. Fuck’s sake, people. Covid never went away.
It’s just that people don’t consider it that bad to get it and are under the impression that masks don’t do anything. Of course with a sentiment like that people moved on, in a way and stopped masking or caring.
As an avid mask wearer I’m here to say that the critics are right, masks don’t do anything. They don’t make it harder to breathe, think, feel, or exist out in public…oh and they don’t do anything to your lungs, liver, kidneys, heart, or brain…unlike COVID…that shit can fuck you up.
We’re used to viruses that have narrow cell types they can infect. Rhinoviruses can infect mucus membranes in the head and maybe throat. Influenza can infect the same plus lung tissue.
These coronaviruses can infect so many cell types. Because it’s spread via the air, it almost always infects mucus membranes of the head first, then moves to lungs (or maybe it infects lungs first in some people). So we think of it as a respiratory virus at first.
Now we know it can infect tissues of the gut, fat, T cells, and the testes. There was a wave of orchitis/epididymitis that was discovered to be coronavirus caused. I’m not sure if it’s considered COVID, I think COVID is the respiratory disease caused by coronavirus, but not sure about other diseases. Similar to how the varicella virus causes two diseases: chicken pox and shingles.
I’ve worn one since Covid when in public and my life isn’t impacted negatively in any way whatsoever.
Do you think the severity of infection is important? Meaning, if previous variants were wiped out and the only variants still spreading were less severe than a common cold, would you keep wearing masks?
What’s the point of this hypothetical? It’s both not remotely close to where we are currently and has redefined the consequences to absurdity.
“Would you still wear a mask if the consequence of infection was a single light sneeze?”
“Would you wear a seat belt if the only consequence of car crashes was a small bruise?”
Yes because I don’t want car crashes to spread to those are driving safely
The point of my hypothetical is that communicable diseases have a tendency to evolve to be less pathogenic over time. So it’s likely that each new covid strain is less harmful than the last. I’m wondering where you draw the line?
Personally, preventing a light sneeze isn’t a big enough reason to wear a mask.
The point of my hypothetical is that communicable diseases have a tendency to evolve to be less pathogenic over time.
That’s not actually a real thing. It was a theory by a guy in the 1800s that’s been soundly debunked but spread because people want to believe it’s true.
And it never will. It’s just one of those things people get in the cold part of the year now.
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They work better than your brain does.
LOL
They do.
From: Verma, S., Dhanak, M., & Frankenfield, J. (2020). Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets. Physics of Fluids, 32(6), 061708. https://doi.org/10.1063/5.0016018
TABLE I. A summary of the different types of masks tested, the materials they are made of, and their effectiveness in impeding droplet-dispersal. The last column indicates the distance traveled by the jet beyond which its forward progression stops. The average distances have been computed over multiple runs, and the symbol “∼” is used to indicate the presence of high variability in the first two scenarios listed.
Mask type Material Threads/in. Average jet distance
Uncovered … … ∼8 ft
Bandana Elastic T-shirt material 85 ∼3 ft 7 in.
Folded handkerchief Cotton 55 1 ft 3 in.
Stitched mask Quilting cotton 70 2.5 in.
Commercial maska Unknown Randomly assorted fibres 8 in.
As somebody with family in the extremely high risk of death category twice over, I’ll make sure we’re all extra careful.
Unfortunately, masks only protect others, not yourself, and so we must rely on the intelligence of others around us to wear masks to protect their loved ones and the at risk British population.
So, we shall see. Mark my words, if these people kill my family, I will never forgive them. Right wing antivax tossers and left wing apathetic idiots, I’ll never forgive either group. On my deathbed in the 2080s I won’t forgive them.
In the US, it’s extremely unlikely we’ll see more masks being required unless we see the Healthcare system getting overwhelmed with sick Covid patients again.
Politically it will be suicide for the democrats.
I don’t know, the people who threw hissy fits about masking were Republicans, who, historically, don’t vote for Democrats.
Did you form that opinion from social media? Because there are certainly plenty of Democrats who were upset over masks, but you would never see it on Reddit. Though Republicans are probably more likely than Democrats to be against masking, as I vaguely recall from some polls on covid.
From social media, media, and my personal experience.
Polling generally showed Democrats supporting masking by a massive margin. The most recent poll I could find (April 2022) had support for mandatory masking on public transportation among Democrats as 80-5.
You’d be surprised, a lot of democrats (so called anyway) were pissed off about wearing them too. Especially in the inner city.
It blows my mind how upset people get about masking. During the two primary years of Covid where I isolated and masked religiously, I didn’t get sick once or even have allergies (despite visiting parks often).
Now companies have RTO and try to get everyone in on the same days so illness spreads like wildfire. People sitting right beside me hacking their lungs out.
People do not want to be told what to do. They do not want to be inconvenienced.
Personally I hated wearing a mask. it was a huge pain in my ass, and mostly unnecessary most of the time except on public transit or in like a very crowded place like a grocery store.
If wearing a mask is a pain in your ass then you’re wearing it wrong.
Depends, a lot of people talk out their ass. :P
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Where exactly were you wearing a mask other than crowded public places? Nobody ever told you to wear it at home.
In my country, there was a mask mandate in all enclosed areas except private residences, even when you were the only person there.
In what non private residence enclosed places are you alone? I can’t think of any. Are you talking about hotels or… Because yea that would be ridiculous. But also, since you’re alone it’s not like anyone can enforce the mandate or even know you’re not following it.
In my case, it was a hackerspace. It has windows to the street, so if the police would have happened to go along the street and see that, they could have intervened.
There was one report in the newspapers where they fined a small card playing organization due to that, but of course they were a group of people.
I used masks, got the vaccine and boosters, washed my hands religiously and so on. Still got sick. With something as transmissible as corona a lot of it is just luck, good or bad
Right, but that doesn’t mean your precautions were worthless. Even if you are eventually going to catch it, delaying the infection reduces how much it can spread and means fewer people get it at the same time (reducing the impact). Some of these precautions will also reduce the severity of the illness, which is a huge win for you personally! Of course none of these precautions are perfect, but they’re still helpful and limit the damage caused by the pandemic.
You’re probably already well aware of this, of course! I’ve just seen a bunch of people saying things like “well I did X and I still got sick, so we shouldn’t do X”, which I don’t think is the right conclusion for something that impacts the entire population. There’s billions of dice rolls in this equation, and you got some bad luck (I’m sorry you got sick :( ), but I think you still gave yourself better odds and improved the odds for everybody else as well, which is great!
I think we should do those things but just that doing all of the stuff isn’t a guarantee. It just betters your odds. I did all we were recommended and got hit with it, meanwhile a friend of mine did none of the recommended things (almost the opposite) and hasn’t got it so far. Lucy bastard.
It blows my mind how upset people get about masking
The pandemic is when I gave up on the notion that diehard conservatives had even a shred of intelligence or morals. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing from them.
Nice anecdotal story. I know many people that masked and still do and got multiple brands of vaccines and multiple boosters and still got sick multiple times. So which one of us is correct? Neither. There are far more variables that matter.
Nice anecdotal story. I know many people…
Love when people follow up calling someone elses arguments anecdotal by providing their own anecdotal arguments.
👐 You don’t understand, oh kaaay? 👐 This person knows many people who washed hand, very often, very clean, and they still got sick. Many people are saying that masks is a very bad thing 👐 and not at all a way to prevent China virus which is a Democratic hoax…instead we’re looking very hard at cleaning in the lungs 👐 isn’t that right doctor? 🫲
Antivaxxers and antimaskers are a shitplague.
Do you not understand what “reduction” means?
How sick did they get? Consider that people who get vaccinated aren’t just less likely to get it, they’re also less likely to have serious cases.
So which one of us is correct?
Spoiler alert, it’s the other guy, the one who was following the advice of medical professionals and reducing spread.
What a twist!
The mask helped against my allergies too!
It was a bit of a disappointed when I noticed the world wanted to kill me of allergies and a simple mask would help me out.
It was easy before having a child. After having a kid it’s impossible.
I wear masks but I absolutely hate it. Maybe if you work from home you don’t notice, but wearing that thing for 9-10 hours can be a real pain. On top of that you miss a lot of a person’s face, I had to meet a lot of new people during that time and it was hard.
I’m not saying it’s enjoyable. It’s especially awful when it’s hot & humid, if you wear glasses, or when wearing for a long period of time. But when the alternative is increasing the chances of catching/spreading a dangerous virus… well there isn’t much of an argument against.
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Id be surprised if anyone actually does this. I don’t think anyone cares anymore.
I am worried about my grandma though, she’s old and covid has a way with old people.
Yeah, its endemic now. When will it stop being news the way flu is, that kills people too
Physician here. Masks absolutely reduce transmission and the chance of contracting COVID.
Here is the definitive study on the subject.
Here is a video of a presentation by one of the authors along with some demonstrations and explanations.
TLDR: Here is the Abstract:
There is ample evidence that masking and social distancing are effective in reducing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. However, due to the complexity of airborne disease transmission, it is difficult to quantify their effectiveness, especially in the case of one-to-one exposure. Here, we introduce the concept of an upper bound for one-to-one exposure to infectious human respiratory particles and apply it to SARS-CoV-2. To calculate exposure and infection risk, we use a comprehensive database on respiratory particle size distribution; exhalation flow physics; leakage from face masks of various types and fits measured on human subjects; consideration of ambient particle shrinkage due to evaporation; and rehydration, inhalability, and deposition in the susceptible airways. We find, for a typical SARS-CoV-2 viral load and infectious dose, that social distancing alone, even at 3.0 m between two speaking individuals, leads to an upper bound of 90% for risk of infection after a few minutes. If only the susceptible wears a face mask with infectious speaking at a distance of 1.5 m, the upper bound drops very significantly; that is, with a surgical mask, the upper bound reaches 90% after 30 min, and, with an FFP2 mask, it remains at about 20% even after 1 h. When both wear a surgical mask, while the infectious is speaking, the very conservative upper bound remains below 30% after 1 h, but, when both wear a well-fitting FFP2 mask, it is 0.4%. We conclude that wearing appropriate masks in the community provides excellent protection for others and oneself, and makes social distancing less important.TY! Also a physician. So tired of this discussion. Everyone is masked in my clinic. Anecdotal, and my partner and I are still covid free, and hope to continue. Masking, distancing, hand washing, and isolation when sick, these simple, time tested, behavioral changes can significantly reduce risk of infection.
reduce
Sadly, a huge portion of the American public don’t have this word in their vocabulary. Masks and vaccines either eliminate all risk, and “work” or don’t completely eliminate all risk and therefore “don’t work.”
This lower ape thinking inflicted so much unnecessary death and suffering here.
It’s an intentional thing, pushed by propagandists. Thinking in absolutes reduces the need for critical thinking skills as whole. When you can make people boil everything in the world down to a binary, its very easy to tell them how to think, and equally easy to define the “out” group you all hate.
To wit, when masks “work or don’t work”, you can look at the people telling you to wear masks, and because masks “don’t work” they’re wrong, and if they’re wrong, then the people we aren’t telling you to wear a mask are right. You should always follow people who are right… right?
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There are definitely people who pushed this thinking and benefitted from it. But it takes root because it has essential appeal. The brain is an expensive organ and people go out of their way to eliminate complex thought, because it’s hard work. Humans instinctively look to other humans because that provides a shortcut: why spend those 200 calories figuring something out when your neighbor already has and you’d just be reinventing the wheel.
I think something like 30% of the US have an IQ below 80. This is a very real issue with the public itself. It is preyed upon, but it isn’t totally imposed by a shadow conspiracy. It’s the way people are.
Was following you until you brought up IQ. IQ tests were invented by racists to do racism. I.e., the tests were geared towards white people purposely to skew results when POC took them. Look up the history. It is equal parts horrible and fascinating.
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I just learned all about the IQ test from Veritassium, a source I trust.
There’s definitely more to it now than racism. I recommend watching the video. Not to deny what you are saying as history but if you are still entirely dismissing the IQ test because it’s racist, then you don’t know what’s in it.
Make one that black people will do better on to test the theory.
It’s the forced tyranny that is a problem. Why Covid is such a big deal. The sheep need to go hide in their bubble and stop imposing their will on others. Do as I say or suffer is their way of operating.
That’s a little problematic when one person can infect everyone else. People, including you apparently, need to understand that personal freedom ends where it starts causing consequences for others. It’s an interconnected society more than ever, not just a collection of separate, independent heros, like some enjoy believing. If you think asking people to cover their cough is tyranny instead of just good sense and manners, then you are the problem. If folks could behave responsibly, we wouldn’t need mandates. But you can’t, and routinely think your freedom entitles you to put others at risk, so mandates you get.
Just took care of my 80 year old dad with the new CoV-SARS variant in NJ. Despite being out if date for boosters, I managed to not catch it by following the recommended protocols. Social distancing, regular cleaning, and masks inside do work to reduce the spread.
⭐ <– my lemmy gold for you, excellent writeup
With a lot of overreactions this gonna be hard this time.
By overreaction I mean f.e. closing forests in my country.
There’s going to be a lot less trust/compliance for any overreach, that’s for sure
Why would you go to work if you know you are not feeling well??
Never stopped wearing them. COVID never went away.
