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[indecipherable] you Nancy!
Because of course she is.
The “Lessor evil” party folks.
I mean… Yes. They are less evil. Way less evil. It’s not even close.
Pelosi is a giant piece of shit, but she doesn’t make the top 75% of conservatives.
Also AOC is a goddamn gem. Conservatives have previously zero of those.
Are Democrats anywhere near where I want to be? No. But I can’t see how anyone could say they’re the same.
There is a seemingly, almost intentional obtuseness to internal criticisms of the DNC from folks on the part of Democrats.
Fundamental to why the right has been able to organize a fascist takeover of this nation is actions like this from the Democratic party. Fascism in this country wouldn’t be ascendant if the DNC didn’t rat-fuck Bernie, twice. Health care CEO’s wouldn’t be getting gunned down in the street if the DNC forced M4A instead of the corporate sellout of Obamacare in 2016. Trump would not have won if Democrats had focused their efforts and spent their political capitol on issues that would make a fundamental difference in peoples lived experience in the period of 2021-2024. We wouldn’t be in this position if Democrats didn’t slow walk the prosecution of Donald Trump, effectively sitting on their hands until an election year to start taking action.
The state of this country is a direct consequence of the managerial class politics, which is all that the DNC has come to represent in a post 2024 world. They enable and empower the ratchet effect that allows the rightwing to become more and more fascist, because they are only ever willing to be a lessor evil.
They’re rich and using rich advisors from the corporate executive sector. Is it any wonder they act like they don’t care about the working class and don’t care if Trump wins? They probably don’t believe he will do half the stuff he says he’s going to do. They’re used to losing and making millions of dollars off GOP trickle down policies. Crying right into their bank accounts. This is why we need more people from the working class in Congress. Why we need to uncap the House of Representatives. If we let the House of Representatives float a ratio like we used to a couple things happen. One, we can have cheaper, smaller campaigns that aren’t off limits to the working class. Two, we can further reduce the cost of running for office by using telework stuff. Anything classified can be done in any government building or military base that has access to the government’s secure intranet. This isn’t 1940 anymore, there is no more argument for freezing the number the seats in Congress.
All of this
IAWTP
Fuck everything about Pelosi and her bullshit insider trading.
She’s not there to help Americans, she’s there to maximize her and her husbands investments.
“Blue no matter who” winds up like ghouls like this running the party, because they’ll never give up personal.power, and corrupt enough to sell out for campaign donations.
We have to have more standard than the letter by a name.
There is no realistic third party option in the US. The way the right solves this is by primarying out the centrists in favour of people more aligned with their views. Even before Trump there was the Tea Party takeover. I suspect this is the most viable path forward for US leftists too. If Pelosi had her way AOC wouldn’t even have a seat, so there’s proof enough there that the plan can work.
Be the change you want to see then. Make the viable third party that isn’t just a Russian troll op.
I don’t know much about her, but what little I do know, she’s the Democrat’s version of McConnell.
Nope, McTurtle got rich along the way. But his lifelong goal has been packing the courts.
He is literally salivating like he just walked into a salad bar at the 42 vacancies Biden is about to hand over.
Pelosi doesn’t give a shit about the Dem platform or helping people. She wants America to stay in the early 90s, that used to be enough to be considered somewhat progressive.
But the early 90s were 30 years ago. Imagine calling someone in the early 90s progressive because they wanted America to go back to pre civil rights movement.
That’s the same time frame.
The right move was forming a serious left third party decades ago. We’d have a right, center, and left party and nothing would get done without some compromise between the wings, likely leading to a more fluid party structure.
We’d never see this shit where a handful of republican extremists sabotage everything no matter who has the majority.
Nope, McTurtle got rich along the way. But his lifelong goal has been packing the courts.
He is literally salivating like he just walked into a salad bar at the 42 vacancies Biden is about to hand over.
Moscow Mitch is a politician, and a good one (in the sense of “good at manipulating political affairs”, not “a good person”). He’s a canny cunt, and that’s the most dangerous enemy you could come up with: one that knows what they’re doing.
No, a third party is non viable. But the right move would have been exactly what the crazy right wingers have done with the Republicans. Get organized and primary the fuck out of the people blocking things.
The “tea party” gave us the blueprint, but we’ve been too dumb and lazy to follow it. When they didn’t give us the public option with Obamacare, every primary since then should have been about cleaning house of the corporatist, establishment Democrats and replacing them with real progressives. But since we’re too lazy and dumb to vote in primaries in mass numbers, their establishment people keep sailing to victory.
Get organized and primary the fuck out of the people blocking things.
You’re ignoring primaries are rigged, the party can just ignore the results, and pro-corpo candidates take in an insane amount of bribes.
Primaries are only rigged in that yes, the rules and the entire framework is built to benefit those currently in power, but that is less rigged than the general is against a third party, which is to say, totally, absolutely, and unassailably rigged. Proclaiming it impossible because it’s rigged is silly when you’re advocating for instead competing in one that is far, far more rigged and has far more structure to prevent any upsets.
We have never actually won a primary and had them ignore it. They use their structural advantages as much as they can, but if we push hard enough to overcome those advantages, they don’t just nullify the election and go with their candidate. We do get people like Ocasio-Cortez in there from time to time, when people actually show up to the primaries enough to flip it to the more progressive candidate. If we got enough candidates like her in, not just in congress but state houses and such too, we’d actually start getting places.
Now the bribes and money on the corporate side, nothing we can do about that - we have to overcome it so that we can get officials in place that will do something about it.
Now lemme put it this way. I live in bumfuck Ohio where there’s no chance of a progressive candidate being elected. But I still vote in every primary. People who live in places where there is more of a chance of doing something need to be as diligent as I am, if not more, damnit.
Correct. This is why there is essentially zero chance at political reform in this country without large scale violence. Granted, that violence will almost certainly be misdirected, but I think given the actual state of the system it truly is a forgone conclusion that we will see mass civil unrest within the next (~20) years.
That system is only for Presidential Primaries. There’s a primary for most positions all the way down to dog catcher. Getting a partisan seat gives you a voice in the state party and possibly the national if your seat is high enough. Get enough Congressional seats and you control the special delegate swing in Presidential Primaries. Might they change that system as a progressive movement gets more seats? Sure, and they can have another riot outside their national convention too.
The very thing you call rigging is vulnerable to a tea party style primary challenge.
Decades ago, a group calling itself The New Party tried to eliminate the spoiler effect of third parties through the practice of electoral fusion, that is, allowing the same candidate to run and appear on the ballot under more than one political party. That way, they’d know where their support came from. But the Democratic Farm Labor Party (Minnesota’s Democratic Party organization) went to court to shut it down, offering the specious argument that it would confuse voters.
Would the corporatist, establishment Democrats allow an upstart progressive movement into its primaries?
The closer they hold primaries, the worse their voter turn out gets. It’s a double edged sword.
No surprise there.
Establishment Democrats would rather have power held by Republicans than by progressive Democrats.
And AOC has been kowtowing to Pelosi for the last few years in hopes of going along to get along. Hopefully this will wake up progressive Democrats to realize they will never be accepted by corporate Democrats, no matter how much they move to the right to appease them.
this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That’s how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they’ve had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see… Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas
No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.
Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.
Funny that lemmy.world keeps whining about .ml types trying to get people not to vote when these fucking neoliberal ghouls are a better argument against it than anything they could ever say.
The election was an opportunity to keep the GOP out of power and enacting fascist rule. Doesn’t matter how awful the dems were they would never reach that level depravity. It was a total lost opportunity for anyone who did not support the Democrat candidate.
That said there is no cause that the DNC can have significant impact on moving forward. They failed at the one thing they were suppose to do. It’s a sunk cost, because we know they can’t consistently win or even win decisively. It’s so sick that every election for the last 10 years has been GOP favored. It doesn’t make any sense but here we are.
I vote Democrat because the other option is a Fascist, Democrats do this shit like breathing and it only makes me hate filling the bubble of “Not the open fascist party” party.
I’ve always wanted to ask how nice that sheriff was. I’ve read that he let you take visitors in his office and whatnot.
Can Pelosi just sit her big ass titties down and let us move on?
I’m glad she broke her hip. Genuinely, she deserves worse for constantly sabotaging any efforts to actually represent the working class in the Democratic Party.
Oh, an old guy, super surprised. But yeah if you haven’t seen the other committee seat fights; there is a real fight going on right now for the future of the Democratic Party. The committee seats are probably the most outward expression of it.
goddamn nancy it’s going so well so far, keep squeezing it’s almost dead.
Look, I found the problem with the DNC. Yes, it’s rotten to the core and you will never change it.
There are ways to change it. You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself. https://pelosi.house.gov/contact/offices/washington-dc-office
Note about contacting her: sadly she was hospitalized just recently: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/nancy-pelosi-hospitalized-congressional-visit-luxembourg-rcna184144 even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery. It’s likely that no matter her health it would go to her secretary so perhaps if lots of people call the message would still get passed along to her once she gets better.
They could also get money out of the primary process and that would have the largest impacts
You can attend local Democratic party meetings in your city. You can also vote in the primaries and you could also call Nancy Pelosi yourself.
Good news, everybody. I put in a quick call and made a few salient points. Nancy agreed with me on all of them and says she’s reversing her decision.
even if I disagree with her sometimes I still wish her a full recovery
Why are you so invested in licking boots?
What have you done to make things better? Sitting and not doing anything lets the other people do things you don’t want. Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want. Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi. Also Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party. That’s because people who feel AOC is good for the party aren’t being heard by her.
Sitting and not doing anything
Why are the only two options “Be a three term Congresswoman” or “Do Nothing”?
Having an influence increases the chances of getting what you want.
The problem is that AOC has no influence. She can’t impact the language of legislation, the priorities of national spending, or the operation of her assigned committees.
Imagine if people primaried Nancy Pelosi.
Its been tried, repeatedly. Her position is unassailable, largely by way of name recognition. The cost of running a campaign in a media market as expensive as San Fransisco’s is astronomical. That, combined with her influence in state and local political leadership, means Dems close ranks and shut more left-leaning candidates out of public leadership in local political establishments.
Nancy Pelosi is likely trying to tank AOC’s committee bid because she feels she’s making the best decision for the party
Oh well, in that case, I guess who are we to question her judgement.
I think either my post wasn’t clear or you misread it. I’m talking about simple actions you can take to improve the DNC. If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party. I’m not talking about AOC’s influence, I’m talking about yours.
If you get involved you can have your voice heard in the party.
I don’t think you’ve ever actually volunteered in a Democratic political campaign. The party leadership is far more interested in talking than listening.
I’m not talking about AOC’s influence
If a three-term Congresswoman with enormous fundraising power isn’t able to influence her Minority Leader, what is she even doing in that job?
what is she even doing in that job?
Waiting for nature to take its course, which won’t be long.
People SCREAMED at the party. Muslim Democrat voters made all the democracy moves, and got told to get lost:
- Organized a massive protest movement,
- Made their desires and convictions known publicly and directly to leadership who’d listen
- Turned out and protested in person
- Were snubbed any kind of representation or platform at the DNC, even for a curated speech by a sitting Congressional member
- Ran a massive protest vote in the Democratic primaries, which if sustained (which it was in the general) meant that the Dems would loose Michigan at a minimum (which Kamala did) and its 15 electoral college votes went for Trump
The party has to be listening for anyone’s voice to be heard. Until you hit your FEC donor limit and the throw down even more for a Super PAC, or pay for a seat at fundraiser dinner/chat a you’re definitely a nobody to them. We need a new party:
Organizers said about 700 people attended the fundraiser. Ticket prices ranged from $3,300 to a half million dollars. Political experts said this visit is essentially a trip to the ATM.
August 12 Zoom event with North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, where tickets ranged from $1,000 to $25,000
Ah the good ol WORK HARD GET NOTHING american dream
Even the username ↑ looks like a propaganda bot.
Or organize locally outside the Democratic Party and field your own candidates, unless the Dems come up with one worth endorsing. And also organize for direct action, because democracy is likely to be blocked for a few years.
Never is a long time, though I think the route to meaningful change is not through the Democratic Party. It’s too ossified and is too deeply captured by corporate interests.
Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.
“It’s a big club, and she’s in it.”
Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.
I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.
Maybe if she gets a few felonies.
Hey, here’s a thought. You know about the guy that shot a parasite in NY? AOC could try that too. She’d need enough vocal (and armed) popular support to avoid conviction (and retaliatory assassination) and it might turn into a civil war, but it might also work.
you are playing into eurasias plan wtih a civil war.
Too late, we’re already in it and pretending it hasn’t happened yet.
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Ideally, the support would be so overwhelming that it doesn’t come to actual protracted violent conflict. But if the alternative is an erosion of civil rights by a greedy oligarchy, I have little faith that they’d actually oppose “eurasias plan” either, so it doesn’t seem like there’s much to lose here.
you mean the oligarchs that exist in Russia today?
Sure, if that’s what you want to look at for comparison, though America has plenty of its own (as do other nations). Pretty sure extreme wealth knows no allegiance but to itself. Nations are pawns to them, nationality a way to draw lines, nationalism a way to make people fight over those lines instead of fighting the vampires making bank off of that conflict.
Whether you’ll end up under Russian exploitation, American exploitation, European exploitation, Chinese exploitation or literally any other oligarchy you could come up with doesn’t really matter.
Better to fight for a chance at freedom than fall for the deception that a particular flag makes one parasite better than the other. And if it should come to violence, maybe it will at least train a force of veteran resistance fighters if the eurasian powers come knocking. We’ve got a live demonstration of how a motivated resistance can give an imperialist invader a hard time.
War is a waste of lives and resources and regrettable in any circumstance. I hope that changes for the better can happen without resulting in bloodshed and destruction. I hope for a better, happier, more prosperous future for all of us.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.
A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.
If you think either party under it’s current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you’re deluding yourself.
The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)
Universal healthcare is not a newly proposed issue, either. Going at least as far back to FDR’s administration, his Secretary of Labor (and architect of The New Deal) Frances Perkins even advocated for public healthcare.
“We should do a post mortem but first, fuck you specifically AOC.”
Sounds like an endorsement then… enemy of my enemy and all.
