The world’s largest chipmaker promised to create thousands of US jobs. There are growing tensions over whether US workers have the skills or work ethic to do them.::Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience. Americans may push back on the company’s culture.
Shitty framing.
They don’t want to pay for the luxury of being able to have an engineer on call 24/7 by paying 3 people to cover a full 24-hr spread of time.
They want to pay one guy a shit salary without overtime and be able to work them 24/7/365.
The Factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience.
Wft does total obedience mean. Lol what bullshit.
I work in a semi conductor fab and I assure you the most inept workers here are the upper managers.
I have to give 3 separate updates a day with the same information to the same people. They are constantly worried about micro-schedules and push backs, while also requireing endless meetings to discuss why we arent making the deadlines. Its fucking ludacris. Also their Internet doesnt work inside the fab so I have to stop work early to leave and then email them their fucking updates.
These are the same people who are attempting to use temp companies to fill every position and then wondering if their workers have the work ethic. Lol.
Pay people a living wage and stop making their jobs miserable.
I hope you are making bank lol I wouldn’t put up with that shit for a week 😂
I dont work for the semiconductor company itself. I am a vendor. It is still bs but I have some insluation from the worst of it.
Work ethic is code for we want labor to be cheaper and not need to poop.
It’s probably also very boring.
That doesn’t sound like jobs. It sounds like indenture.
Oh ok so we aren’t being slaves enough is what they’re saying
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The comment in this thread are a good summary of why TSMC has concerns. I fully support workers rights of course. But from TSMC’s perspective, WHY would they want to put up with all our ‘crap’ when they can continue operating in Taiwan with their standard practices?
Because they don’t want to lose grasp on the chip market. Semiconductors will be made in the US. Better for them to capture the market than try to compete with it.
Also, why should we put up with their crap? The whole point is to diversify where we get semiconductors and not be so dependent on Asia. We actually need to figure this out in a way that doesn’t result in underpaid Americans.
US semiconductors can’t compete. Intel is stumbling, GloFo pulled out, and the other foundries are irrelevant for bleeding edge process.
TSMC has already won the competition.
Yes, but how many Americans will be selling to pay 50% more for locally made processors?
You’re not wrong, I’m just trying to point out this is a complicated issue, beyond just ‘capitalists bad’
If you ask me, you are only taking the capitalist perspective by focusing solely on the fact that TSMC can do this cheaper elsewhere and doesn’t need America. That’s explicitly not the point of this whole exercise. It’s not an exercise in capitalism, it’s to start to reduce our dependency on other nations. That’s a national security risk that became painfully obvious during the Pandemic.
I agree it is a complicated issue and it’s not even really being presented as capitalists are bad. The way the headlines are being run is trying to claim that we lack the skillset in America, which is not true. We lack the skillset at a cheap price because cost of living and labor are higher in the US. Bringing an entire industry home is going to be complicated in a lot of aspects. We haven’t even started tackling the environmental stuff publicly.
Localization makes up for a large portion of the increased labor costs. The cost of production difference is most likely to be a wash because it’s spread across the output of millions of chips.
Because America isn’t an island that’s a stones throw away from the world’s second largest superpower which has made it abundantly clear that they believe belongs to them?
And TSMC will be renamed to SMIC overnight.
Because we have them money to do it.
Fair point however I would rather have chip dependance than exploitation
Outrage bait.
“You aren’t sweat-shoppy enough to host one of OUR sweat shops.”
Haha okay, xinny.
Why would anyone know how to make chips, if we don’t make chips. Who’s going to teach them to make chips, the chip fairy?
Mr. Pringles
Shit, I’m qualified for this?
Are your hands small enough to reach the bottom?
Hilariously, Pringles are not technically “chips” and can’t be called that legally.
How about crisps?
That’s why manufacturering was sent over there in the first place, to exploit a labor market that works harder for less.
We are not lazy, we just know we are getting fucked and are not too afraid to speak up about it.
Jobs at the TSMC semiconductor factory in Arizona could require long hours and total obedience.
They want slaves.
It’s never been about US workers having the skills. It’s always been that we expect to be compensated for our labor. Paying real wages looks bad for their bottom line so they export the work and import the product at a fraction of the cost.
Actually if you read some of the stuff TSMC’s top guy has said, you’ll see there may be a bit more than compensation involved. It looks a bit like good old fashioned racism. Something about Taiwanese brains vs American brains. It’s not good at all.
I mean, these are cultures where racism is kinda normalized. Nothing particularly surprising.
Still it’s funny how in XIX century with the same amount and quality of equipment an English worker would be 4-8 times more productive than a Chinese worker, and now a Taiwanese company is having the same doubts as Europeans had back then about opening a factory in USA.
TSMC about to hold the largest allocation of H1B visas given to a single company in US history.
This is just a negotiating tactic. An extra tax break will solve those problems. Nothing to see here. Move along.
That is a horribly lax attitude to attempted extortion.
