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Sadly, partial truths are an improvement over some sources these days.
Which is still better than “elementary truths that will quickly turn into shit I make up without warning”, which is where ChatGPT is and will forever be stuck at.
Might as well. All the sites are just AI articles anyway
Meanwhile Google search results:
- AI summary
- 2x “sponsored” result
- AI copy of Stackoverflow
- AI copy of Geeks4Geeks
- Geeks4Geeks (with AI article)
- the thing you actually searched for
- AI copy of AI copy of stackoverflow
Google search is literally fucking dogshit and the worst it has EVER been. I’m starting to think fucking duckduckgo (relies on Bing) gives better results at this point.
Ive been using only duckduck for years now. If I don’t find something there, I dont need it.
I’m in sciences and the AI overview gives wrong answers ALL THE TIME. If students or god forbid professionals rely on it thats bad news.
AI is so fucking cap. There is no way to know if the information is accurate. It’s completely unreliable.
Isn’t it funny that a lot of people were worried that wikipedia would be unreliable because anyone could edit it, then turned out pretty reliable, but AI is being pushed hard despite being even more unreliable than the worst speculation about wikipedia?
Being for profit excuses being shitty I guess.
I have been using Duck for a few years now and I honestly prefer it to Google at this point. I’ll sometimes switch to Google if I don’t find anything on Duck, but that happens once every three or four months, if that.
Same here. I only switch to google to search for images for memes. For some reason bing has a harder time finding random star trek scenes.
I don’t like AI in search engines but even duckduckgo’s AI is better lol.
And they let you turn it off
The one thing Google still has over Duck for me at this point is reddit results. So much niche information is stored on that site, but they’ve blocked anyone other than Google from crawling the site so other engines can’t index past the point they changed that policy.
I only go to the googs for maps.
I go to Apple Maps.
I can’t afford the water damage to the car.
To this day any time I navigate somewhere with Google maps while someone else separately navigates there with apple maps, we end up at different places. More often than not, I’m where we both should’ve ended up.
Interesting. In my experience, google maps is “too creative” on their routes. They usually send me to some back roads that only make my drive much longer.
I suspect that Google Maps preemptively routes some percentage of drivers through alternate directions in order to ease congestion. (Because if Maps tells you that the obvious route will get you there in thirty minutes and it takes an hour then you’re going to be mad at Maps)
Regardless of their route choices, Maps is always solid with ETA for me and it has access to a ton of traffic data.
Same.
I use ddg but find Google gives better results and Google’s snippet feature still rocks.
Careful. People here get mad about that for some reason. Like you can’t think Google sucks but that their search engine is still better than others. And people will argue with you that Google is way worse than anything else. I don’t know what planet they are from.
The irony is that Gemini Pro is actually better than ChatGPT (which is not saying a ton, as OpenAI have completely stagnated and even some small open models are better now), but whatever they use for search is beyond horrible.
yeah, but at least we can vet that shit better that the unsourced and hallucinated drivel provided by ChatGPT
Even adding, “Reddit” after a search only brings up posts from 7 years ago.
We have new feature, use it!
No, its broken and stupid, I prefer old feature.
… Fine!
breaks old feature even harder
I’ve used Google since 2004. I stopped using it this year because as the parent comment points out, it’s all marketing and AI. I like Qwant but it’s not perfect but it functions like a previous version of Google.
I have not enjoyed Qwant - tried it as my default but I’m back to DDG. I just want a functional Google again (boolean operators please…)
I have tried a few replacements for Google but I’ve yet to find anything remotely as effective for searches about things close to me. Like if I’m looking for a restaurant near me, kagi, startpage, and DDG are not good. Is qwant good for a use case like that? Haven’t heard about it before.
I’ve had some success but it goes off of your ISPs server location so for me it’s not very useful.
Should we put bets on how long until chatgpt responds to anything with:
Great question, before i give you a response, let me show you this great video for a new product you’ll definitely want to check out!
Less than a year.
I say 6 months.
I give him 11 minutes.
And my axe!
Username checks out
“Great question, before i give you a response, let me introduce you to raid shadow legends!”
Nah, it’ll be more subtle than that. Just like Brawno is full of the electrolytes plants crave, responses will be full of subtle product and brand references marketers crave. And A/B studies performed at massive scales in real-time on unwitting users and evaluated with other AIs will help them zero in on the most effective way to pepper those in for each personality type it can differentiate.
This is a story that’s been rotating through the media since ChatGPT first released.
I have an unpopular opinion about this headline after seeing the media cycle repeatedly downplay/ignore what Alphabet has been doing in response to OpenAI: Google the search engine is not in direct competition with ChatGPT, but Gemini is, and Alphabet is smart to keep simpler/time-tested search functionality central to Google rather than react strongly and scrap the keyword-based search bar that users understand are comfortable using - especially older users, but I think most people are starting to discover they have a use for both search and LLM chats.
I think there are two product categories here, which first looked like they were going to converge in 2022-2024, but which are now slowly changing course as customers start to comprehend how both are necessary for different purposes.
When I make chats in ChatGPT or Gemini or Claude etc, I am starting to plan them longitudinally so that I can use them over and over for a specific project or query type.
When I turn to a search bar, it’s because I really want a proxy for a specific website or between me and whatever weird site has the answer to my specific question. It’s not that I want discussion and a chat about it, I just want Google’s card-like results with a website index I can read instead of that website’s stylized, animated web design on top or popups or malware.
Every time I get sucked into a chat with Bing CoPilot(ChatGPT) when I really only had a web search query, I regret wasting my time talking to the LLM. Almost as a reflex, I’ve started avoiding it for most things now.
I say, “Just search it.” Not interested in being free advertising for Google.
I wonder where people can go. Wikipedia maybe. ChatGPT is better than google for answering most questions where getting the answer wrong won’t have catastrophic consequences. It is also a good place to get started in researching something. Unfortunately, most people don’t know how to assess the potential problems. Those people will also have trouble if they try googling the answer, as they will choose some biased information source if it’s a controversial topic, usually picking a source that matches their leaning. There aren’t too many great sources of information on the internet anymore, it’s all tainted by partisans or locked behind pay-walls. Even if you could get a free source for studies, many are weighted to favor whatever result the researcher wanted. It’s a pretty bleak world out there for good information.
Ugh. Don’t get me started.
Most people don’t understand that the only thing it does is ‘put words together that usually go together’. It doesn’t know if something is right or wrong, just if it ‘sounds right’.
Now, if you throw in enough data, it’ll kinda sorta make sense with what it writes. But as soon as you try to verify the things it writes, it falls apart.
I once asked it to write a small article with a bit of history about my city and five interesting things to visit. In the history bit, it confused two people with similar names who lived 200 years apart. In the ‘things to visit’, it listed two museums by name that are hundreds of miles away. It invented another museum that does not exist. It also happily tells you to visit our Olympic stadium. While we do have a stadium, I can assure you we never hosted the Olympics. I’d remember that, as i’m older than said stadium.
The scary bit is: what it wrote was lovely. If you read it, you’d want to visit for sure. You’d have no clue that it was wholly wrong, because it sounds so confident.
AI has its uses. I’ve used it to rewrite a text that I already had and it does fine with tasks like that. Because you give it the correct info to work with.
Use the tool appropriately and it’s handy. Use it inappropriately and it’s a fucking menace to society.
I gave it a math problem to illustrate this and it got it wrong
If it can’t do that imagine adding nuance
Ymmv i guess. I’ve given it many difficult calculus problems to help me through and it went well
Well, math is not really a language problem, so it’s understandable LLMs struggle with it more.
But it means it’s not “thinking” as the public perceives ai
Hmm, yeah, AI never really did think. I can’t argue with that.
It’s really strange now if I mentally zoom out a bit, that we have machines that are better at languange based reasoning than logic based (like math or coding).
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Not really true though. Computers are still better at math. They’re even pretty good at coding, if you count compiling high-level code into assembly as coding.
But in this case we built a language machine to respond to language with more language. Of course it’s not going to do great at other stuff.
I know this is off topic, but every time i see you comment of a thread all i can see is the pepsi logo (i use the sync app for reference)
Voyager doesn’t show user PFPs at all. :/
You know, just for you: I just changed it to the Coca Cola santa :D
Spreading the holly day spirit
We are all dutch on this blessed day
We are all gekoloniseerd
Wait, when did you do this? I just tried this for my town and researched each aspect to confirm myself. It was all correct. It talked about the natives that once lived here, how the land was taken by Mexico, then granted to some dude in the 1800s. The local attractions were spot on and things I’ve never heard of. I’m…I’m actually shocked and I just learned a bunch of actual history I had no idea of in my town 🤯
I did that test late last year, and repeated it with another town this summer to see if it had improved. Granted, it made less mistakes - but still very annoying ones. Like placing a tourist info at a completely incorrect, non-existent address.
I assume your result also depends a bit on what town you try. I doubt it has really been trained with information pertaining to a city of 160.000 inhabitants in the Netherlands. It should do better with the US I’d imagine.
The problem is it doesn’t tell you it has knowledge gaps like that. Instead, it chooses to be confidently incorrect.
Only 85k pop here, but yeah. I imagine it’s half YMMV, half straight up luck that the model doesn’t hallucinate shit.
Is it weird I use ms copilot on a regular?
Solely because it will cite its source on answers so I don’t have to sift through pages of results.
I use copilot expressly because I want my direct exposure to Ansible (such trash) to be as little as possible so as not to pollute my experience and unlearn programming, so I query, copy, validate and paste. Let its mind turn to jello, and spare mine!
I mean I get wanting this feature, but there is a dosen alternatives that more privacy respecting (Brave, Perplexity etc)
I just switched to Perplexity haha.
@RmDebArc_5 I’m all about “DuckDuckGo this !” 🦆
This is why so much research has been going into AI lately. The trend is already to not read articles or source material and base opinions off click bait headlines, so naturally relying on AI summaries and search results will soon come next. People will start to assume any generated response from a ‘trusted search ai’ is true, so there is a ton of value in getting an AI to give truthful and correct responses all of the time, and then be able to edit certain responses to inject whatever truth you want. Then you effectively control what truth is, and be able to selectively edit public opinion by manipulating what people are told is true. Right now we’re also being trained that AI may make things up and not be totally accurate- which gives those running the services a plausible excuse if caught manipulating responses.
I am not looking forward to arguing facts with people citing AI responses as their source for truth. I already know if I present source material contradicting them, they lack the ability to actually read and absorb the material.
How long until ChatGPT starts responding “It’s been generally agreed that the answer to your question is to just ask ChatGPT”?
I’m somewhat surprised that ChatGPT has never replied with “just Google it, bruh!” considering how often that answer appears in its data set.
Reject proprietary LLMs, tell people to “just llama it”
Top is proprietary llms vs bottom self hosted llms. Bothe end with you getting smacked in the face but one looks far cooler or smarter to do, while the other one is streamlined web app that gets you there in one step.
But when it is open source, nobody gets regularly slain and the planet progressively destroyed due to mega conglomerate entities automating class violence
Both suck now.
I have to say, look it up online and verify your sources.
Chatgpt is this real
