This isn’t exactly where this belongs so feel free to delete this. I’m mildly infuriated there is no usable alternative to Amazon.com. I’m more than willing to buy products elsewhere, but it’s so easy to default to Amazon. Please help.
Amazon is one issue, but I think the larger enshittification is the proliferation of “marketplace” websites that allow any random imported junk to appeat right alongside quality products with actual manufacturer support.
We need a new Amazon rain forest.
This is always the problem: Monopolies are popular with consumers because their centralization makes everything easy. The trappings of convenience.
Buy stuff directly from stores. Every time I’ve looked, the price elsewhere often exactly matches what Amazon charges because their pricing algorithms are constantly price matching anyhow.
But not shipping. And sometimes, that’s the difference.
I’d honestly pay a bit more to buy from better vendors. Price, options, shipping aren’t the things why I end up using Amazon mostly (despite not liking it).
It’s the fact that if I need to return something I just click 2 buttons and no questions asked a guy shows up at my door tomorrow to pick it up and my refund is back in my account by the evening.
If other vendors started doing that without all the caveats and conditions and such, I’d never look back.
Companies pay for free returns by increasing their prices by about 10% to cover the cost of reverse logistics. Most of the items returned in online shopping end up in landfill.
Most of what it worthwhile to buy from Amazon can be found in a physical store or from the manufacturers website. Do a bit of research beforehand and it’s very easy to be confident that you’re not going to need to return what you buy.
Amazon is convenient and two day shipping rules
Barely anything I order comes in 2 days anymore. It’s almost always 3 to 5 days.
I have a Amazon warehouse near me so that probably helps
Same here. Alot of things are even available for same day shipping.
Of course it is, but why does convenience have to be built on exploitation? I would gladly pay higher prices for an ethical alternative.
Then by all means, do so. I’ll keep doing as I do.
Not sure how you interpreted my comment as criticism, but it wasnt. Nevertheless, there is no comparable alternative, so unfortunateIy cant “do so”.
The difference is I don’t feel bad nor care about where I shop. I go where the deals are
Um, sure.
alternatives would be possible if they wouldn’t be forcibly removed from Amazon from being present in alternatives
Companies like Getir which had attempted expansion were pushed out, meaning they couldn’t even begin to attempt a secondary market similar to Amazon
Turkey and likely other European nations has a lot of competition regarding this,
Getir originates from Turkey, alongside that there is n11, Hepsiburada, Trendyol, idefix, and pttAVM.
You’re on a federated website, but think what we need is more centralized marketplaces?
Google shopping or duckduckgo shopping can usually find it. Or go to amazon and then search the sellers name.
Not perfect but a lot of big box stores offer free shipping. I usually will check Walmart, Best Buy, Target B&H and Google shopping. I’m pretty sure they all offer free shipping after $35. Chewy for animal stuff is really good too. Also check the manufacturer, I recently bought a gift that way and it was cheaper and had more selection options than dumb Amazon.
Came to say the same. I’m not sure how much my location plays a role, but B&H is my go-to for many electronics, Best Buy is a backup, and Target is up there too. I can pre-order BB and Tgt as well, giving me a few stores to choose from locally. The physical stores need to compete with Amazon to survive, so they are
Honestly after moving into our current home, we were able to avoid Amazon almost completely. We don’t buy cookware, as carbon steel, cast iron, and stainless steel cookware lasts at least decades if not forever; we have way too many mugs from market and thrift store; and all of our clothes are thrifted with some from Costco.
we get groceries from farmers market, local ethnic stores, or super market. We get shelf stable products like toilet paper or drinks from Costco in bulk. We barely replace our electronic, because I would fix them with spare parts from ifixit and eBay; when it do need to get replaced, I get them from bestbuy or manufacture. We get most of the cleaning products from refil store or supermarket; we would buy soap from farmers market or local supplier.
We would only buy very obscure product from Amazon, like replacement knob for pot lid etc, but they are very very rare. One particular product we unfortunately relied on Amazon is the bamboo electric toothbrush brush head, we are trying to find some local salers that carry that, but cannot find any.
Same here. Sometimes the same/next day shipping can help in an emergency, but otherwise it’s local if possible, or direct from the vendor if not.
Amazon’s shipping has declined and everyone else’s has caught up to the point it’s not much of a difference anymore.
but otherwise it’s local if possible, or direct from the vendor if not.
The problem I find is that local usually means “you’re gonna pay a lot more for the same item you can get shipped for free off Amazon”.
So, who am I benefitting? It’s a horrible consumer dilemma that I hate to be caught up in.
And it’s not even an “Amazon” issue. Our local bike shop, as much as I really do like to support them, sells tires for 2-3x more than what I pay to get them shipped in from an online bike store out of Germany (I’m in Canada!). Supporting local only works when local isn’t trying to screw you over.
its the obscure parts and items that get me going back to Amazon…
Not sure what you are looking for but I can easily buy the same stuff on eBay or Walmart or directly from the retailer. I do a search of Amazon and then google the same product to look at different website options.
One problem I’ve been having with ebay lately is that I’ve ordered items and they’re coming drop shipped from Amazon or Walmart.
They’re always sellers with ratings in the upper 90s and with like 1000ish or less reviews. A lot of times they list is as only having 1 or 2 left in stock. I’ve been having some luck going into the reviews and seeing people say “came in an Amazon box” to avoid them.
It’s one thing to wholesale stuff and resell it, it’s another to just drop ship it from Amazon and Walmart. Been ordering on ebay for many years and I’ve never seen this before.
That happened to me a few times before. I got the shipment in 2 days through Amazon even though I ordered through eBay.
I personally use temu and I’ve had the same experience as amazon but for a far better price, my 60 dollar temu headphones had an almost studio quality microphone and metal frame
Also learn to solder and fix your own stuff to buy less, shave with a straight razor and razorblades and you’ll save hundreds over the year in razors
They shipped malware in there mobile app
Hard pass for me
I’m honestly not sure why you’re being down voted. At this point temu is basically Amazon with longer shipping times.
It sort of is the next logical progression.
Because Temu is even worse for the environment and somehow has even worse labor practices than Amazon
You got a source for that claim? Specifically being worse than Amazon
I mean, Chinese companies are well documented as being incredibly shitty. I don’t have a specific source to reference but any amount of casual research backs up my claim.
But the cheap no name brand stuff from Amazon still come from the same factory in China. Only difference is you’ll get it in 2 days, pay more even though Amazon workers are underpaid and overworked and just make Bezos richer.
All the cheap no name brands are just the same Chinese products. One good example I have is, last year I got a knockoff Apple Watch band from Amazon as a gift for Christmas which was $10. Since it was the wrong size I bought one myself from AliExpress. When it arrived it had the same packaging and product number on it. Only difference is that it was $1 and took 2 weeks.
If you don’t buy cheap no name brand stuff from Amazon then this doesn’t apply to you but from my experience people buy the cheapest product and hence temu became popular.
I hate Temu because the one time I tried to use it (was doing an ali order and wanted to compare), it told me I could get the item free if I downloaded the app and ordered it there.
That turned out to be a total lie, and instead some slot machine popped up and I was being pressured to like buy like 10 totally unrelated random things of literal junk quality (like cat toys and glitter markers and shit) within the next 2 minutes and I just gave up and went back to ali. I just wanted one thing, not do a TikTok haul video jeez
Honestly I’ve been enjoying going to stores in person again. It definitely takes some getting used to after the convenience of online shopping has been a part of my life pretty much since I was in highschool, but I think the change is worth it. I’ll just make a list of things that I need and when the list gets big enough I just make a day of it and just go to a bunch of different stores.
I kinda forgot how satisfying it can be to actually go shopping. I got a couple new pillows and some new bed sheet sets last month and it was so nice being able to feel what I was buying before I actually got it. If I’d gotten the pillows from Amazon I guarantee I’d get something cheap and not find out until they show up that they are awful. And I probably wouldn’t return them and just justify it and convince myself they were better than my old pillows because they are “new.”
My issue with this is that, especially as a foreigner living abroad, I cannot always answer which shop might have the items I’m looking for.
I wish Google Maps allowed searching for shops by their inventory, like it does searching for restaurants by their menu. Even better, an open web protocol like RSS where shop websites can communicate to all crawlers what items are being sold where and which are out of stock, so that it’s not a Google Maps monopoly but an ecosystem…
I’ve never used Amazon, so I really don’t need a new one. Or the old one.
I’ve bought the occasional book from it. It doesn’t seem that useful or good value for other things (I’ve only lived in Europe and Australia)
My problem is the algorithm. There is no way to browse categories and drill down into the features to find what you are actually looking to find.
You search for xxx company Product, and you may get that product on the first page, but it will be surrounded by dozens of cheap alternatives. I find a lot of those alternatives aren’t comparable to the one I actually seek.
If you don’t know the specific product you are looking for, you will never be able to sort the wheat from the chaff.
There are people who sell products who are not affiliated with Amazon
Shocking I know
Those are getting harder and harder to find. I’ve had a number of occasions now where I went directly to a brand’s website or even their physical store in an attempt to avoid Amazon, only to receive the product in an Amazon box delivered by an Amazon courier anyway.
The most recent physical store was shoes: I found a size/style that fit well, but wanted a different color. I ordered the preferred color through the in store salesperson, but it was still fulfilled by Amazon.
Yeah. Lots of places may just use the Amazon warehouse side of the business. Especially if they offer products on Amazon.
I take full responsibility for myself. I try to shop independently when possible.
Find what you want on Amazon, look at reviews, and then go to the actual website of the producer and buy it directly from them. It’s not hard, it just takes an extra step.
You’ll probably buy less junk, too.
I do this, but be warned some companies use Amazon for fulfillment. I have ordered directly from manufacturer websites and still ended up with an Amazon package at my door. I just make a note to find a different brand if I ever need that thing again.
It’s not hard, it just takes an extra step.
Is there some version of “hard” that’s not related to extra steps?
Yes… Something that’s actually difficult? I’m not sure what you’re asking.
Yeah but sometimes the only producers are QAMEQHEJAK and you can’t even find what real brand sells your thing. Or sometimes they don’t do direct sales.
That means you’re buying mass produced shit from China, the brand means nothing, and you’ll have better luck on aliexpress.
I do this all the time. If it’s going to be cheap chinesium grade stuff I’d rather buy it from AliExpress for cheaper and wait a couple days
