Summary

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that Russia rejects a weak ceasefire in Ukraine, instead seeking a legally binding peace deal ensuring the security of Russia and its neighbors.

Lavrov accused the West of using truces to re-arm Ukraine and called for agreements preventing future violations.

President Putin expressed readiness for talks with Trump but ruled out territorial concessions or Ukraine’s NATO membership, a key Russian concern.

Ukraine remains committed to pursuing NATO membership despite Russia’s objections.

  • goatsarah
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    416 months ago

    @MicroWave Hey Russia, you could try not invading people if you’re worried about them fighting back?

    Delusional nonsense from Moscow as usual.

  • Flying Squid
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    1396 months ago

    Your security was not an issue until you invaded Ukraine. You didn’t want NATO on your border (even though it already was there in Kaliningrad)? Now you have it.

    No one was talking about Finland joining NATO until you invaded Ukraine. Ukraine itself wasn’t pursuing NATO membership until you invaded.

    • @[email protected]
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      106 months ago

      Russia’s security wasn’t at issue but the regime’s security was. Russia is like the regimes from 1984: they need constant external threats to wage war against in order to distract the opposition at home.

    • @[email protected]
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      686 months ago

      “Now that I’m done beating the shit out of you, what guarantee do I have that you won’t fight back, because that would just be mean”

    • @[email protected]
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      496 months ago

      Kaliningrad

      Also Poland, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Canada (if you don’t count the Arctic).

      The idea that Ukraine joining NATO made any kind of difference to Russia’s security is absolutely ludicrous.

        • @[email protected]
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          246 months ago

          Yeah, exactly.

          It genuinely worries me that people struggle to see through bullshit this obvious.

          • socsa
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            66 months ago

            Literally nobody who isn’t just a Russian troll is confused by this.

            • @[email protected]
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              46 months ago

              No, sadly I’ve seen a lot of well meaning leftists get caught up in this bullshit. Not denying that Russian trolls have been intentionally spreading their talking points, but I’ve also seen them repeated by far too many people who should know better.

                • @[email protected]
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                  IRL and online. It happens way too often.

                  A big part of it is that a lot of modern leftists were kind of forged in the post 9/11 culture and the reaction against Bush’s forever wars, and they in turn inherited much of their political conscience from elder leftists who were forged in the Nixon years and the reaction against the Vietnam war.

                  So its become a kind of fait a complit on the left that being anti-war and anti American Imperialism is always good and necessary. And those are good positions to hold, but the problem is that people don’t come to them through interrogative thought. They’re just sort of handed to you as part of your welcome package. So when presented with a scenario where supporting the continuation of a military conflict - even when that support aligns you with the interests of US global influence - is actually a moral good, a lot of these people really struggle to break free of their own thought terminating cliches.

                  The Ukraine conflict simply does not fit into the same boxes that they’re used to sorting ideas into, and because, by and large, most leftists detest war on a purely moral level (understandable, no one should be overjoyed at the notion of vast destruction of human life, though a depressingly large number of people are) they simply haven’t spent enough time interrogating these ideas to have built a framework to handle complex cases like this.

                  Russia very carefully frames their propaganda to exploit these moral conflicts. NATO is a military alliance, ergo “NATO bad”. America is an imperialist power, ergo anything that serves American interests is bad. Military conflicts lead to unacceptable loss of life, ergo anything which prolongs a conflict is bad. These are easy answers to complicated problems, so people naturally latch onto them.

      • TimeSquirrel
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        106 months ago

        That was just the excuse. Ukraine is a mineral-rich breadbasket. They had stuff Russia wants. Simple as that. Just like the US invading Iraq had nothing to do with “spreading democracy”.

  • @[email protected]
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    1046 months ago

    Lavrov accused the West of using truces to re-arm Ukraine and called for agreements preventing future violations.

    Russia wants time to rearm, but doesn’t want the people they’re attacking doing the same thing.

  • Rentlar
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    436 months ago

    I’m sure we can give the same security guarantees Ukraine got, in exchange for Russia similarly giving up its nuclear weapons.

  • @[email protected]
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    86 months ago

    It’s hard to tell by the article if Lavrov believes the bullshit he’s spewing, or if he’s just the poor guy who has to spin Putins bullshit or else fall off a balcony

    • andrew_bidlaw
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      46 months ago

      By this moment, he had many opportunities to disappear, I believe.

  • socsa
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    296 months ago

    Bro, literally nobody is threatening Russia besides you clowns.

  • @[email protected]
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    316 months ago

    You find a way to force Russia to hand all their nuclear weapons to NATO and you got yourself a deal. Ukraine will even promise not to invade Russia once that is done.

  • Prior_Industry
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    216 months ago

    Code for: no NATO for Ukraine, we get some time to build up and have another crack in a few years