This new bill, signed into law by President Joe Biden, includes a provision that limits access to gender-affirming care services for the children of people serving in the military.
Ha, us fools are so blind. It really is both sides, and we’ve all been bamboozled.
Well, not that bamboozled
Joe Biden over here complying in advance.
This guy was everyone’s hope?
I despised him before it was cool. So yay me I suppose.
No he wasn’t, he was a leaky bucket of water, but the house was on fire, so we took it.
Don’t rewrite history to serve your narrative, dipshit.
The bill just “includes” the provision? Nobody put it there, it’s just that new language often spontaneously erupts in a piece of legislation?
And why the vague language of “limits access to gender-affirming care services”. What’s actually in the bill is no more complex and a lot more clear. Are psychological gender-affirming services still available? Yep. Are puberty blocking drugs still covered? Yep. All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
Tell the whole story or GTFO. Debating Biden’s complicity is fine, but don’t skip the Republican’s role with the passive voice like you’re CNN describing how more violence just “erupted” in Gaza. Don’t hide what’s actually in the bill and potentially cause trans kids to not bother seeking medical services because they were misled by your hack politics.
This is not legitimate outrage at the legislation. If it were, you wouldn’t have left out the main protagonists, what’s actually in the legislation, and the entire story. It’s just mastebetory outrage bait meant to divide the left which is (surprise) the entire reason Republicans forced the issue to begin with.
If you’re not already a right wing troll, you should go find the people who pay money for posting this kind of garbage.
Other opinions not welcome apparently.
To be clear, I am for LGBTQ+ rights. I don’t exactly understand why everyone is annoyed at this article then.
You don’t understand why people would be upset by legislation that limits the freedoms of a group of people based on their gender identity?
Especially when it’s kids and health care?
Are you new to the human race?
Seems like most of the bill is good, and there haven’t been changes for 30 years. So a smaller step is better than zero change. Also limiting it is a moderate position then. It’s less liberal, but it appeases a wider audience. Over time that’s likely to develop further too as it sits with people. I’d rather small changes like this which actually move the needle than to look at some provisions of this and say it’s 100% wrong or worthless. It’s not black and white.
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Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren’t drumming up “illegitimate outrage” for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation. They had veto power in both the Senate and the White House and let it sail right through because it was easier for them.
And I’ve definitely edited out the personal attacks for posting such an offensive comment. But you certainly goddamned deserve them.
Trans people and LGBTQ magazines aren’t drumming up “illegitimate outrage” for Democratic complicity in passing anti-trans legislation.
Any outrage at Democrats’ latest betrayal is always illegitimate to the centrists who consider all betrayal overdue.
My comments were mostly directed at the summary, although a couple criticisms apply to the article as well. As I said, it’s legitimate to discuss how complicit Biden is, and you can add the Senate to that as well. The problem is doing it in the context of incomplete and misleading information about what was actually in the bill, who put it there, and why. Such a discussion does more harm than good in the ways that I explained.
The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.
You weren’t privy to the negotiations, so your commentary that Democrats just passed it because it was “easier” is entirely speculation. Stating that as fact is something I consider offensive. It also didn’t just “sail right through”. The negotiations took months, and the negotiations on such a bill don’t end until the votes are known. The actual process of calling the vote is irrelevant. I criticize Democrats myself, but not for things I just make up in my head.
The bit at the end was perhaps over the top, but it’s not wrong that this kind of reaction against the Democrats is exactly why the Republicans put it in the bill.
OH WELL THAT’S OK THEN.
Hey, I’ve got an idea MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN. “They made a really damaging modification, oh well, guess we just have to take our (well earned) beatings then, we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options.”
And fuck you Out magazine isn’t blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats. The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t just making up things in their head. Your capitulating ass doesn’t get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset at the representatives they support and voted for throwing them under the bus. YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors that tried their best but simply couldn’t find a way to say “that’s unacceptable” are the one who is actually making things up.
MAYBE FIGHT TO REMOVE IT FROM THE BILL THEN
We know they didn’t remove it from the bill. We don’t know that they didn’t fight to remove it from the bill. We do know that they objected and negotiated it down for what it originally was. We also know that passing no bill would be worse, even for any children impacted by the coverage restrictions.
Out magazine isn’t blowing things out of proportion to harm the Democrats.
My comments were directed at the summary more than the article. The article does have some of the same flaws though.
The HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t just making up things in their head.
I hope they are clear eyed about who is responsible. I don’t think it likely that they would blame Democrats and ignore the Republicans who pushed it.
Your capitulating ass doesn’t get to decide when LGBTQ people are allowed to get upset
I made no objection to anyone being upset. It absolutely sucks that this was included and I’ll fight right along side you to get it changed. We should all be upset. But, we are in a split power situation with the Democrats seriously weakened after the election. That’s going to have consequences, and I’m afraid this was the tip of the iceberg. No President with a split Congress has ever been able to control everything in every piece of legislation they sign. That’s just not reality.
YOU, who is postulating on complex negotiations behind closed doors.
Postulating that negotiations happened, or what happened in those negotiations? We know the negotiations happened, and we know that early drafts were worse on this and other Republican culture war issues. Beyond that, I don’t claim to know anything, but you seem to. It was you who postulated that they didn’t try to remove it.
Maybe in the near future we’ll learn something about the negotiations that will change my opinion. Maybe the Democrats traded this to the Republicans in exchange for more pork for blue states or more bombs for Israel. Are you aware of any such dealings?
Oh my god you fucking apologists. Every assumption of Democrats giving 110% good faith efforts with NO EVIDENCE they did so and the temerity to act offended that they receive flak for failing. They had veto points all along the path. They had an amendment to remove it that wasn’t even voted for. They had a broad array of civil rights organizations tell them to stand up for one of the most vulnerable populations in the entire country. And Biden for sure had no excuse because he was a single decision point. This isn’t “make M4A happen by executive fiat” it’s “maintain the status quo”. That was entirely within their power. They just didn’t want to.
HRC, GLAAD, and ACLU aren’t the problem. The “white moderates” with every excuse for why the minorities must sacrifice and backsliding is actually peak performance are.
Exactly. This headline could also have easily been “Republicans hold government funding hostage to force first federal anti-LGBTQ legislation in nearly 30 years.”
All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
Not true. HRT is prescribed to trans minors frequently. Otherwise their bones would be fucked, as you can’t safely live on just blockers for many years. And HRT can cause sterilization.
All that’s blocked is coverage for procedures that might result in sterilization - procedures that are already not generally done on minors who arguably aren’t yet capable of giving proper consent.
I’ve been upset about restricting care. But if what you’re saying is true, then it’s VERY different from how it’s been portrayed.
The reporting has been mixed on the language around sterilization, but the more detailed coverage describes the restrictions that way. Other coverage just says things like “coverage restrictions on some gender affirming care”. In any case, I expect Republicans to make the deal worse over time if they can.
That’s because IT’S NOT TRUE. Procedures “that could result in sterilization” could apply to anything the controlling administration wants it to apply to. It’s rare and is influenced by long-term usage, but at least some scientists believe HRT can result in sterilization. And the UK just banned new prescriptions for puberty blockers for trans kids only because they have a shitty report that says the science isn’t settled about side effects and it could (they claim) result in sterilization. And we can point out that’s not true and it’s extremely safe and 99 out of 100 doctors agree, but they’ll give the 1 doctor a megaphone and say as long as it’s not clear we need to ban them.
These fucking minimizers always more worried about outrage being faked than the harms being caused. “Hey, black people, stop with this ‘masturbatory outrage’ they’re just going to give you your own separate but equal facilities.”
Oh fuck the cope is so strong here. How do you clean the shit off your nose after licking so much fascist ass?
they just deny its even there. They think as long as you’re a dem you’re fighting the good fight, and doing the wrong things for a few years (like making a far right wing genocide happen) is all just temporary and for good reasons. And if you call them on it the fault is on you.
As a detail that’s missing from the article and kinda sorta lied about in the headline, it seems like this gender-affirming care was introduced in 2016 by the Obama administration as part of other additions of transition-related care.
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Well, with the incoming terrorists that will be running things in a few weeks, brace for a lot more.
I don’t know what it’s going to take for people to truly acknowledge that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were never progressives to begin with. So much time and energy has been spent trying to convince trans people that they’re good and they would protect our rights and they care about our well-being and want to protect us.
But here he is signing a literal anti-lgbt rights bill as one of his final actions in office. Why isn’t he making a last ditch concerted push to safeguard trans rights? He could do that you know he’s the president he could be trying to do something right now to help us. But even so he isn’t. He truly never did care about trans rights.
Whoever could have predicted this. The Democrats will throw anyone under the bus.
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If you are a trans person in Cascadia, consider fighting for Cascadian indepence, or if you live somewhere else, fight for any indepenence movement you can find. Do not let your fear prevent you from dealing a blow to the United States, because it’s a worthless nation.
Democrats say the American public doesn’t need the 2nd amendment anymore, but here they are proving to your face that when push comes to shove, no one will be coming to help you when your lawn has a mob of 61 MAGA coming to lynch you for whatever delusional reason they manufacture.
We are on our own.
You’re gonna die of old age soon biden, but your garbage legacy will linger forever in the history books like shitting on the pages and slamming the book shut.
A cowardly empty shell of a man to the bitter end.
Enjoy hell you piece of shit.
I dunno man, rhetoric like that. Doesn’t sound like you’ll be the most easy person to share this earth with either. Better to figure out another way forward them encouraging civil war, no?
Agreed.
Biden’s legcy will be bringing a bit of the Israelis geniocidal hatreds home to rot the core of the US. Enshitifying the western world order and democracy itself with the same pathetic “bipartisanship” centrism and selling out that has defined his entire career and been a plague on all of us. An old white bigot with no relevance, intent on sitting in a chair that was always too big for him. At best he was not Trump. And thats about all he will be remembered for.
Anyone outraged at Biden for this being played for a fool.
Good luck getting any future support if this is how you treat the leaders of the only legitimate party that is allied with you.
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Why not veto, especially since he’s a lame duck?
That would have lead to a government shutdown since is lame duck he has nothing to negotiate on a compromise.
Many republicans voted against this bill because they prefer waiting for Trump to take office so they can pass something worse. They don’t care about a shutdown.
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Shutting down the government is not without its harms.
Sacrificing others for your ideology will lead to less support.
what support lol
Idk. Seems pretty easy to get on TV and say “I’m vetoing cuz this one line is totally bullshit and not related at all to anything. Remove it and I’ll approve. The shutdown is your fault not mine”
And then the government shuts down. Trump takes office and immediately signs something worse. Meanwhile government employees go unpaid and the media finds something else to use to rile you up.
Trump’s gonna do what he wants. Planning around him is dumb.
Exactly right.
Which party is that again? Because I can’t think of a political party that is working to remove landlords, empower worker’s unions, and break up massive corporations.
Those are some random goal posts you’re tossing down but they only indicate you aren’t an well informed voter.
I’m sure Trump who runs several corporations, is a well known landlord and has well established anti-union views will do some amazing things to all those causes.
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“the only legitimate party” my arse. You still act like you are deciding if the youth and progressives have a spot on the floor next to the mighty democratic party table in case you want to throw us some scraps when actually you cant win any election without us, and have no power at all – at any level of government. You now also have a terrible reputation for being genociders, corrupt, our of touch with the working class, and lacking any sense of strategy. And lacking any dignity either. Even when trump drums up his own resistence against him (because god knows you’re not up to that task) you still cant win without your left flank. You arent even aware of what your numbers are. Pathetic.
So shut it. You centrists have gotten enough attention and you’ve done nothing with the opportunities you’ve been given, besides consistenly blowing it. You wont be in the drivers seat for a long time, and I think the general population is sick of losing because of your incompetence and unprincipled shenanigans.
I am not responsible for political realities. Being upset that I can see things you cannot is not a progressive attitude.
Kids have same silly believes about political greviances as they do towards sex; every generations thinks they invented it.
Once again, i shall post this meme
Well, we only had two choices 🤷♂️
And both of them were shit. The difference is that Democrats aren’t excited to vote for shit.
You’re correct. It was a steaming lump of an election. We can place the blame firmly on Biden for not bowing out early enough to have a primary.
However…
Not voting is voting, unfortunately. If they don’t like the options, they should do something about it—otherwise stop complaining like a child and vote.
But it doesn’t matter now, the right wing won and they cleaned up enough to ensure they have control for the next few decades. Let’s just hope they are truly as unorganized as they seem.
Not voting is voting, unfortunately. If they don’t like the options, they should do something about it—otherwise stop complaining like a child and vote.
The election is already over and I already voted for Harris. The sanctimony of being second worst is useless now. Next time, Democrats should try not being shit. For fucking once.
Agreed.
We just gave the presidency and both houses of Congress to Republicans. Apparently this is what America wants.
Democrats lost because a big chunk of their base was so disgusted at Democrats’ behavior that they stayed home. Do Republican politicians start capitulating to Democrats en masse every time they lose an election? No. They look at their base and ask what they can do to get their votes back. Democrats in response to losing just try even harder to get Republican to vote for them.
Doesn’t sound like much of a base if they won’t even show up to vote.
I’d love it if the Democrats were farther left, but the left doesn’t consistently show up when it matters or else we wouldn’t be looking down the barrel of another trump term.
None of you read the article or the white house quote. This is a purposefully misleading headline. Bill was poisoned by gop, if he doesn’t sign it a shit load of other things are fucked, by design from conservatives.
None of you are adults, man. Gop is a cancer. You have to amputate your leg. Yes, you stop cancer spreading, but you lose your leg. Designed so that you’re fucked either way, but the other way, you die. Grow up.
This is who he is, a pushover.
What should he have done instead? Send the bill back to congress? What are the consequences of not getting this bill done?
I think it’s pretty well known that the democrats do not have spines.
That’s not completely true. They never budged on supporting Netanyahu’s genocide.
That and how many campaigned as transphobic this election?
