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I’ll take it a step further and not support anyone in dc. There’s not an honest person to be found in politics.
So 1 in 3 Americans are still craving high levels of Nazism in government
That’s roughly the same ratio of Germans who were craving Nazism in 1930s Germany.
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Now subtract the people who claim they wouldn’t support Trump from that number and you’re back around 2016 numbers.
That is embarrassingly low.
I agree and…
Whyshouldistopyellingatyou?
BecauseImDoingMyBest
YouShouldDoMyBestThen
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I can’t answer that but I am curious, does the TA in your username mean ‘Technical Analysis’?
Teachers Aid lol
It is Andrew Tate’s sock puppet. /s
You’re saying that about a population that literally voted this guy into office just a few years ago.
If people haven’t realized how dumb our society is after that, there’s not much hope.
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It’s terrifying if you consider the norm. Trump has something like 70+ felony counts, arguably the worst orator in history, and a verified rapist.
He’s still getting around 35-40% support consistently.
It’s fucking terrifying how good the Fox propaganda machine is.
If Biden had 70 felonies would you vote for him or Trump?
Trump wouldn’t be trump if he didn’t have 70 felonies though.
Personally, I find it far more terrifying how utterly stupid and gullible the average person is.
and half of all people are even dumber.
Yeah the last few years since Covid especially have taught me that however utterly stupid and gullible we thought people were as you said, it turns out they are WAY stupider than we ever dreamed possible. And THAT is what is terrifying to me - I already knew people were plenty dumb so to see firsthand how badly I overestimated them…
Okay while I get your point, teeechnically according to these numbers, the “average person” plus some would not support Trump. Something something silver lining?
He lost the popular vote, twice
The average person isn’t our problem, our political system is
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Very unpopular opionion: He’s a very good orator, even though he can’t form a coherent sentence. He gets his points across with out actually speaking them. His followers hear him on a purely emotional level and he inspires their extreme loyalty and devotion.
When you consume talk radio, Facebook, and Fox News, it understandable that you would think he is the greatest President ever. He’s not, he was the worst President ever.
Some people process loss or being lied to in different ways. And some people take time to process that loss more than others.
Denial: The election was stolen!
Anger: We have to storm the capital!
Bargaining: We were just trying to protect our democracy.
Depression: Biden is just as bad. <----- Most people are here.
Acceptance: Trump committed election fraud and is going to prison for itThough I think many MAGA folk will be stuck on depression for quite some time.
Most of them will never get to the last stage because they would have to admit that they were wrong. They would have to admit they were duped by a con man plastered in orange make up. And they will never do that. Their egos are too fragile. They are all in on the big lie.
Give them time. They can still make their way around to
“See? I always said he was a crook.”
That’s actually the first time I’ve heard anybody express it like that. Very interesting and somewhat hopeful.
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Yes, I read what you wrote…30% of people are bat shit crazy and will vote for anything.
Trump consistently polls above that threshold…that’s a terrifying number and it’s not statistically normal.
I agree with you. Virtually everything l, even random totally trivial matters of taste/opinion come out 50/50 these days. The country is deeply polarized. For anything to come out with a 2:1 margin is a landslide. Trump is a huge loser. I just hope he stays in the race long enough to sink the Republicants.
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Sub 20% turn out for under 30’s in TX is more embarrassing.
They’re bad, but Texans don’t vote. The laws don’t nearly begin to explain the turnout numbers.
As a former Texan, it’s quite difficult to vote. The work culture there makes it even harder but the state also purposely makes it as inconvenient as possible. If you’re low income and don’t have vacation time or anything like that it’s really hard to get out and vote in-person. Now I’m in a state with mail-in voting by default and Texas makes me even more sick when I saw how easy it’s supposed to be.
More people could definitely make more of an effort there, but the barriers to vote shouldn’t be overlooked imo
Imagine if you lived in a state where voting in person is so quick and easy that’s it’s not worth sending in the mail in ballot automatically sent
I have that option too, I just like to not wear pants when I vote now. They frowned on that when I tried to do that in person.
Colorado? I grew up here and worry I don’t know how good I actually have it. I wouldn’t know where to begin if a ballot didn’t auto-magically appear in my mailbox. The system backing it up is so good that when it doesn’t show up magically, a new one is a phone call and a short walk away.
If I don’t want to put a stamp on my ballot, I walk a half mile to drop it off
Colorado?
Oregon! That’s cool to learn that Colorado is set up the same way. I wish it was implemented on a national scale though.
Then what does? And what’s the solution?
Because I don’t buy that Texans are just inherently worse citizens.
Well, but it’s progress, right?
I guess that’s a good thing, but that % should be way higher for someone that committed treason, among numerous other crimes (as well as being just a terrible person in general.)
But he’s hurting the right people!
Down ballot Republicans!
Something like 1/3 of the country is so deeply republican as to be a total loss. This % is pretty fucking solid.
There’s a Mitt Romney 37% joke in there somewhere
But yeah. It’s a terrible truth
Complete and utter indoctrination that’s been heavily aimed at that demographic for the last three decades, at least.
At least four counts in every category, a quadruple slam! Bravo
If they could read thwyd be very upset
This is superb. Wonderful.
I always knew Obama was a crook /s
treason is part of their heritage
I’d never vote for Trump, but i’m not really thrilled to vote for Biden either. I think both options suck.
Since there is no other option we’ll end up with Biden again probably, just depends how much power hate and fear has nowadays.
I’m in Massachusetts so voting blue doesn’t mean anything in the presidential race. With the divide between conservative and liberal getting worse and worse I wonder how the battleground states will swing this time around.
Please tell me you’re gonna vote anyways
You don’t just vote for a president. It’s not presidential election day, it’s voting day. The presidential vote is worthless but the rest isn’t.
The primaries are where most of the magic happens too.
Most people ignore state and local positions but those greatly influence real world consequences. Federal law changes at a glacial pace due to all the bullshit. State stuff happens and takes effect usually within a couple of years here without a flip flop every 8 years. So yes, i’ll be voting.
Vote Democrat straight ticket, voting blue means everything, every where, every single fucking time. It’s incredible people still don’t appreciate this after points to literally everything
I’ve been voting blue for over twenty years and gestures to everything. Maybe voting isn’t enough.
I’ve voted straight Democrat for 10 years and I hate it. I don’t believe the US is as polarized as its portrayed. But our options are either “Fascist” or “At least we’re not those guys”. I HOPE ranked choice voting becomes a thing in our lifetime.
If you’re in a solid blue state maybe think about joining us in a purple or red state and fight the good fight here. Tons of states are won by the slimmest of margins, and even the reddest states are like 20-30% blue. I’m not ready to give up on them yet.
I appreciate that you hate it, as much as I appreciate the fact you keep doing it, for all of us. Truly. Here’s to a better tomorrow.
I assume the guy was referring to the electoral college. Massachusetts votes overwhelmingly blue, so after we collect all the electoral votes, the rest of us are just icing on that cake
This 3 foot pile of dog shit in my living room is really disgusting and I don’t like it one bit. On the other hand it was kinda disorganized in here before the dog shit and that was kinda sucky too.
As dismayingly low as that appears, I think more or less as good as it’s gonna get for a while. Between Fox, Trump’s enablers/sycophants, and the man himself, they’ve been able to pretty much enrapture the lowest third of the bell curve, and it’s gonna take a while for that to pass - if it ever does.
I wonder how many of that 64% will actually vote?
Roughly half…
Yeah, screw that. Don’t trust polls, vote like your democracy and your life depend on it.
It literally does at this point.
…becuase they very much may
May??
They broke it out as 53% wouldn’t support him if he’s the GOP nominee, and another 11% wouldn’t support him in November 2024.
…what’s the difference between those two things?
Yeah, that confused me as well. I had to read that 3 times to figure out the distinction.
53% of Americans say they would definitely not support him if he’s the GOP nominee, and another 11% say they probably would not back him in November 2024.
“the GOP nominee” and “in November 2024” both refer to the same thing, but the phrasing change distracts from the definitely/probably thing.
I suppose in the event that Trump runs on a different platform? He is a bit soggy like that
Boy 53% definitely would not support is so bad for him. RCP has the average of polls at 44.4% Biden, 44% Trump, but if 53% definitely would not support Trump then he can only improve by 3 points at most and he’d have to rely on a 3rd party to get the vast majority of the remaining 9% of the electorate? That is a big ask.
The gop is pushing for a “unity party” led by rfk Jr to hurt dems, and attract never-trumper republicans. The Dems are not that stupid, but I’m not sure about the never-trumpers. The might prefer a protest vote to Biden.
The guy attempted a coup. He should be on trial for his life right now… and still 30+% of Americans might support him.
He’s a real estate developer rebel for the workin’ man
it’s 30% if you only read the title, at the end of the article it says:
Two other polls released this week show President Joe Biden and Trump competitive in a 2024 matchup, with Biden edging Trump by just a point in surveys from Marist and Quinnipiac.
unless you check how they conducted the poll, you don’t know if either one is correct.
was it made in an university campus or at the exit of an NRA convention? those will give you wildly different results.
For anyone wondering here are the two polls:
https://maristpoll.marist.edu/polls/trumps-indictments-2024/
Data for it: https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_202308151349.pdf
“This survey of 1,220 adults was conducted August 11th through August 14th, 2023 by the Marist Poll. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the United States were contacted through a multi-mode design: By phone using live interviewers, by text, or online”
https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us08162023_usos65.pdf
“Surveys adhere to industry best practices and are based on random samples of adults using random digit dialing with live interviewers calling landlines and cell phones.”
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The two claims are not in conflict. Election polls account for propensity to vote.
The 36% will turn out to vote. It will be an uphill struggle for the Dems to get turnout high enough to defeat them.
But the non-fash media will smugly proclaim him defeated anyway, helping to depress turnout enough that he wins. Again.
Dangerous times.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/it-took-a-long-time-for-republicans-to-abandon-nixon/
When the House of Representatives voted in February 1974 to give the House Judiciary Committee subpoena power to investigate Nixon, it did not have the weight of public opinion behind it. According to a poll conducted by Gallup just days before the vote, only 38 percent of Americans were in favor of impeachment. And although a solid majority of Americans did eventually come to support impeachment, that moment didn’t arrive until quite late in the game.My friends, the MAGA cult stuck with Trump through racism, rape, hush money, and an attempted coup! They are not budging.
Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters. Which means that between Trump’s election in 2016 and the 2024 election, the number of Gen Z (born in the late 1990s and early 2010s) voters will have advanced by a net 52 million against older people. That’s about 20 percent of the total 2020 eligible electorate of 258 million Americans.
And unlike previous generations, Gen Z votes… young people in recent years to vote more frequently for Democrats and progressive policies than prior generations did when of similar age
Not saying that 2024 is in the bag for Biden, but a lot has changing in the electorate. And I’ll take a little hope when I can get it.
Of course they aren’t. That’s who they are. That’s what they like. Dems need to stop sneering and start registering voters because these fuckers are turning out.
How many of those trump cultists admit today to voting and supporting G.W. Bush? You know they didn’t vote for Gore, if they voted at all, but they supported Bush and they supported his vision to make the US the world’s police despite claiming they are against this.
Do you think the people who supported Nixon were somehow dumber than Americans are today? Functional literacy was much lower in the 70s.
There are large swathes of people who just support the status quo. Nixon being the villain in his own story is “common knowledge” now and Trump’s just stupid Nixon.
The difference is that when Nixon was President we all shared the same facts and reality.
Today’s Republicans will simply never accept the reality that Trump is a criminal.
If you don’t understand that distinction, you’ve been missing the big picture.
Were you alive during Nixon? I was a baby but I interacted with people Trump’s age when I was a child. I don’t know if it’s the lead in the air back then or what but more than half of all adults seemed terminally stupid. I was a child and I thought they were stupid.
We’ve clearly got a lot of people who think Trump’s smart today but Trump’s brand of gibberish was just considered “common sense” in the 80s. Social media hasn’t made us dumber, it’s just allowed the dumbest people to find each other more easily.
Regarding us all sharing the same facts when Nixon was president, that’s just not true. People lived in a very divided America then as well. Social media and the refinement of propaganda techniques does make things seem more hopeless today but the same Roger Stone who’s fucking things up today was around back then. He was doing exactly what he’s doing today back then.
The fact that the public, in the end, turned on Nixon is the REASON we have Fox News today. It’s creators were anticipating the landscape today where a conservative media bubble would isolate Republicans from the facts. It works perfectly.
Yes, I’m aware of that. This is why I brought up Roger Stone. My point is people aren’t stupider or more insular today; they are actually slightly less so.
The machinery of propaganda is much more refined today.
Nice quote.
I really like how well this puts things in perspective.
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The answer to trump isn’t a right winger responsible for mass incarceration of black people masquerading as progressive expanding the military industrial complex and not supporting workers unions.
