This is an admin post, intended for blahaj lemmy users. Top level posts from members of other instances will be removed.
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Edit - Hexbear announced plans to deferedate from us.
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After recent events, it feels to me that sentiment has shifted and more people are asking for defederation of hexbear than previously
I’ve been doing my best to try and mend bridges and keep us connected, as it’s my hope that we can maintain trans solidarity and work with them, despite the friction, however, ultimately, I feel that this is an issue for the blahaj lemmy community to decide, not the admins alone
So here’s what we’re going to do
We’re going to leave things as they are for a week. That will give time for things to calm down whilst we see if we can work together. After a week, I’ll put up a vote and get a feel for where the community is at in regards to our continued federation with hexbear. That poll will run for a week. If there is a strong will to defederate (a clear majority), then that’s what we will do
Lots of good points in this thread, but I’d like to offer that even if everyone on hexbear were terrible annoying people, I’m an adult who can block content for myself.
Defederating is good for when an instance is hosting illegal content and you need to keep it off our servers, or if an instance is spamming stuff with bots and abusing the fediverse, but when it comes to content I do or don’t want to see, I want to make that decision myself.
Yes, this exactly. I left another instance because of too heavy-handed moderation, don’t really want it again, and especially not over a problem that began when someone didn’t like seeing annoying things in the All feed and Lemmy’s broken sorting.
Right? People talk about how frequently they utilize the block button and it’s like… keep doing that! Don’t ruin federation for everyone else because your sensibilities and your politics make it hard for you to interact with others!
We should primarily defederate:
- nazis, because their ideology inherently calls for violence against marginalized groups based on their race, religion, sexuality, etc.
- Gore, due to its ability to cause trauma simply by viewing
- Illegal content for which Blahaj could be held liable
Very, very, very much agreed.
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I’m not a GitHub user, although I’ve done some browsing of open issues. Am I seeing that this feature has been coded (or is actively being coded) or am I just seeing that people are still discussing the issue?
I ask because last time I looked (probably 2-4 weeks ago), I saw some discussion on the issue dating back to over a year ago, but nothing that looked like actual traction on it getting implemented.
Its a pull request so its probably at least mostly complete
Thanks for that. Looking again, I see now at the top that I’m looking at pull requests and not “issues”. And because I don’t really know, I just looked up what pull requests are:
Pull requests let you tell others about changes you’ve pushed to a branch in a repository on GitHub. Once a pull request is opened, you can discuss and review the potential changes with collaborators and add follow-up commits before your changes are merged into the base branch.
So that means that code has been written and requested to be merged into the main branch. Does that mean it’s already been tested in a non-main branch and is (hopefully) ready for prime time after some final review?
Yeah, assuming the code is ready (im not very good at programming so idk) the owners of the repository just have to merge those commits and the feature will end up in a subsequent release
That will solve so many problems!
Oh and I had a suggestion. If you’re able to, look at the poll figures for accounts created after this announcement vs the figures for pre-existing accounts. There may be evidence of people attempting to steer the results one way or another.
Yep, that’s the way I’m leaning
The Android app “Connect” does instance blocking and it’s so useful!
It’s too bad that it doesn’t also block comments from users of blocked instances. Isn’t there a uBlock Origin cosmetic filter that does that? Does anybody remember what that was?
Also, does anybody know of a way to browse two instances as one feed, and easily switch between users? I swore I heard there was some way to do that, but I don’t remember the details.
It’s too bad that it doesn’t also block comments from users of blocked instances.
That is indeed my main concern.
The communities they host may not be my cup of tea (although many are) but I curate my home feed and I’m prepared for literally anything when I browse all.
The problem is that a number of accounts on that instance seem to have a serious case of “fite me bro” they take into the rest of the system.
Also, does anybody know of a way to browse two instances as one feed, and easily switch between users?
I’ve heard the Liftoff app allows that but I’ve stuck to the webpage installed as an app on my phone so I can’t check to confirm.
Thanks, I’ll look into that.
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That person has been banned, and their posts removed.
But honestly, stuff like this is why it’s being put up to a vote. If our users feel that the balance is wrong, and hexbear users like that are doing more harm than we’re gaining from trans solidarity, then the vote will show that, and we will defederate.
That was a single person who appeared to be a wrecker and absolutely does not represent our views
I’ve seen a few people from there on here and my experiences have been nothing but pleasant.
On the other hand, the communities I’ve seen there seem almost troll like. Like the dumbest worst right-wing circlejerk except some insane left ideas and they hate on “liberals”? It’s so confusing to me.
Definitely some very cool people are from there though, from what I see here. I am conflicted. I don’t want the shitshow some of their communities starting over here.
Leftists use the term liberal to refer to people who are moderates, e.g. the Democrats rather than the communists. Liberals often hold some progressive ideals, but ultimately believe it should happen within the context of capitalism and our existing systems.
Hexbear hates on liberals a lot, but they’re hating on them because they’re not progressive enough. It’s not a right wing thing.
I’ve seen some of them claim to be a “leftist unity group” while “lib dunking” on anyone with a slightly different geopolitical opinion then them. And then there’s the incessant questioning if someone is “really a leftist”. It doesn’t seem to matter how progressive you are.
I used to call people libs, but after contact with them it feels cringe now, not gonna lie.
There are some cool people, but in my experience the vast majority are trolls pretending to be communists.
You ban trolls. You can’t reason with them because they derive enjoyment from engaging in bad faith.
What makes you think they’re pretending to be communists?
Trolls are trolls first and foremost. They may adopt some ideology for the lulz, but only as a way to rile people up and troll them.
But their ideology has been consistent for the years they’ve been completely isolated from the Fediverse. It doesn’t make sense that they would be trolls trolling no one but themselves for years with consistent ideology and rhetoric.
There’s an entire religious forum based on what you’re saying people wouldn’t do.
It’s all over the internet. People get off on fake personas they dive into.
https://screenshot-media.com/technology/social-media/christian-troll-farms/
The article you linked is about people manipulating the Facebook algorithm to show up on people’s pages. That’s very different from people on an isolated forum with a clear history and yet with no way for their content to reach outside their niche website until recently. They had extended struggle sessions about whether or not to even join the Fediverse, which wouldn’t make any sense for them to do if they just wanted to troll people.
This is weird conspiracy stuff. I’m sure there are people out there who pretend to be communists on the internet, but claiming that Hexbear is an entire instance of non-communist trolls with your only evidence being “they seem trolly” is nonsense.
Yeah, that was just a quick search of me trying to find the forum I’m talking about. There’s an entire troll forum website where everybody on it is acting real redneck/ignorant/racist/super bigoted. There’s quite a few people out there who think it’s real lol.
When they say “liberals” I personally understand it as referring to liberalism in the textbook economic sense, i.e. support for private property, market economies, Age of Enlightenment ideals of personal liberty, and what could be called “bourgeois” democracy. You may be somewhat familiar with the economic definition of “liberal” from the term “neoliberal”, which refers to the types of market liberalization associated with Reagan and Thatcher.
So basically the confusion comes because in the popular discourse of the United States, political terms are often used with completely different meanings from their more international/proper definitions. This is made worse by the fact that leftists use a number of words, such as “anarchy” and “dictatorship”, in completely different ways than most of the rest of the world.
The issue of contradictory definitions is particularly problematic for me as a Norwegian-American leftist, because I might say “I’m a republican. I’d never vote for Liberals or Democrats in my life. I strongly oppose liberal ideology.” one moment, and then the next I might say, “Oh, no, I’m absolutely a liberal! I hate Republicans like nothing else and only vote Democrat.”, with these statements not being contradictory in the slightest because these words are all autoantonyms with meanings depending on who exactly you’re speaking to. And don’t even get me started on the American versus Norwegian Overton windows!
Edit: I guess you could say these are examples of what the What Is Politics? podcast refers to as political “worbs”. Great podcast IMO.
You are completely correct and explained things well.
As a note for those wondering, anarchy refers to the absence of “unjust” hierarchy (take that as you will, different anarchists take different views on it) and dictatorship is the “rule without restriction” that a class has over society, e.g. a capitalist society is the “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie” not because there is a single person who is a dictator but because political power is overwhelmingly placed in the practical control of the bourgeoisie through many different means (corporate media, lobbying, speaking fees, etc.)
They definitely have troll vibes going on. But at least they seem mostly harmless. I’ve noticed a lot of jokes are copy paste. I like allies around as well.
If you look at their post about rule updates for their instance, there are several of them that say things like “but dunking on people is the entire reason to be federated”. Like they’re explicitly wanting to federate to be assholes on other instances.
Hopefully their admins can rein stuff in a bit.
Yeah, I haven’t looked at the rules, but yeah, fuck that.
I get that people aren’t a fan of their type of leftist politics but I don’t think they really do that much harm. I at least haven’t seen any brigading or vitriol from them and I think they’re valuable as a trans-positive space.
Shocked to see their politics described as leftist.
Did you miss their comments on the first post about defederation from hexbear? 95% of the comments were from them and were super aggressive and brigade-y
that’s true. it’s better that we’ve made our own post for instance-only discussion. Idk I don’t blame the reaction since it puts them in a tough spot where they feel inclined to defend themselves. but aside from a post literally being about them I haven’t seen them interact aggressively much on our instance.
I would not describe the comments on that post as defensive. Ada initially said we wouldn’t defed as there hadn’t been any issues, so there wasnt really anything they needed to defend themselves from. Everything they commented was aggressive and filled with vitriol. Even the comments regarding our instance over on hexbear are just rude.
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Ok sure, but my point is that’s NOT what was happening in that thread. Hexbear wasn’t just like “oh hey now we’re not all bad” or “I don’t know what behavior you’re complaining about”. They attacked Ada, Blahaj as a whole, and were just generally aggressive and unpleasant
And they’re still doing it both in this community and over on their own instance.
Personally I don’t agree with the decision to stay federated with them given the kind of community they foster. A great example is that the top post on the thread where they announced the rules change that was enough to remain federated a little longer is straight up abuser language.
I’d recommend checking out the thread and sorting by top to see what the most popular sentiments among the users over there is in regards to other instances.
Don’t participate, but it’s fairly eye opening.
I do hope that when you run the poll you have a way of ensuring that only people in our community can vote on it because given that they have a community on their instance dedicated to dogpiling and brigading I don’t trust them to not interfere with it.
I was fairly neutral after my first post and the admin response until I read that post. There are hexbear folks in that post explicitly saying “the whole point of federation is to dunk on people on other instances”. Also saying things like “you can’t have civil discussion with libs, you have to dunk on them”. Like they’re saying “we’re federated to be assholes to people who disagree with us”, which is a hard pass from me.
To be clear, it has nothing to to with being leftist. It has nothing to do with being trans. It has everything to do with them wanting to be assholes.
Hopefully their mods can reign stuff in to prevent that kind of behavior.
saying things like “you can’t have civil discussion with libs, you have to dunk on them”
Tbf, this is pretty consistent with my experience engaging with liberals on the fediverse. They almost invariably treat leftists like we’re naively ignorant of how political systems work while never entertaining the possibility they might be wrong.
Yea, I get that. At the same time, you can’t go in with immediate disrespect. I completely agree with responding to disrespect with an equal rebuff of disrespect. That is not what’s being done from what I saw and experienced in my interactions with several folks on hexbear.
That being said, it seems to be a small, but significant, minority of hexbear users that are engaging in this way.
You were hardly neutral when you made the request in the first place.
Correct, I was not. Ada’s response moved me to neutral because it brought understanding to why we federated in the first place, and I was ok just blocking their communities and moving on with my life.
And then their users started in on the thread.
As could very easily be expected. As has happened before and likely will again. Judging anything based on people upset when you bring up an inflammatory topic about them is no basis for a sound judgement.
We’ve had two other threads that they can easily see and they have not touched (except voting, presumably). That seems like the particular problem was solved.
As I said previously, if they wanted to defend themselves they were free to do so. But they instead attacked our admins and the instance as a whole.
Plus if they bothered to read, they’d have seen Ada saying defederation wouldn’t happen
That post doesn’t bother me at all. Someone talked some shit on their instance in the midst of some drama yesterday, seems like something they should be able to do on their own instance. I do not support defederating over that.
It’s just more about the whole attitude not inspiring much hope for me. I don’t really expect them to operate on good faith when they act like that.
They were acting like that in response to a thread where someone asked to defederate with them for petty reasons and their impression that our admin was upset that they’re anti-NATO (a mischaracterization). I’d probably be mad too. I disagree with a knee jerk reaction to a clash of cultures.
While, sure, saying we were “whining and crying” and stuff like that is just really off-putting to me.
It’s one thing to be upset and respond to it, it’s another to pretty much go straight into insulting. Like, yeah, sure, give them a chance, but I really don’t want that kinda stuff around.
If they keep it to just their instance but otherwise don’t change their behaviour, I will probably just end up blocking their stuff, as it just makes me mad, and call it a day. For now though I’m still reading their posts… even if they do make me mad, to judge for myself.
Most people didn’t go straight to insulting, they’re a pretty big instance and we would definitely know if they did. One of the reasons we have defederated people before is lack of moderator action, but their mods seem to be pretty on the ball. I’m more offended that Gormandt has posted the same picture several times all over the place as some kind of evidence of a mass issue, than some people being rude on an instance with 25,000.
It very much seemed like acceptable culture/behavior to me
Yeah, we have a way of making sure the results are representative
I’m happy to remain federated; I think the communities, mods and the instance admins (thanks!) do a good job of curating the community, and by and large hexbear users interacting with us on this instance seem to do so in good faith.
That being said, I would make the observation that, from my perspective at least, there seem to be more than a few hexbear users that are apologists for authoritarian regimes. I want to preface this by saying that I am of an anarchist bent, so am not exactly enamoured with ‘Western’ political systems either, but this should not preclude criticism of (bringing up the most often contested examples) the USSR or China.
That being said, discussion of these things are important and differing views should be seen, as I have often found enlightening articles or overlooked areas of history through reading these kinds of discussion.
Bottom line: I would remain federated, but ensure we maintain the character of our instance.
Very similar thoughts, also consider myself to have an anarchist bend.
Yeah. I certainly do not like the support for authoritarian regimes. Like, sorry if I don’t like the idea of putting my trust and life in the hands of some small handful of people in power. No matter whether they are the capitalist owner class or dictators. We don’t need to apologize for Russia or China to oppose and criticize the west.
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Holy shit, shut the fuck up. You don’t understand socialism or neoliberalism well enough to speak for either if you think the George Floyd murder was “democracy at work”. Delete the comment and maybe your account.
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At this point I don’t think we should defederate.
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They also had posts on their instance directing people to our meta post. If you look at that thread, it’s mostly hexbear users now
That post was deleted by their admin and their admin said to leave it alone, which it seems they did after being told to. Seems worth mentioning.
Yea, but that shouldn’t have to be said. Like it seems like basic courtesy to me.
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Maybe, but it’s kind of been the norm every time someone has brought up defederating an instance, because it naturally makes people upset and defensive, since it’s kind of a bigger deal than blocking a community you don’t like in All.
I’d expect it next time too, until Lemmy allows local-only threads. Maybe it’s better to expect human reactions to inflammatory topics.
A post here calling to block them ended up on their All feed, and it still didn’t get that bad.
It really did. I was the target of a lot of it, and I had to moderate the rest of it.
It also didn’t end up in their “all” feed as such. It was posted in their “dunk on a lib” community, and that made it to their all page. And then a great many of them jumped on over here and trolled.
Their admins stepped in and clarified things to ensure it won’t happen again, but before things calmed down, it was pretty bad.
I have hope that we can make things work going forward, but the stuff that happened before was absolutely not sustainable.
Does the fact that they have a community dedicated to organizing dogpiling and brigading not bother you?
Does it only bother you that they used it on you?
I don’t mind that they have a community to highlight what they consider to be “bad takes”. Hell, we have communities like that here, like “Are The Straights OK?” and “Bad Women’s Anatomy” etc.
The issue is when it crosses the line and becomes a source of harassment. I am hoping that the latter has been resolved, but we will see
Both the communities you list have rules about being civil/not brigading.
“The dunk tank” rules explicitly say you need to link to source and the point of the community is “This is where you come to post big-brained hot takes by chuds, libs, or even fellow leftists, and tear them to itty-bitty pieces with precision dunkstrikes.”
I’d say that’s a pretty big difference in purpose of the community.
Screenshot of their rules, with modlist cropped off.
Your link there posted as spoiler, not sure if you intended that or not
It’s a direct image in the comment, I put it in a spoiler once I realized how big the image is.
I didn’t want to link to the page directly because I didn’t want unnecessary traffic flooding their site.
It should open with a simple click/tap though.
Ahhh, gotcha.
The thing you just quoted was written years before Hexbear federated. It is absolutely not an indication that the community is for “brigading” other instances.
Then the rules need to be revised to make that clear. It certainly encouraged brigade behavior, whether that was intended by the community moderators or not
The admin on Hexbear added this rule in their recent update post:
- Do not directly link to comments or posts of other federated instances on public posts with intent to goad or mock.
I think this covers it well.
I don’t think they mean it like it’s written but I could be wrong here.
And if you’re curious the uncensored name is the name of one of their admins.
Edit: And the comment from said admin is still up, with higher up votes than when I screenshot it last night.
The the whole “dunk on a lib” community should be banned, right?
From our perspective, your instance has plenty of leftists who could also appreciate that slop like we do.
Why are you asking me?
Also, you’re the person that started this whole mess by comparing a bunch of leftist queer people to T_D. I think that’s an incredibly inflammatory thing to have said, and I’m not surprised their users felt they needed to defend themselves. That doesn’t excuse the worst of what was posted. But I saw a lot of top-level comments from trans users defending the space in a reasonable way.
As for that community, as long as they aren’t linking to posts then what right do you or I have to decide if it should exist? If they want to post screenshots with names censored and have their discussion on their instance, I don’t see any issues with that.
I will admit that it was poorly written, but if you read what I said it was that the VIBE was like T_D. And I stand by that. They’re intentionally inflammatory vibes based politics. And I love that for them, but I don’t want any community that celebrates “dunking” on anyone around me. I highly tailored my Reddit use specifically to avoid assholes like that because it makes for discourse shitty.
You stand by the fact that you compared a bunch of queer people to a group of our violent oppressors? Trans children are being legally kidnapped in Florida by Republicans. I’m sorry, but as an Australian, I think you’re a cunt. Queer Solidarity is more important than ever right now.
they have a community dedicated to organizing dogpiling and brigading
We absolutely do not lol
The dunk tank community is pretty damn close to that. Even if that’s not the primary purpose it certainly caused hexbear users to dogpile on the first post and to attack Ada.
I think having the rule about top-level comments on defed posts being from Blahaj members only has helped a lot. What would you think about making it a permanent rule in the sidebar of this community?
Also, I was wondering if it might be worthwhile finding a trusted community member or two to add as moderators to this community. That way it wouldn’t just be you and supakaity having to remove those comments. That way y’all could focus more on the decision-making aspect of a potential defed, as well as more pressing server admin tasks.
Edit: I was going to add, my reasoning for these two things is that these questions around defederation are only going to become more frequent as Lemmy grows, especially here on Blahaj where we have a higher standard than most instances do.
I think both of those ideas are good ones. I’ll make it a project for this weekend.
@[email protected] automoderator when tho?
(dw I know there’s not one that’s ready for production. hopefully soon 🤞)
Thanks for this! I personally find most of Hexbear annoying on a personal level, but that’s a problem I can personally solve with community blocking (and I mostly surf my subbed communities anyway). The way the original metathread devolved put them on thin fucking ice as far as federation is concerned. They seem to have a large proportion of people who are assholes for assholes sakes and haven’t learned that just because you believe you’re right about something doesn’t mean you have a pre-ordained right to be a fucking asshole. Or at least I’ve seen a lot of those folks, which has left a bad taste in my mouth.
I honestly don’t know about them that much but I’m fine with what people decide :)
Mostly I just wanted to add that Lemmy needs a way to limit who can reply to posts because it would solve a lot of problems
Yep, local only posts/communities would be really helpful!
Until thats done, i think that could be done with an automoderator. E.g. iff a post title begins with [ONLYLOCAL] then trawl the comments every n minutes and remove all comments from nonlocal users. Maybe it would fall apart at scale? But im not sure. It would certainly be more performant as part of the software itself, but i do think its possible with an automod.
Just want to throw some admin appreciation in here. Sudden drama like this taking off like a wildfire can be pretty difficult to handle (particularly in the face of brigading) and I appreciate y’all staying level headed and legitimately trying to foster broader trans community outside of our instance. It’s an important niche and I’m glad to be a part of it.
EDIT: I think this is especially important to mention as the discourse has kind of soured from both sides. Sure it’s understandable that tensions are running high but it’s important to remember that there’s real people on the other end of it, in some cases doing free labor for a community that they love.
Agreed. And I had not intended to cause the drama that it did. I was hoping for a civil discussion about hexbear because I was getting really frustrated by constantly seeing their communities show up in my “All” feed while I’m still building my subscription list. Like seeing a story I thought would lead to an interesting discussion, opening up the comments and just saying “goddamnit” and blocking another community was really frustrating.
Now they I’ve blocked most of their big communities it’s been better, but their behavior in they thread as well as some of their community’s reaction to proposed rule changes has me thinking that maybe my initial reaction was correct.
Fuckin’ ludicrous. Absolutely fuckin’ ridiculous. Where was this restraint with lemmynsfw? Where was the “wait and mull things over” there? Why shoot from the hip in one instance and hold fire on the other one? Goddamn, the hypocrisy is palpable.
I really do not understand why people are so pressed about that
My understanding of the situation is:
Ada: whoa I think I saw CSAM
Other Admin: No it’s legal so it will stay
Ada: While it is legal, I am uncomfortable having any content that could be mistaken for CSAM on my instance, goodbye
It’s not like you can’t make an account on plenty of other instances to interact with lemmynsfw if you really wanted to. The majority of the blahaj community here seem totally fine with her decision too, so it’s not like some crazy power trip
I think admin would like to try to maintain some trans solidarity, which I completely understand.
As people have said, I’m trying to maintain some cohesion in trans protective instances. If we defederate then the majority of trans protective instances will be isolated from each other, and I don’t want that to happen. I am absolutely giving hexbear more slack for that reason.
I was listening to a podcast the other day ( https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510282/pop-culture-happy-hour ) and learned about a new phrase: “rep sweats”.
When you have a person who is aligned with a specific minority group encountering a piece of media or interest or subculture that provides positive representation of their specific minority group, that there is an inherent pesky need to WANT to like that specific thing EVEN IF it’s not very good.
I feel like that’s exactly what’s happening here with Hexbear. They’re self-admitted trolls. But they’re friendly to trans people… so we’re having rep-sweats about aligning with them.
It’s supposedly a sign that your minitory group has truly taken hold in society when one can confidently look at a piece of, say, trans-aligned media and say “Yeah, it’s got trans representation in it… but it’s not good and I don’t like it.”
I had no idea the phenomenon had a name
This is a great write up and honestly seems to describe what’s going on quite accurately
It’s not. I have no time for hexbear political views. I don’t like their politics just because they’re trans. What I do like, is their strong pro-active protection of their trans userbase. And to me, that is more important than political differences.
Of course, not everyone shares that opinion, but that’s why it’s a vote, and not me going with my own opinion.
We have very much not taken hold in society. We are under attack in ways that are often quite literally killing us, and unlike the fediverse at large, the threadiverse is full of trans hostile folk on generalist instances, many with admins that won’t deal with anything but the most egregious transphobia.
I genuinely believe that empowering trans communities and trans folk in the threadiverse is super important in changing that.
Splitting us apart makes that harder, and keeps the threadiverse more hostile overall. Of course, sticking together doesn’t help if the hostility is coming from within the house, but my hope is that we can get that part sorted out. Maybe we can’t, and if that’s the case, we will do what we have to do, but I would like to make the attempt, because I think that in the long term, learning to work with other trans protective instances will empower us all
I completely agree. I also feel like blahaj has its own transphobic takes and maybe y’all need more mods / modtools to deal with bad takes like this, which maybe CARCOSA can help you with. I’d also take the vote to defed with a grain of salt personally given how many votes I’ve seen given out to people who question the validity of peoples’ genders. I don’t envy you needing to deal with all this nonsense, I got offered mod on hexbear many times but declined cause I didnt want to deal with what you deal with, got plenty going on in my own life.
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I completely agree. I also feel like blahaj has its own transphobic takes and maybe y’all need more mods / modtools to deal with bad takes like this, which maybe CARCOSA can help you with.
I think you need to make some allowances for volunteer availability. I got to that post in under an hour. The hexbear post targeting me was up for over a day, and was only removed when I sent a DM to an admin, because that’s just how it works sometimes. Volunteers aren’t available all the time, and the moderation tools on lemmy are far from perfect.
You aren’t paragons of perfection anymore than we are. We both have big communities with diverse opinions, and admins that are trying to keep community standards on track.
If you mean it when you say trans unity, then you need to allow for us to work towards it, rather than expecting perfection, especially immediately
Oh no, not saying you aren’t trying or to get it immediately, sorry if the tone didn’t convey that properly. Also fed seems a little wonky rn so theres a lot of delays between posts.
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I hope you dive deeper into the podcast rabbithole than NPR someday soon.
What makes you think I haven’t? I mentioned learning something new, and provided a citation.
Potential CSAM is a whole different beast. The consequences are a lot more serious than community vibes.
Lol such garbage and spineless admins that can’t do what is right for their own users, instead the onus is dumped on the users to make the choice so the admins don’t want to feel responsible. 🤣
Yeah this is tough. I posted a comment in the original thread and had a really great interaction with someone explaining their thoughts but also just troll comments. It felt like a representation of their whole community: a mix of really passionate people who want to spread a message and left-wing 4chan-esque belligerent trolls. I think that ideally they can let us know (not through their words, rather their actions) whether their community values discussion over “dunking”. If the main point of their federation is only to find people to argue with, we should defederate. If they actually want to be involved in good faith interactions, we can individually block users or communities that push it too far.
I think the comment that Gormandt posted earlier is pretty revealing that there’s a decent chunk of the community is more interested in dunking than discussion. Even to the point of “honest discussion is pointless, dunking is all that works”.
