The reverse of that post I’ve made a week ago…
Rules: pick one movie or series and explain why you actually enjoyed it despite the criticism.
For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn’t take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG… These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.
I thought Waterworld was fine.
I honestly thought Morbius was a breath of fresh air for ditching the “Self-aware, meta, woke!” trends that MCU was chasing and just told a dark transhumanist story with super heroish themes.
Like I’d rather watch Morbius again than most of the MCU films made Post-End Game.
And Warcraft really wasn’t a bad movie at all, it was just bitten by the “Anything that is in the Fantasy Genre is automatically a LOTR ripoff!” bug that had been going around for awhile.
If it had came out around the time when audiences stopped caring about what critics think (Sonic’s 2020 film seems to be where that started), it would have done a lot better (Sonic leading the way for video game movies being taken seriously also would have helped)…
Hell if Warcraft (2016) had come out in 2020, that would have been after Blizzard’s fall from grace (“Don’t you guys have phones? No? Time to shit all over the WoW lore and ruin Overwatch then!”), meaning that people would probably
Finally, I’m still firmly in the camp that in 10 years people will come around on the sequels like they did for the prequels (Last Jedi might still be considered the “Not as good” one admittedly). I can’t say the same about the various “Franchise fatigue? What’s that?” shows that Disney
keptkeeps greenlighting though.“Alcolyte was a good show, but no one saw it? Damn, time to release Skeleton Crew I guess!”
For me: The JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, by far the best ST stuff ever made, I couldn’t take seriously the original universe with the dated effects and stiff acting, same goes for NG… These movies did ST actually great looking and much more believable, not just the effects.
Just kidding… but not really.
Yeah, to each their own, but if you think this, you don’t understand why people like Star Trek.
Maybe I do understand why people like Star Trek, but I just don’t like that myself?
Dude if in universe they talk about hyper advanced races or warlords without mercy or AI and all the have is actors in shitty make up or awful “martial arts” and sword fighting, then the new movies are better by default. It’s about immersion
This is a bit right? You’re doing a bit? …right?
What are you talking about?
I’m with you. Both that I enjoyed the movie and don’t understand the point this guy trying to make.
Yeah, those crappy TV shows had brainwashed him
Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone with this confusing of an opinion. And I’ve met Trump supporters that love Star Trek.
The new movies are more credible and feel more real for a sci fi movie, is that hard to understand?
You… You are aware just how much tech and effects have progressed in the last sixty years… Right? What they were doing was groundbreaking for the time, pretty much every time.
It was not great even for it’s time. It was passable and I’m also talking about the movie version of those old series with Kirk and Picard. Star wars came like what… A couple of years after? And looked much better, the next gen movies came after the old trilogy and still couldn’t look better…
The final results are what matter. With sci-fi, the special effects are a primordial part. Also I’m not just talking about effects. Old material was acted like a radio play or theatre… Not a fan. That slowly changed with next generation but still wasn’t enough.
JJ Abrams movies are “ST if it was actually on our world”. And the actors are EXCELLENT, even the haters admit all of them did excellent evocations of the old actors, some of them actually felt like the same actor but younger, which wasn’t necessary since that could alienate the viewer but whatever, it worked.
I don’t have any strong feelings about Star Trek. But I know enough to treat it as a piece of philosophy. It was never about the most advanced visual effects possible (although some of the effects and makeup are quite impressive imo). Star Trek was an investigation into what it means to be human, and the morality behind that. If there was cool tech stuff, that was bonus.
It’s hard to compare the two (original series vs. JJ Abrams), being across such vast differences in time (relative to the progress of technology and style in filmmaking) but its impossible if you’re just going to outright denounce all the qualities the original had for its time.
Star wars came like what… A couple of years after? And looked much better
Star Trek (1966-1969)
Star Wars (1977)
You do the math.
It was not great even for it’s time. It was passable… With sci-fi, the special effects are a primordial part.
What are you comparing it to? The progress in filmmaking during that time was ridiculous. The steadicam hadn’t even been invented yet so shots were much more static. For the time, people were blown away by the sets and effects.
Also I’m not just talking about effects. Old material was acted like a radio play or theatre… Not a fan.
All the acting and direction in every show and movie at that time was stilted and stiff and yes, very akin to a play. That was the time of Adam West Batman. You don’t have to be a fan. But your statements about it not being good for its time are… Ignorant? At best.
JJ Abrams movies are “ST if it was actually on our world”.
You’re delusional is you think “actually in our world” is measured by the visual effects technology and the progress of film/TV acting and direction of the time. Connection with the real world is quite literally what set Star Trek apart and made it change the course of sci fi film and television. It took real world politics and social issues and made them part of a sci fi story.
But if epic CGI space battles and intrusive lens flare from non-existent lights is your definition of reality, there’s not much else we can say.
I say this purely tongue in cheek.
Enjoy your polished turd. But don’t look directly at it. It will blind you with lens flare.
Funny thing, I didn’t even really notice the lense flares until people started complaining about it… I guess when you live with something like that all the time (thanks, astigmatism), seeing it on screen just doesn’t have the same effect on you
actually, it’s about imagination
No is not. These aren’t books, it’s an audio visual media. Seeing Kirk in a bad looking cardboard looking set pretending to be another planet with soap opera acting won’t sell the idea
Ngl, I’m with you, holy crap they seem absolutely miserable.
@[email protected] I say this with all the love for a stranger I can have in my heart:
Hackers
The Postman. Compared to other post apocalyptic cheese fests it feels like a more nuanced display of societal breakdown and the re-emergence of the barter economy.
Freddie Got Fingered was completely panned when it came out, but I absolutely loved it! It was so ahead of its time, Tim and Eric-style comedy.
GORD! GORDY!!!
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Couldn’t agree more. Freddy Got Fingered is the cultest of classics. RedLetterMedia’s take on it is great (YouTube link not provided)
I’ll check it out! I went in knowing nothing except that it’s the “worst movie ever” and I laughed sooooo hard throughout!
loved it too, got the DVD out of a $5 bin
So many movies but let’s go with: Ghostbusters 2016. I had an absolute blast watching it and Chris played one of the best himbos of all time
My only real problem with it is that despite being all-woman led, it fails to be a feminist movie because Chris Hemsworth steals every scene he is in! Other than that it was fine. Not great but watchable
What? No, it’s a female gaze movie through and through. Like George of the Jungle back in the day
Now you’ve reminded me of this joke again.
Gotta love that narrator. One of my favorite narrators in a movie.
Ghostbusters 2016 is under appreciated for what it accomplishes over the original, the recent one with the grandkids is so generic and bland.
Ya, I didn’t think it was great but it wasn’t as bad as it was made out to be. It was fine.
“Freddy Got Fingered”. Not a masterpiece but I found it hilarious. Was surprised it was rated so low online 🤷♂️
I don’t think I’ve seen it since in came out, in that era when Tom Green was at the too of his career and i was a teenager. I’m curious how it holds up now, but I have a feeling that I won’t enjoy it anymore.
You gotta like dumb humor, and I mean a step down from the Seth Rogan and friends type of movies lol.
If you don’t enjoy those, probably won’t enjoy FGF anymore.
Daddy, would you like some sausages?
Daddy would you like some sausage? Daddy would you like some sausages?
One of my favorite movie scenes
We’ve got Tom Green, Harlan Williams, and the rip Rip Torn
Any time Tom Green comes up in conversation I have to also link this gem: Tom Green freestyling
Since I’m on the topic, other favorite clips are:
https://youtu.be/p8aTHf01OFo And this one: https://youtu.be/pZAckMNSKWU (For the impatient)
Roger is by far my favorite character in any show so I suppose I’m a little biased
I’m sure the films would have been far far far better received if they hadn’t completely trashed almost every single character trait that had been established over decades and decades of world building. He took an established ip and tore it to bits to make a film. If he’d have given the characters different names no one would’ve known it was a Star Trek film. The new films have literally no continuity with all that came before. I think that’s where the hate comes from.
Green Lantern. I went in expecting cartoony quips and got what I expected. Everyone calls it a stupid movie like they went in expecting Shakespeare and found the Muppets. I went in expecting a live action comic book, and yeah that’s pretty much what I got. Fun show, watched it a few times now.
No matter how nice you are about Green Lantern, Ryan Reynolds still won’t call you. Don’t ask how I know, it’s a touchy subject.
I know why he’s mad, it was a box office disaster. Nothing can fix that short of a time machine.
I would 100% watch Muppets doing Shakespeare. That’s basically what the comedies were in those days anyway.
Cats (2019). The story is good, the music is good, the casting is good. People made it a huge meme cause of the CGI, but even that is pretty well done. It has a beautiful story, and if you’re a pet lover like me, it really makes you emotional. Its also fucking insane. The entire time you watch it, you just go “people spent years of their life and millions to make this”. Its a very surreal experience. I’ve also haven’t met a person who has watched the movie and didn’t like it.
To be fair, I haven’t met anyone who has watched the movie
I was a fan of the musical long before the movie, and the movie was meh. The celebrity performances ranged from yuck to average, and the attempts at added humor were way off.
But I can’t see how it could be translated into a movie much better (I missed Growltiger’s last stand, and felt Beautiful Ghosts detracted from Memory as the emotional peak). Dancers in tights would look ridiculous (and we have the 1998 “movie” for that), and any more realistic cats would remove what little remains of the physicality on film.
So no issues with the maligned CGI, would watch again, no match for the adorably ridiculous stage show.
I like all the Terminator movies. All of them. Time travel, killer robots, Arnold; I know it’s wrong but I can’t help myself.
I can see liking everything up to Salvation, but the last two movies are mostly just lazy cash grabs.
I actually enjoyed Dark Fate well enough. It made some ballsy decisions and at least made a modicum of sense.
Dark Fate was awesome, “The Return of Sarah Connor” and all that; I like that they’re talking about divergent timelines leading to the same destination - humanity destroying itself through tech. I’ll admit that Salvation wasn’t great, but if you give me a choice between no Terminators in a movie and Terminators in a movie I’ll take the first almost every time.
I just want to see Terminator vs Predator.
I felt like the problem with Dark Fate was less that the film itself was in any particular way flawed and more that the universe doesn’t really have any more good stories in it.
There are many rich and fertile fictional universes where you can imagine new places and politics and technologies ad infinitum to tell new and exciting stories. There are character universes where you can dig deep into the families and relationships. But Terminator, fundamentally, is just “modern day world” with a very specific doomsday arc. The only story to tell that deserves to be called part of the Terminator universe is the story of thwarting that doomsday. And once you’ve done so perfectly via Terminator 2: Judgment Day, there’s literally no point in sticking around.
Weren’t the terminator movies insanely popular?
Edit: i was thinking just the original 2 or 3 movies my bad. I don’t even think I saw the ones after that.
The quality dropped off a cliff after Terminator 2. This guy says he likes all of them.
Terminator 3 was great and I’ll fight anyone who says otherwise. It completed the story nicely and put a little bow on top of it. If they would have ended the series there, I would have been satisfied.
Salvation was unnecessary, but fun to see stoned off my ass in theaters. Giant robots fighting on a big screen? Sign me the fuck up. Wouldn’t go out of my way to see it again, though.
I don’t remember a thing from Genesys but I remember enjoying it as well. Haven’t seen any other Terminator films.
The trilogy, yeah.
But they make up like half of the total now?
A million ways to die in the west is a solid dumb comedy. The movie has dogshit reviews on every review site but I enjoyed it.
It’s full of good, snappy writing, too. Great skits all throughout.
It’s not as good as Ted but still great.
“Ain’t nobody have a dollar!”
“Yeah, show us the dollar!”
Pulls out a $1 bill; crowd gasps
“Take your hat off and show some respect, boy, that there’s a dollar bill!”
Dad: You’re late!
Seth: Late for fucking what?!
Dad: Fair Enough
Huh, I think I didn’t know (or just forgot) that it was panned… I liked it, it was fun
I unironically really want to see Seth McFarlane do more comedies like this one. It was a blast all the way through.
I can’t believe I want to see him in more sci-fi. I miss the Orville so much.
For some reason he’s who I pictured in my head when reading Project Hail Mary.
Was that show good? I actually never watched it.
I went in expecting family guy in space and instead I got a really good spoof of star trek with a comfortable mix of low-brow humor and well thought out commentary. I’d honestly give it a go if I were you, Seth McFarland is so much funnier than most give him credit for.
It’s Star Trek with Seth MacFarlane’s humor mixed in. I really enjoy it, and hope the rumors of a season 4 starting filming this year are true.
Plus I have a huge crush on Adrianne Palicki.
I know! I wish he did more.
Holmes and Watson with Will Ferrel and John C. Reilly
I liked Madame Web.
I know in most places online that’s tantamount to saying you enjoy being mean to puppies & kittens, but I enjoyed the movie.
Why? Because of the precognition plot element. Was it as smooth & impressive as Knives Out? No, but I’m still glad I watched it.
