I’m upgrading my circa 2014 PC this year, plan on rolling with this fella for another decade.
there is no way in hell a 2014 computer is able to run modern games on medium settings at all, let alone running well. my four year old computer (Ryzen 5 4000, GTX 1650, 16 GB RAM) can barely get 30-40 fps on most modern games at 1080p even on the absolute lowest settings. don’t get me wrong, it should still work fine. however, almost no modern games are optimized at all and the “low” settings are all super fucking high now, so anon is lying out of his ass.
It says the story took place in 2020. And that it played “Most games” on medium settings. 30-40 fps is playable to a lot of people. I’m inclined to believe them.
I want to say I upgrade every 6 years. Getting mid to upper specs and a mid range video card and it’ll last you for a long time.
I just bought a new machine!
It’s a 2020 to replace my 2016 that I got in 2016.
This one should do for a while.
Not an gamer but still using a PC bought when Win8 first came out
I recently repurposed a xeon CPU/motherboard from 2012 to run my Proxmox server. Bought a rack mount case, noctua fans, new ram, cpu cooler, and gavie it a good thorough cleaning. Not blazing fast, but does the job.
The experience of playing modern games on a modern AAA “high end” PC is obviously going to be better if you care about things like ray-tracing and high framerates or resolution. You can’t really dispute that.
But it would be stupid to say you’re wrong if you just want to play that same game on your system if it actually runs. If the game is playable and you’re having fun, you’re doing it correctly.
I only upgrade when I start to see multiple games a year that just straight up don’t work on my computer.
Upgrading my ryzen 7 1700 and GTX 1080 for a 5800X3D and RX 7900 XT this weekend. Waiting for the CPU but it’s cool to be able to go from first to last Gen that this motherboard can support
My main steed is an HP ZBook from 2014, and it is a powerful and fast computer.
Maybe it is like drug addicts or drunks who, even though they know it is not the healthiest vice, they try to get everyone else to do it too?
I’d answer Anon by saying that the other gamers need to feel validated, and justified in spending thousands of dollars upgrading their PCs.
I’ll do you onetwo better: my computer’s from 2012. I can play even modern games on high settings sometimes. It wasn’t even a high specced one at the time. I think I put about $1200 into the actual components AND monitor/keyboard.
Everyone’s different. Maybe for you playing a game on “high settings” in 1080p@30 is enough but others might prefer 4k@60 or 1440p@100 or more fps. Also, define “modern”.
If not playing competitive, there’s very little reason to go latest and greatest. Just buy something with software support, or use Linux where support is practically guaranteed for at least a decade
Linux is actually a problem area here, because various crucial libraries for running games have limited support for hardware that old. I tried for a long time to get it working with stuff from 2012, my problems disappeared after upgrading my cpu recently. Something with Vulkan compatibility I think.
Any idea what? Wine/proton should abstract away all those issues. Or are you talking about old native Linux games?
Wine/proton is specifically what doesn’t work, though most linux native games also did not work. Based on my experience with that I’m confident that everyone saying it just works for them has relatively new hardware.
You get a vulkan error that sounds the same if you have the wrong GPU drivers, some older cards need a different driver eg radeon vs amdgpu
Also possible your card is so old it doesn’t even have a vulkan implementation, what was it?
It is a 3060 but I confirmed this is not a GPU or driver issue because replacing the CPU/mobo fixed it. Had the same issues with an older card also, upgrading it didn’t help, nothing I did with graphics drivers helped.
That is only really a problem for CPUs one would consider today as ancient like a Pentium 3 from 1999 because it doesn’t have e.g. SSE2 support which Wine (and afaik Vulkan) needs. Everything after that should work without any problems.
With older or slower CPUs performance may suffer, of course, but that is not a compatibility question.
Everything after that should work without any problems.
Well it doesn’t, again, 2012, gave errors and doesn’t run, not performance, idk what else to say except maybe to ask if you have tested this yourself
Then it was an software problem. It can’t be the CPU. unless you were using something very old. maybe the problem got solved when you reinstalled the system after you got your new CPU.
maybe the problem got solved when you reinstalled the system after you got your new CPU.
I didn’t reinstall the OS after getting the new CPU, but had done so multiple times before that.
It can’t be the CPU. unless you were using something very old.
You’re welcome to elaborate on your reasoning for this but I get the impression you haven’t tested it yourself, and I am saying, based on my experience, that you are wrong about it. Why exactly you’re wrong, I don’t know, but it’s wrong.
My point is this: someone with 10+ year old hardware should not be expecting to be able to run most games on linux because it likely won’t work. Something like that is the cutoff, not 20+ years. If you’re not yourself playing games on such a system you shouldn’t be advising people otherwise, because you don’t know.
You were claiming that some libraries had limited support for CPUs from 2012, which is simple said absolute and utter nonsense.
You are also trying to pin Vulcan problems on CPUs. Which is nonsense as well, since Vulkan has absolutely nothing to do with CPUs since it is a graphics API using the GPU. The only thing that may be is that you were using the integrated GPU built in your CPU, which was not compatible with Vulkan instead of using your dedicated GPU.
In that case, it could explain why changing the CPU fixed the problem, but it was actually never a problem of the CPU itself but a configuration error on your part.
And as said, Wine will run on absolutely anything that came after a Pentium III, so it is very much impossible that your CPU that was from 2012 could not run Wine. But it would be of course very helpful if you would actually tell us what CPU you had.
And yes, i tested it. My old CPU was a Phenom 2 from 2010 and Wine ran just fine with it and still does . And i very clearly gave you the reason in my first post. Which is Wine requiring SSE2.
Man, i even can play some older games with Wine on my Dell XPS M1330 Laptop which came out in 2007. That thing runs an ancient Dual-Core. This needs some tinkering though.
You were claiming that some libraries had limited support for CPUs from 2012, which is simple said absolute and utter nonsense.
You are also trying to pin Vulcan problems on CPUs. Which is nonsense as well
Well ok, I apologize as that was bullshit, that stuff in particular I’m less confident about and is mostly just a guess based on vague memories. I also have an older laptop from the same era with linux that also won’t run games, and now that I think about it I might have been getting things mixed up with that re the Vulkan errors, where that laptop also has an older graphics card.
What isn’t a guess is that I tried many things over the years with the idea that it could be a software issue, most games did not work with errors, until the CPU upgrade after which games I’ve tried work with steam/proton. The specific cause is unknown to me. But since I spent so much time on it, and because I had similar issues with that other laptop I mentioned, I feel confident this is a general problem of older hardware and Linux gaming.
But it would be of course very helpful if you would actually tell us what CPU you had.
I still have it somewhere, I will check. It says AMD Athlon X4, and that it’s from 2011.
Wine ran just fine with it and still does . And i very clearly gave you the reason in my first post. Which is Wine requiring SSE2.
First of all, I’m saying there’s problems running most games, especially modern games, not that Wine doesn’t run at all, it did. I was mostly trying with proton/lutris since Wine by itself needs more tinkering. Second, it’s flawed logic to point to a compatibility issue that exists with very old hardware and say that because that particular compatibility issue would not apply, that no issue can exist. A case that no issue exists would need way more than that. How can you be sure that there are no dependencies in the software used to make games compatible, on CPU features introduced more recently?
some older games with … some tinkering
This being possible has of course been the case for a very long time. What hasn’t is, a large portion of modern games being playable on linux with minimal tinkering, which is a recent development. But I did not have that experience, until I got new hardware, and I think that’s also how it would go for other people.
Did you try cleaning your PC and replacing the thermal paste before upgrading? Linux struggles with CPU temperature
If people are pushing you to buy stuff, they are not friends. Do not listen to them.
No, no see sir we are great friends!
Now let me tell you about this great $20,0000 Flatscreen that i get 30% commission on (welcome to bestbuy circa 2000)
(This is satire)
Gaming PCs are like cars, imo. You should be trying to get like 8 years out of them before you replace it.
Unlike most cars, most gaming PCs can then upgraded. Then they can be repurposed.