We only have to convince people to hate one more car than they already despise.
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I hate my car too, I’m just required to own it because I need it I’m the suburbs to commute and it has already been paid off.
I live in a very very car dependent city with an almost non-existent bus system I survived for 7 years without a car until a potential employer insisted that in order to work there a car was mandatory. This happened at three separate job offers in my career before I finally caved.
It’s incredibly common for most decently paying jobs where I live, and has been becoming more common even as the gov:t has pushed for public transit (and reliability of trains has declined). The potential costs of an employee being potentially 30+ minutes late due to transit issues are just too great.
It’s incredibly common for most decently paying jobs where I live, and has been becoming more common even as the gov:t has pushed for public transit (and reliability of trains has declined). The potential costs of an employee being potentially 30+ minutes late due to transit issues are just too great.
I understand their point of view it just sucks because no doubt it’s generated even more traffic exacerbating the problem
If you managed to escape car centric development, you still got to escape car centric employment.
Remote work?
I really hope more workplaces embrace remote work but unfortunately the nature of work I do necessitates in person work
I hate the one I drive too. It’s a piece of shit.
“The only moral pollution is my pollution.”
You’re not stuck in traffic, you ARE traffic.
Sunk cost fallacy. We already dropped money on it, after all.
I swear y’all are rotten in the brain
You think we drive around and sit in traffic because we just like doing it?
We drive because we have no other options. Driving sucks, almost everyone hates it, it’s just the most efficient option by a landslide in most of the US.
Yeah but the thing is: most you do nothing to change that and some of you actively prevent change.
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Do you mean it’s the most efficient for personal choice given current political conditions, or do you mean it’s the most efficient for a society to organise around and for politicians to plan for?
Most efficient route for an individual to get from A to B. Probably the least efficient as a standard for society when you factor in carbon emissions.
Precisely. That’s what this sub is about.
Also, if you’ve lived in an area that’s really designed properly like Amsterdam, renewable transport is more convenient than cars are in America
I hope we get to that point too.
Are there people here who don’t know that? You’re preaching to the choir.
Are there people here who don’t know that?
Yes. Quite a few. Plenty of terminally online cyclists think motorists are intentionally trying to run them over, it’s insane. Like literal mental illness levels of persecution complex. Every time fuckcars pops up on my feed I see it at least once and call it out.
If you don’t think there are some drivers that actively try to scare cyclists off the road then you don’t ride a bike. Hint: they often drive black lifted pickup trucks with tinted windows; you know the type.
Sure but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they own a vehicle. They’re like that outside of their Small Penis Cope Machines too. They litter, they’re rude, etc.
Earlier you said:
Plenty of terminally online cyclists think motorists are intentionally trying to run them over
And I have explained why cyclists know that some drivers are indeed aggressive towards them: punishment passes, honking, etc.
Sure but that’s because they’re assholes, not because they own a vehicle
That is moving the goalposts. It’s easier to admit that you were wrong and we can all move on.
I said
motorists
You said
some drivers
The brain rot cyclists I’m talking about think all drivers hate cyclists. Everyone knows these assholes hate cyclists. Some of the terminally online types think everyone behind the wheel is like them
It only takes one crash to injure or kill a cyclist – there’s no such thing as a fender bender when you are on two wheels.
Try commuting by bike for a month and you will understand why cyclists are so distrustful of cars in North America. It’s a lot scarier than drivers realize.
Nah, we think you’re on your phone, asleep at the wheel, halfwitted, careless, angry and frustrated and in a hurry.
And you don’t really remember the highway code, because that was some guff you had to study for an exam when you were eighteen. Nobody really drives like that, right?
And you’ve usually been driving for more than an hour so your minds aren’t really on the job.
And you’ve got the music on really high and it keeps distracting you at important moments.
The few drivers who actually are soulless malevolent murderers who enjoy the thought of running over pedestrians and cyclists really make the other 90% look bad though.
This place is like a zoo for stupid people, it’s great.
Thing is, if we’re conflating hate for other drivers with hate for other cars, the absolute worst thing on the road is buses because bus drivers absolutely never obey certain traffic laws like “drive in one lane at a time” or “no changing lanes without signalling”, and when they park by the side of the road, it’s way worse than when a mere car does it.
Seriously, bus drivers are the exact opposite of 18-wheeler drivers. They’re the bullies of the street.
The thing is, buses are 30x more important than most cars and should be prioritized as such, in the same way that emergency services are infinitely more important than every other vehicle. Buses are (morally)allowed to drive like aggressive twats and every other vehicle needs to get out of the way.
Unfortunately, some car drivers have missed the memo and think their time is more important than 30 other people’s. Those are the people that should be shamed, not the poor underpaid bus driver that’s trying their best to get a whole busload of passengers to work on time.
You can complain that a bus cut you off when you have 20 people in the back of your car
Where the hell is this coming from? In my city buses are the bullied ones, if anything. I feel like drivers have some minor degree of empathy towards other drivers but that totally goes out of the window when they have to let a bus pass.
Also, buses are generally operated by the city administration so it makes zero sense that the city would let its own employes violate traffic laws.
Sounds alot like religion…
I drive no car. >:(
I hate being in a car. If we had reliable and safe public transportation I’d actually go places. Trains would be nice too.
Same. I’ve skipped concerts I had tickets to because the only real way I had to get there was to drive, and the thought of parking, and then dealing with the shit show of cars leaving, was more than I wanted to deal with. There weren’t any good alternatives, so I just didn’t go.
Eh, not a massive fan of driving either. I still have a car, as my town’s bus network isn’t entirely bulletproof (though it is really awesome), and of course for going between towns when necessary.
I find the general vibe of this community to be more fuck car dependancy than fuck every car that has ever existed for any purpose.
Just: I’m in the latter category, but that’s because I’m an avid pedestrian who’s been almost run over FAR too many times.
Sometimes groups like this go overboard since they’re naturally sort of echo chambers. Not saying that has happened here yet
Unless it’s a pickup or ute, in which case burn it.
Vans, regardless of size, are OK though.
Very true. But I would still get rid of either mine or my wife’s (and only keep one for trips) if we had public transportation… or fucking sidewalks at least.
A bit like the consensus that most gods don’t exist.
I believe in Gods, but my Gods have no problem with you or anyone else doing whatever the heck you want, and we’ll probably end up in the same afterlife…
My gods are old and come to me in dreams to show me an ancient city, deep beneath the ocean. I think they’re trying to tell me about Atlantis.
I do hope that city isn’t called R’lyeh…
They sound like great Gods, and I’ll believe in them even though they don’t exist. Where do we meet up to sing?
Around the fire, we can sing to praise Óðinn. It calms the mind and inspires. And I agree with your sentiment exactly - I’m Nietzschean in my philosophy, but I use belief as a tool, at least while I’m personally figuring out where to go in light of the death of god.
NoooOoOo, you need to worship like I worship or you’re not doing it right.
Not if I get my way. I’ll have access to a holodeck that can make me food, and you’ll never see me again!
I believe in all gods cause I’m a rebel
That’s the spirit! What fun you must have imagining them all fighting about who’s real…
Actually I find it deeply depressing. Everyone used to think like me, but then Abrahamic monotheism came along and introduced this stupid pointless fight over what’s real and ended up leading to hundreds of pointless genocides of indigenous cultures during the age of colonisation. In my book anyone who carries on this pointless tradition of claiming everyone else’s gods aren’t real is a dick.
