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Yup. That’s the thing that upset them.
What is dead may never die.
Within this context, netflixes policy of unceremoniously killing shows is probably keeping people alive.
Word
didn’t that one guild (web series) character come back from their dream dimension for got?
In another way, GoT may have given them the gift of looking forward to a legit ending.
Sweet relief
In the wise words of Lindsay Ellis: “The ending being bad was foreshadowed by other things being bad.”
Lindsay summed up the theme of the final season so well in the thumbnail of one of her videos: “Dragon Lady Bad”.
It fell off the rails after season 3, you could argue everything after season 1 began a downward spiral.
My cousin and How I met your mother.
Poor guy. It’s been 8 years since I last watched that show and I’m still pissed.
I showed my wife an alt ending I had found that ends the story without the bad stuff and the dumb stuff
Pfft. I held out for Winds of Winter and A Dream Of Spring…I might be immortal as long as George RR Martin keeps on aiming for perfect being the enemy of the good enough, lol.
You’re only as immortal as GRRM himself. Have you tried Brandon Sanderson? His work isn’t nearly as gritty as Martin’s, but his world building is top-notch, and he, um, actually writes.
Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll investigate.
+1 for Sanderson. Just leave The stormlight archives for last because it’s an ongoing series and might take a while to finish. He has plenty of other good material, though.
Another recommendation is Joe Abercrombie. His First Law series scratched the ASOIAF itch for me as is is similarly gritty. The full series is 2 trilogies with 3 “stand alone” novels inbetween them, and a book of short stories.
Also Preston Jacobs on YouTube is working on a collaborative alternative Winds of Winter. I really enjoyed their Alayne chapter.
Did they die disappointed, or perhaps die of disappointment?
The terminally-ill people died of their illness, disappointed.
Some of the non-terminally-ill people got terminally ill, whether from or with the disappointment is yet to be determined.
“Why do you think I came all this way?”
*dies*
i never quite got what was so bad about the ending. i heard for years how shit it ended and i waited for the show to become shit and i waited so long that the final episode finished and i was still waiting for the shit
How could you miss it? At some point way before the end, the characters behave strangely, the dialog is crap and the actions are ridiculous. Then the end comes and you realize that nothing made any sense.
i muat have accidentally skipped those episodes then, because i really dont remember crap dialogue or ridiculous actions
It was so bad that the writers thought they could coast on the hit show and easily find work afterwards.
Producers noticed, and the writers couldn’t find work. It’s well known that they wrote complete garbage, even they hinted at not caring by the end.
How about Bran becoming king? Or winterfell seceding from the seven kingdoms without backlash from the other six?
whats wrong with those? the series ends before we see any backlash to any decision made and how is the 3 eyed raven becoming king such a bad thing?
Honestly, /r/freefolk really have a nice list.
The quality of writing tanked.
Multiple story threads from all the way back to season one went literally no where (like the patterns), Arya and the Faceless Ones. So many characters who just blinked out of existence because D&D forgot they existed and they didn’t directly server the plot (like literally everyone following Bran around for so many seasons).
Characters started not acting like themselves. Daenerys went from the savior of the people to mad queen… a roll that better fir Cersei, in a blink of an eye because of “bells”. Cersei nukes a chunk of the cities. Daenerys earned the title ‘Queen of Meereen’ from her campaign in Slaver’s Bay. Bran was shown to be the villain and it’s literally never addressed. He has wild powers and doesn’t use it. Seems to go from an innocent child on a wild adventure to positioning himself as king… instead of anyone else that would have made sense. “Who has a better story”… FFS, EVERYONE. And D & D seemed to forget the “Mad King” was saying “Burn them all” because Bran, yet again, fucked with someones head.
D & D forgot where Westeros was… Also forgot about the Iron Fleet
Cersei dies by brick to the head… (just more pointing out the lame writing). Contrast that with like, Eddard’s execution.
Just go to /r/Freefolk… Season 7 and 8 were shit. Because D & D wanted to abandon GoT to go do Star Wars. HBO had more money for them, told them they could do more seasons. Naw, last 2 they phoned it in with 2 “seasons” there were the length of 1 and the quality of the aftermath of a night out of drunk taco bell binge eating…
daenarys was going to be the mad queen from episode 1, so that specific complaint has no ground because you can see the foreshadowing all over the series. honestly, think of all the times daenarys had to be talked out of mass slaughtering
Yeah, that’s actually one point where I think the books were a bit weak. To me, she already was the mad Queen. How many people were slaughtered at her command in the books? If John Snow had slaughtered whole cities because they wouldn’t bend the knee, we could be expected to say some mean things about him.
I disagree. Now I’ve never read the books, I only know the TV show. She took out slavers, oppressors, just generally people that would be the villain archetype and there was never some big reveal that actually anyone she was taking down wasn’t just that. By that same logic, my great grandfather is a bad guy because he helped take down Nazi’s in WWII, a group most would agree, were the bad guys.
She flipped at a sound of a bell against unarmed, innocent citizens who didn’t even know who she was.
But by all means, I’m down to watch Episode 1 again, what scene exactly foreshadows her going genocidal?
dude she married into khal drogo and had things gone well her and the dothraki would be raping and pillaging all of westeros
she also has to be talked out of slaughtering all her enemies, something that ramsay bolton actually does (doesnt work out well for him)
id have to watch episode 1 again to see what the foreshadowing was, or if i was wrong and it happens in a different episode
also your grandfather analogy is nowhere near the same as for daenarys, your grandfather was not conquering the countries occupied by nazis and personally burning everyone down, before eventually moving on to the soviet union because stalin executed his best friend. that did not happen. rewatch the series in the eyes of dany was always the mad queen, and youll find you were justifying her most implusove and abhorrant behaviors for all of the show
The marriage to Drogo was an arranged marriage, to help Viserys get the crown.
There’s a difference between who traditionally were her enemies and Ramsay’s enemies… And it’s medieval times. Again, she really only had it out for oppressors. She went through many areas w/o slaughtering everyone.
The whole mad queen, which might be foreshadowed in the books, was not in the show. The Mad King, the thing everyone pointed too, was caused by Bran. The “Mad King” was just fine. Just like Hodor was just fine until Bran came along. But because he never is like “oh hey guys, yeah, turns out the mad king saying “burn them all” was actually my fault” so the myth/legend around it always going to happen due to “reason”, at least in the show, falls apart. From my understanding, the books do foreshadow more of Daenerys’s madness and its possible edits from D&D end up casting her in a very different light. Which just echo’s how shit D&D were/are.
mad queen was foreshadowed in the show, i just told you where and when and how to see it
Alright, you’re just wanting to be stubborn. You literally didn’t say when and where, just vaguely “the show”. I was sincere of you knew when and where I’d watch it again, but you couldn’t cite anything specific.
And then there was Jimmy Carter.
My guy was so disappointed he died. Rip
“OK. I’m ready now.” ×.×
I would have said that at s8e2
After episode 4 I would have squeezed my IV shut myself
s8e2 was one of the best episodes of the series. I don’t know how the same team could make that episode and the rest of the season.
Though I’ll give the finale props for the scene with Breinne writing down Jamie’s accomplishments. That was an excellent moment in an otherwise bad ending.
Its Been a while but s8e2 was the dark episode where it was just blackness with some moving shadows and light points, right? I was in a dark room, at night, with my TV at brightness 100 and I could still not make out wtf was going on.
Then after a modified (super charged gamma and brightness) i could see what happened and it was even worse. The tactics used were so mind-blowingly dumb that a 5 year old must have thought them up
In any case, bold claim to make that ANY espisode in s8 was better than any other episode in the entire show
That was episode 3. Episode 2 was the one that took place the night before and was basically a gathering of all these characters from 8 years of television who had never been together interacting the night before a battle.
Makes me think of the story Steven King told about getting a letter from a fan, sometime around book 5, explaining that she was over 90 and begging him to tell her how it ended, because she didn’t know if she’d live long enough for him to finish the series. He had to decline, explaining that he simply didn’t know yet, and wouldn’t know until he wrote the last page.
It’s oddly heartbreaking, as she probably didn’t; it took him 22 years to complete the series, all told, and 6 or 7 years from her letter to the culmination of the story.
Anyway, your thought reminded me of that.
It could have been better, but I was OK with it. I didn’t hate it like many people did; I just thought it could have been better.
OP is referencing the Dark Tower series for those who didn’t know.
Thank you.
Yeah, thanks. I meant to reference it.
Which, while they are quite good, they feel like the least “Stephen King” of his novels, even the bachman books.
It’s because they’re not horror, and SK is known best for his horror. I do think he’d said, at one point, that TDT was the most meaningful series to him, and the fact that it forms an umbrella reality encompassing all of his other stories - sometimes featuring characters from his other novels, is significant.
That said, I’m not a King fan; I don’t much care for horror, so his money making genre isn’t very compelling for me. But I did get super-into The Dark Tower. It’s up there among my favorite works, despite the ending.
I read the first book and had absolutely no fucking clue what was happening. Do they get better? I feel like I needed to be doing cocaine at the time.
I enjoyed them but as I recall it stays weird. I’m into that, though. My favorites are mostly pretty weird.
I like weird! Mind sharing your favorites?
My favorites for fiction would be Neal Stephenson,Roger Zelazny, Fritz Leiber, Ursula Le Guin, Stephen R. Donaldson, Charles Bukowski, Iain Banks, Frederick Pohl, Glen Cook, Jim Butcher
Ups and downs; like I said, written over a dozen years, the styles vary, and there’s some consensus that there are a couple which are “the best,” and a couple which aren’t. However, if you didn’t like the first, it’s probably fair to say you probably wouldn’t much care for the rest.
The first one is mostly vibes. There’s not a ton of good story meat in it, and it’s pretty short. Book 2 really gets going though, and book 3 is just wild. Once you get to Wolves of the Calla, though, it’s really gonna test your patience.
It can’t hurt. The author certainly was.
