• atro_city
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    26 months ago

    Amazing how they are revising history. So was Hitler good or bad? I thought they are staunchly against communism?

    Edit: wait, so they are saying Hitler was bad because he was a communist and AfD is conservative and against communism? Incredible.

  • BlackLaZoR
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    Talk about misinformation: Wired purposefully didn’t cite actual statement which was: “The biggest success after that terrible era in our history was to label Adolf Hitler as right and conservative. He was exactly the opposite. He wasn’t a conservative. He wasn’t a libertarian. He was a communist socialist guy,”

    With the context it reads more like communist-like person, not literal communist.

    But the context be damned, we hate Elon and Wired confirms our bias so we eat misinformation like it’s a gospel written by God himself

    • palordrolap
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      You’re overreacting too far the other way. Sure they’re not saying he was a duck, they’re saying he was a goose, but for many practical purposes, those two things are the same.

      Furthermore, they said what they said in the way that they said it to foment precisely this sort of confusion (or because they’re equally confused. Take your pick.). Did they go on to explicitly say “not an actual communist, but a bit like one”?

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    Is this the whole “Nazis were socialists because it’s in the name” thing again? The far right love to pull this point out, ignoring the fact that as soon as he had power, Hitler had anyone remotely socialist in the Nazi party murdered so he could get on with the fascism. The name “National Socialist” was a trick to get people on board. Anyway, it figures that Musk thinks Hitler was too left wing, since Musk thinks the whole universe is too left wing. And it’s characteristic of Musk that being to the right of Hitler doesn’t even give him pause.

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      The name “National Socialist” was a trick to get people on board.

      Sort of. Hitler didn’t found the party, he joined it as a mole in order to spy on it for the military. He ended up doing a lot more than most moles, eventually taking it over and expelling the more socialist (though still racist) founders.

      Hitler hated socialists and tried to change the name as soon as he took over, but was convinced to keep the name because it had become a popular brand.

        • @[email protected]
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          I don’t believe Syria ever styled itself “Democratic”. But the Syrian Republic was certainly a republic.

          For that matter, so was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

          A republic is simply a nation with no monarch. If you don’t believe me ask any Canadian, as they are constantly debating whether to officially leave the British crown and become a republic.

          • @[email protected]
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            16 months ago

            Not as a title, but if i recall correctly, the first first article of the old constitution states that the Syrian Arab Republic is a Democracy. Also for what it’s worth, the Baath party was also officially “socialist”.

            The lack of a monarchy isn’t enough to qualify as a republic, the people need to also hold some sort of power.

            • @[email protected]
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              16 months ago

              Being a republic has nothing to do with whether ordinary people hold power. For example in Plato’s Republic, power was exclusively held by philosophers because ordinary people were unwise and could not be trusted.

          • @[email protected]
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            36 months ago

            Yea, the name is originally in latin res publica, meaning “public matter”. In opposition to a kingdom that is the private domain of a single person.

    • Amon
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      26 months ago

      It’s like defining a sane leader by looking at Trump

  • @[email protected]
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    26 months ago

    Not like it really matters. A lot of self proclaimed communists on the fediverse actively supported Trump, such as ML and Hexbear.

    If nobody agrees what or who communism is then it gets used to describe anything and everything.

  • acargitz
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    576 months ago

    Breaking: self proclaimed genius is, in fact, an idiot.

    • Bizzle
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      96 months ago

      Didn’t his own dad say he was… the R word?

      • skulblaka
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        106 months ago

        To be fair his dad’s opinion isn’t one that I respect.

        But yes. The man has more money than God and basically his entire family has completely disowned him, with the exception of the baby he carries around as body armor because he isn’t old enough to know what that is yet.

        For anyone else in the world I would hope that would be something of a wake up call.

  • poo
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    136 months ago

    You Americans really need to do something about this clown coughluigicough

  • @[email protected]
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    196 months ago

    The problem isn’t the Elon and co say this. It’s the middle ground people who, for the most part, are reasonable but have little education about politics, and don’t want to participate beyond soundbites.

    In this case, the phrase works on two levels.

    Most of these people would admit Hitler was bad. So, this reaffirms the statement Communism is bad. Even if they don’t know what Communism is.

    For others, Communism is bad. This allows them to hear “We’re not like Hitler” about Elon and Co. They have no idea how bad Elon and Co may be, but at least their not commie pinkos.

    The real genius of capitalists has been to persuade the electorate that there are no viable alternatives to capitalism.