“If”
For real, the “if” in that sentence could reasonably win an Olympic powerlifting competition
I was saying death to Windows.Microsoft wants all future apps to go through their store. Basically like Apple does in Mac [ appears you can ]. I do believe this is the future for Windows apps. Once that happens, Valve running on Windows will be second fiddle. Valve’s only choice is to migrate to another OS or end up like Mozilla.
They’ll never be able to force that.
It would instantly break compatibility with >99% of windows software.
They are trying with Windows S but i don’t think it has much of a market.
Mac user here. I never use the App Store.
I recently thought I had to use it, dug up a 15 year old account, because some hardware utility for a mobile Brother printer was only available from the store. After installing the tool it turns out it didn’t even have the function I needed (firmware update of the printer).
That was annoying. And merely having the account signed in also prevented our IT support department from copying my user folder over to the new laptop properly, so we had to do it twice.
Now I’m happily back to not having apple id signed in. (Well… as happy as I can be while still having to use macOS)
Thought Mac store was required. Guess not.
Holy misinformation Batman! You don’t have to use the App store for anything on MacOS. Matter of fact many popular apps are not found in the AppStore at all.
iPhone and iPad may be walled gardens but I’ll go out on a limb here and say that MacOS is actually more open than Windows or at the very least it’s as open.
I’ve finally banished Windows to a virtual machine, and am gearing up to fistfight Easy:
Anti-cheatRootkit AKA Fucking piece of shit that does precisely fuck-all to stop cheating despite having access to kernel space in order to get Sea of Thieves working on my virtual machine.Lemme know if you figure out how to get that working
Update: It’s now working.
Oh nice, congrats! Could you share info about it? That’s been my biggest barrier to dropping Windows as a gamer with many games that I enjoy using root access anti cheats.
I followed a tutorial meant to bypass Easy: Anticheat for VRchat. I manually defined the hardware names and versions of some of my computer’s components in KVM’s XML code. It wasn’t very difficult and only took about 30 minutes in total, setting up GPU passthrough was difficult though.
Thanks so much for the info!
its honest a boon for gamers as microsoft now actually has to spend more effort making windows betters for gamers then spending all of its effort on windows for arm and AI. one of the things windows as an OS lacks is that the handheld experience is actually trash, and the OS is a resource hog for a handheld device
Competition is always great. To be fair, Windows wasn’t really designed with a handheld game console in mind as its target distribution platform. SteamOS, at least its current version, was designed for that exact purpose. Would definitely welcome a more lightweight Windows to come from this though, not just for handhelds but just regular desktops too.
They tried to make the handheld experience better in windows 8… 🤣
imo the metro take of windows 8 wasn’t the wrong approach for its intended market(tablets) it’s just forcing it on desktop/laptop users as well as a boneheaded decision.
They need to stop forcing windows changes for ALL users, including to the users that can’t use said features properly (as it was designed with touch screens in mind, and not everyone had touchscreens). Same idea with the more recent stuff involving Recall. not everyone has AI capable pcs, so its dumb to include the change to all users that will exist on the main branch of the OS, and would apply down the line to windows handhelds as well, who will likely not need recall as a feature as its using up resources. And im not like a person whose like fully Anti AI either, it just has its specific userbase that may need it, and there are others (like with a windows handheld case) that should not have it at all, as it is likely a detriment to battery if enabled by default.
That’s what I was implying with the elipses, I just couldn’t be bothered writing all that 😅
Honestly the metro design language didn’t look particularly attractive for touch screens either. I knew someone with a Nokia Windows Phone, the interface seemed… clunky. Quirky but not in the right ways.
It has to cater to mice and fingers, and so ends up with the lowest common denominator. Can’t have information density because of the butter fingers, can’t have neat swiping gestures because of the mice and especially trackpads. So, big squares and huge buttons, repeat ad nauseum. Like a DUPLO set.
Surely the UI/UX designers and Microsoft knew this, but I guess Ballmer had his way. Meanwhile Valve didn’t have to contend with cranky executives, so they just slapped Big Picture on top of KDE and let use decide when to switch between console mode and desktop mode.
Microsoft keeps doing it, and I don’t expect they’ll do anything different this time. They’ll shove handheld UI into work laptops and piss off a ton of people, and then 5 years down the line they’ll tear out a lot of work that they did and leave behind some remnant bloat
That’s cheeky.
good experience on Windows
Windows 7 was the last time I had that experience lol
98 Good
ME Bad
XP Good
Vista Bad
7 Good
8 Bad
10 Good
11 Bad
Let me know when 12 is out I guess…
Windows 365 is next
Ohhh, I can’t wait to pay a sub for my OS… that I will have no control over
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Remember when windows said 10 would be the last version of windows, and they’d just keep sending updates from then on? That lie didn’t last long…
And they’re EoLing it this coming October! Can’t they wait until 12 at least to do that? I can’t remember the last time the end of life came before two versions had gone by. Wtf!
Pepperidge farm remembers
They’re desperate to get people on to 11.
Can’t ignore 2000! That was one of the best!
It really was. Super stable and no bullshit. Peak windows UI IMO.
As a computer os, it was great. Using it to play games not so much. I had quite a few that wouldn’t work with 2000.
Dunno bout 10 being good though. I can only stand it cuz i have Classic Shell
10 is tolerable at best. Still get annoying notifications about shit I haven’t asked for and nag screens about how my PC isn’t compatible with 11 and what I need to do to update. Also the settings menu is dogshit compared to 7.
If the number is odd, then it’ll be great.
Windows 11 is to Windows 10 what XP was to 2000. Stop it.
Not a perfect analogy, but it fits. 11 is literally 10 with a higher build number and a different shell. The same relation exists between 2000 and XP.
The problem is that the shell is what people interact with, and what they equate “Windows” with. Which is understandable and to some extent even correct.
I also think there’s a fair amount of memory bias. People complained about every new Windows version.
See that’s how you get people to like you more. Not whatever the hell social media CEOs keep doing.
They don’t care about being liked, they just want to prop up the oligarchy by controlling access to information.
Honestly almost everything works on my steam deck. The only things that don’t work are online only games with anti-cheat, and I barely ever touch those. I could possibly make the leap on my main pc to be fully steamos
Make the switch to Linux, by all means but I don’t think you should use SteamOS as a desktop OS.
Yet or ever
Ever. It’s not a desktop OS.
Darn, so you mean “We expect most SteamOS users to get SteamOS preinstalled on a Steam Machine” meaning handhelds?
Here I thought maybe they would go full fledged desktop OS 😞
I don’t think they mean necessarily handhelds but definitely console-like machines. Like the OG steam machines.
Thank you
Especially if SteamOS remains immutable when it lands, then I really won’t be able to suggest it except for situations like “my kids have a habit of blowing up their computers” or something.
I actually like immutable OSes exactly because most people do have a habit of blowing up their computers.
All I want is for people to make informed choices when picking an OS for a machine. An immutable OS has value in the right circumstances, but if you weren’t expecting that it would definitely be frustrating.
My kids play on my Steam Deck so I know all too well how useful it can be lol. I’ve done many Windows reinstallations in my time.
But have you tried to use one as a daily? Concept is great, but I wanted to erase kinoite from the face of the planet about 4 hous in.
Other than SteamOS on my SteamDeck, no but I was considering making the switch to Kinoite.
Maybe try vm first, make sure you want it.
Probably a good idea but I hate switching distros and generally try to avoid it until I break the one I’m using and then I go all in. I have a bunch of backups so it should be fine.
The way that’s worded implies that the only way it can hurt Windows is if Windows sucks. Subtle and true. Do better Microsoft. Or don’t. We don’t care, we’re just doing our own thing.
Killing windows would just be a little happy accident
SteamOS is about Valve not paying Microsoft a license fee. It’s not some egalitarian move by them but a cost saving. From a game dev’s perspective it’s additional cost and effort to port a game, or hope it runs under emulation with Proton.
I am surprised they haven’t used it for cloud gaming yet since that’s where the real cost savings kick in but I bet they’re still saving on each Steam Deck they sell without Windows on it.
That “If” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Really interested to see where SteamOS goes in the future.
Windows: So you’re saying there’s a chance
It’s not about killing windows… but if it were to have an accident, y’know… I’m just sayin’…
