Maryland. I’m in. It’s closer than you think.
Speaking at a press conference last week in Ottawa, May called out the president-elect, saying, "Hey, Donald, have we got a deal for you? You think we want to be the 51st state huh? But maybe California would like to be the 11th province. How about it? California? Oregon? Washington?
I live in California and I’d like this. But then the USA would never have a non-GOP president ever again and that’s against my conscience.
At some point it stops being a game of “save everyone”, and starts becoming “save as many as you can”.
Washington would fit right in. Western Washington is already a lot like British Columbia, and Eastern Washington is already a lot like Alberta.
Alberta, aka Hellberta, aka the Texas of Canada.
Oh come on, our power grid is not that bad.
No, but the right-wing mindset is.
News to me, same crazy people all over. But as Canada’s punching bag, feel free to take it out on Alberta.
I lived in Cowtown in 1979-82, before it was this bad. Kind of liked it then … not so much now.
I get the idea, but you have not lived here since 82. I have to travel a bit in the prairies and let me tell you a lot of Canada makes cowtown look like a progressive paradise. Is it worse now, yeah. Is it as bad as say a town in Manitoba or Saskatchewan? Nope, but we Canadians don’t like to think of our countries slide into right wing populism out side of Alberta.
The “United States” is done anyway, there’s no way, ironically, to make America great again.
If there was only a way
One of the Mario bros knows how
Hey, take illinois. Its connected via the great lakes, and we may be #12 in terms of GDP, about 50-60%% of goods travelling by rail or road through the US have to go through us.
The Canadian Pacific and Canadian National Railways are busy in the Chicago area.
Can we get a relocation care package for all of the reasonable people stuck in red state hell-holes!? I’d move to literally any blue state if I had the resources and reassurance it won’t be sucked into US federal far right bs. So done with this scam country.
Minnesota is basically already there
Calling Elizabeth May a lawmaker is the most credibility the federal Green party has ever gotten
Elizabeth May, you’re swell!
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Oregonian here. I am ready to pledge allegiance to the king any minute
I feel like Michigan is a bit too swingy for that, they went red again (by a small margin) last election. I would really like it tho, it would make visiting my in-laws feel a bit less daunting.
Governor and State Senate legislature are blue, just not the state house. Overall Michigan is pretty purple with a small majority left which I think blends well with Canada.
As a Washingtonian, I’m so fucking sold.
I think a lot of us in Washington and Oregon would be all for this. And we can leave the eastern sides out. Northern California is obviously welcome.
Northern California is obviously welcome.
Except for Silicon Valley, right? Or does Canada have better antitrust and worker’s rights regulations and enforcement too?
The Bay Area can be excised to form the new US charter city-state of Galt’s Gulch.
Galt’s Gulch
Sounds like a sexually transmitted disease that you can also get from reading too much Ayn Rand 😂
Workers rights are of provincial jurisdiction with some industries being under federal jurisdiction (like banks), so it would mostly be up to the new provinces.
Healthcare coverage is made mandatory by the federal side but is of provincial jurisdiction (so it’s not handled the same everywhere).
Trade NorCal for New England and it’s a deal.
Sorry. NorCal is part of our shared cultural region. We could probably accept New England in, though.
Same fucking here!
Minnesota welcomes Canada with the traditional poutine and tatortot hotdish border potluck
Please don’t leave us behind
Imagine the US losing the pacific coast?
They would never let it happen.
Do you remember that time Minnesota annexed the upper peninsula? Yeah crazy, but that means we get to be Canadian too
When was that? I’m a native Yooper and I never heard about MN annexing Da Yoop even as a joke.
What about New Mexico?
If the US can have Alaska, we can join Canada, right?Should join Mexico, change the name to Old Mexico
That would be ideal. But they didn’t offer
No… Tis a silly place
Yah… Twas afraid of that
Sorry if you’re stuck there in the Land of Entrapment… Really hope you find a way to escape!
Lots of people call it that. I rather like it here.
Well, best of luck to you
Yeah, right. If California joined they’d be subsidizing health care for the rest of Canada through transfer payments since every province would be considered a “have not province” compared to California.
This is like inviting your billionaire uncle to move in with you and also open a joint bank account.
Edit: just to put some numbers on my point, the GSP (gross state product) of California is $4 trillion, nearly twice that of the GDP of Canada which is $2.18 trillion. Canada’s economy would effectively triple in size by bringing in California.
Yes subsidized healthcare is the goal.
Mostly ours is single payer, except for prescriptions, etc.
Although it has been moving further towards private because of the right-wing provincial governments (who control healthcare spending).
So?
Do you understand the goal of transfer payments? Because from what you just said you already don’t understand how it works.
Better balance all that by including New England. In Massachusetts, we’re already closest to universal healthcare
Our population would double too
And we wouldn’t have to cross the border to fight wildfires anymore!
We already don’t have to. Plenty of wildfires happen here too.
chonglibloodsport has forgotten how much smoke and burning embers we sent America last year.
She’s trolling trump. It’s not a serious proposition.
One can still fantasize about a brighter future, can they?
Yes, by all means. Considering how dismal it’s about to be in the states, the only ones that would revile you for imaging a brighter future are mostly those who voted to make it darker.
Plus, while May is a parliamentarian, she is also the leader of a party of one elected person.
Which should have been three elected if Trudeau had kept his promise of electoral reform.
Isn’t this kinda already the case when you compare California to other states? In terms of subsidizing the rest of the country, not healthcare.
I wonder if Canada sending its water bombers so that California doesn’t get burnt to a crisp counts as a transfer payment.
Nah, that’s just being a good neighbour.
Canada has a massive program of equalization transfer payments where taxes collected in rich provinces go to subsidize poor ones. The US does not have anything like this. None of the state governments have their budgets subsidized by other states.
None of the state governments have their budgets subsidized by other states.
Maybe not directly, but… https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/donor-states
It’s federal taxes so it’s the federal government that’s subsidizing some provinces and not others to make their potential tax revenue per capita the same, the goal is to make sure those provinces aren’t left behind.
If the program didn’t exist Albertans would still pay those taxes, they would be used to pay for other Canada wide programs.
Bonus: Lil’PP signed on the the current calculation of transfer payments, it was put in place during the Harper years.
Here’s a nice compromise position - Canada becomes a republic; in exchange, the West Coast and the East Coast down to Maryland (or Virginia) join as unincorporated territories or whatever the Canuck equivalent is.
please save us from Y’All Qaeda
Canafornia, a Democracy with no need for an electorial college, and free of having the monarch on their money.
If anything was really done, I assume it’d be just opening up (+incentivizing) immigration. Skilled labor/health/money probably will still be huge barriers, so I think the most effect it could have would be brain drain.
It is the fact that the US is a republic that is the problem. If any US states join Canada they do it as a province of the federation.
I refuse to have anything to do with having a m*narch on my money 😤
I’m fine with being a province, but it’s republic or bust
That’s ok. You stay where you are and we’ll stay a federation.
That’s it, I support the Quebecois now! They’ll understand the value of a good guillotine, at least
That’s why all the billionaires are in such a hurry to get to space. Guillotines require gravity.
I’m French and I shall work on developing railgun mounted guillotine to work in space
Isn’t a guy on your money had a child from an underage slave or am I mistaking him with some other slave holding hero of the country?
Sorry bud. Maybe move to a state that Mexico picks up?
I remember seeing something similar in the W days.
I think each individual state should be able to choose whether they stay in the US or not. Every ten years, the citizens of the state voted. If you vote to leave, you can’t come back for ten years. It would take place at the same time as the census.
Yes, the one aspect of the civil war that I have never agreed with was that a stare can not choose to leave the Union. If a terratory can vote to join the Union, I see no reason why they couldn’t vote to leave it. On that note, I would also support the idea that the other states should have the right to vote out a state they no longer want in the Union.
Which state is the Weakest Link?
Based on statistics, easily Mississippi. But most obnoxious is easily Texas. Texas would be my first vote out.
Just ignoring Florida’s existence?
Just a few more years
Eh, I’d love to boot all the old confederate states, but picking off the worst first only helps the whole.
Seconded. If we oust Texas, we can regain control over the content in school textbooks.
People who want to flee can still be welcomed as refugees.
If we could trick Mexico into taking back Texas that would be ideal. But Mexico is way too smart to fall for that.
I am so fucking on board with this, lfg!
Mississippi? Alabama? Wyoming? One of those probably.
You’re right. Self determination is a right we all have.
Sooo, as a Canadian, I’m pretty sure I have the authority to speak for all of us, and as much as I’d love to have you all, I’d rather not tempt fate and accidentally start a war.
Also, Indiana, Idaho, South Dakota and Wyoming, you’re expressly not allowed in.
You’re not going to allow states that don’t border you but you’re okay with Montana? And I wouldn’t say North Dakota is a bastion of progressivism either.
Yeah, NoDak is pretty strong red hat territory. They wouldn’t be a good fit.
Pfft. Everyone knows nobody really lives in Montana. They just pretend they do on paper so they can incorporate LLC’s there and put license plates on their dirt bikes and quads. Montana’s entire population is actually in Kentucky and Florida.
Just think of all the moose you could farm in that space, or whatever it is the Canadians want to do with it.
I think Alabama is one where the feeling is mutual.
I wonder what Hawaii and Alaska would think.
As a Canadian, Hawaii really don’t feel Canadian. Would they be better off as their own thing?
I thought Alaska could join as a territory and not a province but then realized that Alaska has more population than the 3 territories combined and then it’s still over 6 times more.
Re-establish the Kingdom of Hawaii!
Since, you know, that was a sovereign government we had a hand in overthrowing
Well, we did name a popular but um controversial pizza after them.
Also, Indiana, Idaho, South Dakota and Wyoming, you’re expressly not allowed in.
There’s far too many MAGA hats in Montana and North Dakota for them to be welcomed either.
