I have gone to a local electronics store, Best Buy, several times in the last few years because I wanted something immediately only to be stopped at the last moment by a locked shelf and no one around to unlock it. What the fuck are you even supposed to do there? Scream and shout until someone arrives? Quietly stalk an employee until you find your moment to strike? I just fucking leave, I’ll wait for shipping.
I honestly wonder, is it illegal to simply unlock those things, if you have no intention of actually stealing from them? It’s not like they use particularly high security locks. You can probably buy some simple lock raking or cylinder lock tools.
Is it actually violating a law to unlock one of those cases if you don’t have any intention of actually stealing something?
lol that’s way too much effort to give your hard earned money to a shitty company
I avoid Best Buy like the plague, I can’t even remember the last time I went there, maybe 5 years ago? I went to buy a monitor and had to pass like 3 fucking security checks and a receipt checker.
The whole experience was so off putting, I just never went back.
The last thing I tried to buy at Best Buy they simply didn’t have in stock, despite their in store computer system and their web site insisting they had dozens of the damn things. Never mind getting someone to unlock the case; I couldn’t have bought it for any price no matter how badly I wanted it. I gave up. I haven’t been back since.
Microcenter is pretty much the only brick-and-mortar electronics/computers store left that’s worth a damn, which is convenient because they’re also pretty much the only one left, period. Too bad they have barely any locations compared to Best Buy.
A few years back bought something at Best buy and they asked if I needed a receipt or was I ok with just getting it emailed. I said I didn’t need a receipt. Then I was stopped at the door because I didn’t have a receipt, and they had to get the cash register person to vouch for me.
To their credit, for a gift card so I bought something there this past weekend and it was pretty much frictionless. Walked by the guy at the door with the product and no receipt or anything and didn’t signal at me.
Walmart near me on the other hand has an interesting strategy. If I am carrying stuff in a bag, no problem. But if I skipped the bag, they ask to see my receipt. So guess you just need a plastic Walmart bag to shoplift…
You actually don’t need to show them the receipt if you’ve already purchased the goods. It’s your property now and they can get fucked. I do it all the time.
I bought some Beats Solo Buds right after Christmas. I had a trip upcoming and couldn’t wait for shipping so I looked at Best Buy and they said my local store had them. After waiting 20min for them to not find the right model or colour I went across the street to Target and bought them there, which still took at too long.
I order everything usually and my trial back in brick and mortar revealed it’s only gotten worse now.
Technically it would be trespassing, since you’re entering an area you’re not authorized to enter, but no damages, assuming you don’t like break the lock or something.
You’re not likely to get sued for nominal damages (one dollar) for a technical trespass. They might ask you to leave. If you have a key and nobody is around, go for it. The keys are generic.
Is it actually violating a law to unlock one of those cases if you don’t have any intention of actually stealing something?
It probably is.
My state has a definition in its shoplifting statute that includes tampering with packaging, removing tags, or defeating security devices even if the product does not leave the store. I’m sure others do as well. Technically they could probably bust you even if the very next thing you did was take the thing to the checkout and pay for it. Not worth it, in my opinion. Just buy from someone who doesn’t pull that shit and let that good old fashioned Free Market Economy these chucklefucks love so much take care of it.
You can actually just buy whatever keys you need online. When I worked in retail it was a major issue. Groups of thieves would come in and hand off the key to multiple people so each could go grab stuff from different areas.
A simple solution would be a buzzer system that calls an employee to your aisle. But if an employee has the option of meeting shelf stocking or some other target, or spending time helping a customer, which isn’t as easily tracked and doesn’t look as good on a chart when bosses look at it, which do you think that they’ll choose?
My local petrol station has the same person stocking shelves as serving customers a lot of the time, it creates a right nightmare situation.
My walmart has buzzers but they ignore them.
Took me 25 minutes to buy a $4 brake light bulb at wal mart one night. After tracking down an employee to track down another employee to meet me by the glass door. I’ll never buy car bulbs there again. That portion of store is dead to me.
I went looking for a new cabin air filter since I had a gift card. The auto employee had literally no clue what I was talking about and just pointed at the wall of air filters with a shrug. Five seconds in an O’Reilly and I was on the way home
Same thing for me with a $10 headlight. Last time I needed one they weren’t locked up, so that was an unpleasant discovery. The employee was super busy with other customers, so I don’t blame him one bit.
I went to a Walgreens to buy nail clippers since I was nearby and had a bad hangnail.
Had to push a red button to wait for an employee to unlock the cabinet. After 10 minutes, I ran to find a random employee who was stocking and they got me what I needed.
That was the first and last time I ever went to Walgreens.
Fun fact, next time you need something like that on the road just find a Dollar General. There’s one approximately every nine feet (they’re the retailer with the most locations in the US, bar none) and Dollar General don’t give a fuck, therefore nothing is locked up there. Some stuff is behind the checkout counter, but that’s all. Dollar General also doesn’t care about you stealing the nail clippers, nor paying any employees to be present, nor much of anything else as far as I can tell.
Dollar stores are randomly over priced and they manage to treat their employees worse than Walmart.
However, Walmart does treat their customers worse than any retail I can think of which is really weird.
While that is generally true, I will point out that nobody marks shit up to quite the insane degree as the chain drug stores like Walgreens and CVS. If the choice is between a Walgreens and a Dollar General, DG will be cheaper by a country (possibly literal) mile because their markup is is only 500% and not 1000%.
I dunno, let’s pick a random “need it now” commodity item out of a hat. This 4 pack box of light bulbs, $15 at Walgreens and $6.75 at DG despite being in the wrong aspect ratio. A house brand nail clipper to use OP’s example, $2.49 at Walgreens and locked in a case, $1 and just hanging on a peg at DG. Etc., etc.
DG’s main problem is that they chronically and deliberately understaff their stores. It’s literally part of their official management strategy. It also is one of the factors that makes them, perhaps surprisingly, one of the most robbed retail locations in the country.
Oh, most definitely.
I don’t know why anyone would use Walgreens/CVS as their go to for any of the overpriced items in their store. The are both to medication as gas is to the convience stores.
Everything is overpriced but they makes sales because of the convience of picking things up with a prescription.
That’s like years ago, like 2016, I went to Walmart for the last time. They closed all the self checkout lanes, but I guess forgot to rehire cashiers. So I waited 30 minutes in line on a random weekday to buy one 50ft extension cord.
In the Soviet Union, the shopper experience wasn’t vastly different. You would stand in different lines to select, pay and collect items, so it was a good idea to bring a chair and a book with you.
Wal Marts in Denver have been doing this a lot lately.
And nearly all of the stores and restaurants that I visited while in Denver locked their restrooms and you had to either get a key or a code to enter them. I’m guessing it is related to so called anti theft measures.
I had a similar story. 2019 I went to the Walmart closest to where I live now and they had closed all the registers, and most of the self checks. I waited so long. I have a ton of stores close to me now so I was only going there on recommendation of a friend. “But they’re so cheap!”
Not if your time has value.
Aldi’s. No bullshit, good prices
Yeah most of them are like this. That’s why it’s the one place where self checkout was actually an improvement. Because they never had anyone at the fucking registers before that anyway. I try to never go there but at least now I don’t have to wait an eternity if I have to go there.
I haven’t set foot in a Walmart since Dec 2014 and I don’t miss it at all. My ex used to order groceries from there but now I get Kroger delivery. Weirdly, we don’t even have a Kroger within 150miles but they’re cheaper and faster.
Yeah, I end up still using their pharmacy because the pharmacist is just a great guy and he takes care of people. But the rest of the store can fuck right off.
If you have good insurance you might not notice this, but drug prices at Walgreens and CVS are significantly more expensive than many other pharmacies, like Walmart, Costco, or HEB. Compare prices on Goodrx.com and see
Truth.
More and more supermarkets are opening up pharmacies to compete. And in my town, private practices are now starting to also have a pharmacy.
I’m not supporting Walmart though.
I assume their entire business model is “Hope the boomers don’t notice we jacked the price up significantly.”
I’ve tried asking for help, but the person I find doesn’t work in that department and the assigned person doesn’t show up for like 30 minutes. It’s faster to drive across town to the store that doesn’t have my item behind glass.
Now do one about the overworked pharmacists
I wish the pharmacy was still owned by the pharmacist
I wish doctors’ practices were still owned by doctors.
Can you imagine? That would be awesome. I could pay directly to the person providing me a service instead of dealing with all the middle men
They have played us all for absolute fools
My mom owned her own practice, you still have to deal with insurance. Unless you’re so wealthy you can pay cash, you have deal with insurance. Even if they pay her less then the cost of the procedure.
The store in my neighborhood thought it wise to lock up the fancy Italian coffee beans. I’m absolutely sure it will not stem theft and will absolutely decrease sales. The bags are big - these are the 1kg bags - so I’m fairly sure most of the theft that is happening is internal anyway.
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of what they assume is shoplifting is actually internal. That’s going to happen if companies don’t pay their employees enough to cover food and rent.
Ah I hadn’t thought about that but that’s a good point
Didn’t we finally realize that the whole “shoplifting epidemic” was all bullshit to cover up inept corprate management?
Yes. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shoplifting-data.html
They overbuilt because if a competitor opened a store, they’d open on right next to it…
That strategy was never going to be profitable, they were trying to run competitors out of business.
Most of those stores were going. To close for one reason or another, the growth wasn’t sustainable but it made stock prices go up and then they had to invent a reason to close store that would keep stock prices high.
Case in point, my Nephew once worked for Target in what used to be their flagship store in the area. Several years ago they opened a new flagship store literally 2.9 miles up the road. As the crow flies I think it’s closer to 1.5. This wasn’t a move. They left both stores open. They’re still both open to this day.
Management immediately started bitching at all the low level employees that they weren’t “hitting numbers” anymore as if the cashiers or stockers had anything to do with this. Uh, dickhead, you cannibalized your own business because now 100% of the people who live in the direction of the new store aren’t going to drive right past it to come here; they’re going to go to the new store instead. You didn’t make the pie any bigger, all you did was take the same pie and slice it in half.
I don’t know how many millions of dollars it cost them to build, stock, and staff that new store for no goddamn reason whatsoever.
Yeah at some point the metric people used to value a stock was Square footage space, but that rule broke a long time ago.
ny times links are cancer.
I can’t read what that article says, I don’t pay for news.
Well yeah… if you’ve got everything locked up you need to find one of the few staff left who is under far too much pressure to deal with customers.
It’s the fucking worst. Say I need a toothbrush, new mascara, and cough syrup. That’s gonna be at least 10 minutes waiting for the one overworked staff member to unlock the case at each of them.
A toothbrush? In the U.K. they’re like 2 quid …we’re actually gonna end up with people using Amazon for their shop for everything. It won’t end up with your weekly shopping trip being from the same place either.
They’re super cheap here too, but Walgreens at almost every location I’ve been to locks up absolutely everything
To be fair Walgreens happily marks a $1 brush up to $5
Preventing people from stealing toothbrushes is just evil. Nobody chooses to be in a situation where they even think about stealing a freaking toothbrush.
To be fair ….i live in a small town. I don’t tend to go other places and buy tooth brushes, but at the same time only expensive items are locked up.
Deodorant is the thing here
Also for some reason laundry detergent? Like, just get purex and be done with it, like $10 for a year supply.
Name brand laundry detergent has a decent resale price on the street. Tide was the first thing I noticed getting locked up at Family Dollar back in the 10s.
From what I understand laundry detergent (especially Tide) is used as a black market currency because the value is relatively stable and everyone needs it eventually.
This is more urban legend that fun fact.
I read a few years ago that was because Tide was fairly high end as far as laundry detergents go.
That was pre-Tide pods too, so those must be like Louis Vuitton type shit these days.
I found a wholesaler that sells a 5gal bucket of laundry detergent for $45, lasts probably 6 months.
We’re a small household with minimal laundry so 5 gallons is more like a 10 year supply for us… I’m here for it : D
Must not have spread here yet. Last week i bought DayQuil, cough drops, pseudoephedrine. Nothing was locked up. The pseudoephedrine was behind the pharmacy counter
Just recently, my wife wanted an eyebrow pencil, so we popped into a drugstore. All the makeup stuff was behind locked cabinets. We just turned around and went to a different store.
It seems like a particularly bad idea for anything that people might want to look at different versions of. If I wanted AA batteries that were locked, I might be okay saying, “Hey, can you grab me the batteries?” But for something that I want to look through the options, I’m not going to do that with the employee standing there tapping their foot.
Reminds me of getting the guy to unlock the video game and he hands me the game thinking we are gonna go ring it up, and I am just standing reading the back of the case, only to put it back and ask for another one.
Just ends up being me and Walmart bro shopping for a game together
That’s funny, and good on you for not being intimidated into being rushed or leaving. If they want to lock the stuff up, they should deal with the impact.
It’s a tremendous pain the ass buying vegetarian vitamins because I need to see the ingredients… On the back of the box, behind a locked door.
Sometimes the keywarden just waits there while I read through a bunch of them.
I go bonkers trying to pick what version of a tool I want at home Depot, you usually can’t even pick them up anymore, they’re hard bolted to the display.
Yeah, some things I don’t buy online because I want to hold it in my hand before I decide. Makes it tough when they’re locked up or bolted down.
Sounds like his job should be converted to an AI bot. This fucker makes how much money, and didn’t identify any of the problems that regular people in this thread easily identified? Turn his role into AI. Save the share holders his salary.
I can make thr same dumbass decisions for half the price.
That’s what happens when you make so much money you no longer remember what it’s like to shop for necessities.
Fun thing is that you could probably make an AI say they need more locking or none at all. There’s coherent words toward either strategy, and LLMs only care about making coherent words. So I guess just like most CEOs…
LLMs are not the only form of AI. They’re just the one that’s most visible to the public right now
But they are the only sort that would be applicable to the suggestion of “replace CEO with AI” today.
They quite literally would not be.
It was never about “theft.” That hyped “theft” up as a cover to hide their own inept management.
Idk, theft was pretty rampant at some of my local stores, not quite as bad lately. I’ve personally witnessed a few people steal from my local grocery store in the last year or two. My local Home Depot was even worse until their security guard shot a guy and they rearranged the checkout lanes. Now in order to go through the exit you have to go through a long corridor of self checkout lanes with several employees. And I’d probably be less likely to rob a place if I’d heard their security guard shot a guy.
Around here that just means they’d shoot the security guy first. That’s why so few banks have visible armed security anymore.
The current SOP is to just let the perps take whatever, don’t offer any resistance, and let the cops track them down, and make an insurance claim. And optionally slip a dye pack in the proverbial money bag. If you’re a bank or a big enough business the cops will be falling all over themselves to chase the robbers on your behalf. If you’re an independent business owner… probably not so much.
Our local Walmart has two (2) in-uniform and on the clock state policemen posted there at all times. On our dime – that is, the taxpayers. Meanwhile in the 'hood you can’t even get the cops to show up for a shooting in less than four hours.
It’s definitely about theft. Hard to manage that away.
Walmarts are doing this with things like cosmetics in some areas too, though at least in the one I frequent they have a checkout counter and clerk in the immediate vicinity. Not sure it won’t still frustrate the honest people who have lots of other options.
I have the same reaction whenever i find what i need… Locked away…
I leave
The one employee in the entire store is busy at checkout. I’m just gonna order it on Amazon.
Yeah, “I’ll just Amazon it” is becoming a more common phrase. It’s cheap. The delivery is surprisingly fast.
Downside is you’re making one of our wealthiest oligarchs even more powerful.
And, of course, it could be stolen off your doorstep before you can even get to it.
Don’t forget how it’s becoming more and more likely you’ll just get a counterfeit.
Ehh, I mean if you were gonna buy it from CVS/Walgreen’s, they aren’t exactly an altruistic alternative…
I agree, best to avoid the wealthy oligarchs, but sometimes you need medicated allergy eye drops and Bob’s Corner Store doesn’t have them.
Totally agree. I’m no saint. I’ve purchased from Amazon. But the last election showed us that Bezos is very much not our friend. I’ll be damned if I give that leech another Amazon Prime subscription.
I just cut shit off the racks or tear the packaging. If it’s in a cage I’m going somewhere else.
Same and I don’t even shoplift. I feel like interacting with a human should not be required in order to go shopping. I just want to grab my stuff in peace, check it out myself, and go.
Same reason why I ignore the receipt checkers. I just walk on by. Unless you’re at Costco, they’re not going to stop you.
…to steal it?
The people who check receipts to make sure you’ve paid for everything you are removing from the store. OP is saying that the Costco people are hard core, but that other stores’ receipt checkers aren’t going to try to stop you, which makes those places much more hassle free to just shop and go after you’ve paid for your purchases.
Costco and Sam’s require a membership and letting them check your receipt and stuff is part of the terms of your membership. They could, in theory, take civil legal action against you, in reality, they’ll review video and cancel your membership and refuse to let you purchase in the future. Walmart, Target, Lowes, etc, don’t require a membership. Worst they can do is trespass you from the property.
I’ve only had Walmart ask. I say, “No, thank you.” and keep walking. No problems so far.
The local Walmart hired off duty cops and the law says you can just walk out but they have cop attitudes and will fuck with you over anything because of their stupid power trip.
When asked for an inventory of items stolen, the CEO said “it’s still printing.”
Meanwhile, my local Walmart is expanding their caged goods selection and they have been removing call buttons.
Its time to invest in vending machines.
If theft is this bad, these stores should just switch back to the traditional model used by pharmacies and general stores. Consider this photo of a traditional pharmacy:
Or this old general store:
This is what these businesses used to look like. In traditional pharmacies and general stores, most goods were kept behind counters or at the very least within direct view of those behind counters. A traditional dry good store might literally just be a big counter in the front with a huge warehouse in the back. You show up with a list of goods you want, and the clerk would run into the back and grab everything you wanted.
The model of a store with aisles that customers wander through is not the historical norm. As industrialization improved, the relative costs of goods lowered, while the relative cost of labor increased. So it made sense for stores to accept a higher level of theft and shopliting by offloading the item-picking process to their customers. They got the customers to do a lot of the work for them, but in exchange they accepted a higher level of theft.
Now they’re trying to have things both ways. They still want customers to do all the work of picking out their purchases from the shelves, but they’ve decided they don’t like the level of shoplifting that level of low labor cost business inevitably produces. They want the customers to do most of the labor of clerks, but they don’t want to accept the level of theft that inevitably produces.
Like cannabis dispensaries…
Yup. For whatever reason (likely regulations), most dispensaries are set up a lot like traditional general stores. Everything behind the counter.
I think it’s a security thing. Add in the whole “all cash business” thing, and it’s no surprise that I see armed security inside sometimes.
In Germany, pharmacies look like that today.
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Despite all the effort spent prosecuting it, there’s virtually no concrete evidence that retail theft — organized or otherwise — is on the rise. Data on retail theft provided to law enforcement and lawmakers comes exclusively from corporate retailers, or organizations funded by them, and is not independently vetted. Last year, the National Retail Federation was forced to retract its claim that organized retail theft cost its members “nearly half” of the $94.5 billion in lost inventory in 2021. One researcher put the actual figure closer to 5%.
Just making shit up so they have something to point to when the investors wonder why number didn’t go up enough.
