Now if only we could remove all the ads they are pushing…
I don’t give a shit, I’ll use other programs to uninstall whatever I want.
Call me when I can use a vertical task bar. Until then, I’m sticking with win10.
The people app has been an abomination since the start and was barely updated since.
Alternatively, you can get a copy of Win 10 LTSC that doesn’t have any bloatware pre-installed.
more like they finally found a large source of revenue compared to their OS, so they can stop selling out… duh?
They’ve known since all their other shitty windows. It’s been ass since xp
xp was pretty solid. win7 was iffy for a year or so then it was solid. win8 was trash but 8.1 was really decent. win10 is their best OS yet imho, though it had similar issues to win7 - kinda shit at first. thinking I might skip win11 until it gets to be solid as well - probably 2025/26 at the earliest.
I liked Win 7 and am still liking Win 10. That Win XP nostalgia isn’t up to date anymore.
Best comment ever
I get permission denied notices with a fully permissioned admin account on win7. I never got that with xp. That’s unacceptable on a machine i own.
What are you doing to get those permission denies as admin?
Yeah win7 is good, but god damn, I have windows 11 on my work laptop, FML. Are they just trying to turn it into the Mac os? Whyyyyyy, what have they done. I use to have to click multiple buttons just to do the normal right click properties. They fixed that, but I still can’t stand it. I remember back when they released one of them after 7, doing everything to disable all the crazy services. Havnt bothered messing with that again though.
Aye. I think I’m going to avoid Win 11 as long as possible. Let’s see what they make of it.
Do you know what nostalgia means?
Yes.
I assume you think it comes with a time limit? :/
That’s not how I meant it. User Stinkywinks said that all Windows since Windows XP are shitty, which I disagree with. XP is often treated as a superior and awesome OS, which may have been okay for its time, but can, imho, not compete with Win 7 or Win 10.
Missing the old times is one thing, but claiming the old times were better is another.
It’s like comparing cars of different eras. Yeah sure, the old Ford Maverick from the 70s was a cool car. But it was also a lot less efficient, a lot less comfortable and a lot less secure. It’s surely not better in these aspects than more modern cars.
So go ahead swaying in nostalgia, but stop glorifying Windows XP for being a better OS than modern successors.
speak for yourself. I love XP and I’m super into vaporwave which has a huge following for nostalgia of that era.
Have fun. As long as you don’t claim that XP is better than 7 or 10 you won’t hear me complaining.
I mean 10 is what I have now. It’s pretty mid. But I agree, 7 was pure garbage lol
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Wait: They are saying you can remove the Remote Desktop client? You mean the client you cannot use to connect to a Windows Home license because you cannot run remote desktop without a higher license?
Interesting flex there Microsoft.
Nobody wants a smartphone-like function on an OS for pc/laptop. Also giving users back the control over would be nice looking at you defender.
Let’s cut the crap: it’s not that they “realized” nobody wants it – it’s that they’ve come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.
That, and stop dumbing down the UI. Gradeschoolers in 1999 could operate windows, it doesn’t need to get dumber
LoL, tell that to every fucking child and teenager who have been using an iPhone, iPad and MacOS for all their lives. It’s unbelievable how stupid you can get when you’re locked into a walled garden and the OS you’re using is designed for three year olds. I have a buddy who’s mainly a Mac and iPhone guy, and I fuck you not, he doesn’t know how to use anything else. He’ll just stare at the screen and simply don’t understand what to do.
Agreed. I have been working so hard to get my young kids to understand file systems, directory structures, keyboard shortcuts, etc; all that stuff that just never gets learned anymore with all the iOS/Android interactions.
I’m building a new PC for myself in the next few weeks and if they want to continue playing Genshin/Starcraft2/BeamNG/Trackmania on my older PC as it becomes the “Family PC” they will need to sit with me and learn how to reassemble it, install Windows, attaching peripherals, and setup a few basic things.
That’s the price and that’s the reward.
Many of us grew up in a world where you had to figure this shit out or simply not have a working computer/piece of software.
1999 gradeschoolers not today’s Gradeschoolers with win98
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Boomers are still struggling even with the modern, simplified UI. They would likely continue to struggle if we had Idiocracy style UI on things (big, bright colored buttons with pictures of what they do).
Boomers struggle period, its hard being stupid
I’m amazed they can sort of navigate an iphone
I think they mostly just tap around until they get where they need to go, something in between a parrot and a monkey with a typewriter.
Er, it’s not the boomers who are struggling. They’re barely even in the workforce anymore.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/grow-google-2019/smartphone-generation-computer-help/3127/
Apparently a large portion of the population, regardless of generation, proudly announces their tech illiteracy. I’m IT, and these people don’t even remember their personal email passwords.
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Not so much anymore. Gradescoolers all grew up on iPads and are probably worse off than boomers.
While I’m not mad at all that they’ve killed Cortana as a service, I am a little ticked that they used the name for their C- Siri and are now calling their AI service Bing AI instead of using the Cortana name for that
Wait someone used cortana?
That was my thought too. I use none of those type of programs. I know how to work a computer or some other device. I don’t need to command it like a dog.
This is my favorite description of voice commands 😂
yeah but now I can’t stop thinking about how I’m not asking my devices to do things - instead I just force them to with my hands…
I will gladly install windows 12 beta immediately after it is released so I can help Microsoft perform bug testing for free.
You’re already doing it unless you’re running an LTSC release
Tldr: Remote desktop, Cortana, camera, people app are all getting uninstall buttons.
What about FUCKING TEAMS
PS> get-appxpackage *teams* | remove-appxpackageI love PowerShell
I understand that your comment makes sense in context, but wash your mouth out with soap for speaking such vile heresy
PowerShell is one of the best things MS has done. Turning a rich, OO environment into a CLI was smart.
Kind of horrifying to use when you’re used to a unixy shell though!
Perhaps, but the same goes the other way. I’ll stand by PowerShell even though windows is hit and miss at best.
If lemmy had gold I’d give you some
I’m glad there’s no gold. I’ll still tell you what I told people about buying gold. Go make a donation to a charity instead.
I like fsf.org, saf.org, or gunowners.org
You could always uninstall Teams and still can, regularly via the Settings app.
Fun fact, if you have Teams uninstalled, hitting Windows key + c will conveniently install it again. Yay!
It sure took them a while, but they seem to finally allow folks to personalize their experience. I’m not going to complain about it though – this is definitely a good change.
Not far enough. It’d be lovely if I could scale Windows down to almost 7 gigs or so (what windows 10 is, probably should be lower) But the thing is Windows in general is just a bloated piece of crap that continues to grow.
“uninstalled” … til the first automatic update 🙃
HI! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m Skype!
uninstall
Hi! I’m skype!
“Are you suuuuure you don’t want to use Edge? Are you suuuuure you don’t want it to be the default handler for .pdf and .svg files? Are you sure? Are you sure you’re sure? Just in case, we’ll pin it to your start menu again and put a shortcut to it on your desktop. Just until you’re sure.”
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=yNY6ZstdUdY
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Apple’s starting to get more and more into this. Safari pesters you and nobody wants NEWS/Stocks/AppleTv App, Weather, etc. But you can’t uninstall them :(
I was able to uninstall all of the apps you just mentioned on iPhone just to cure my curiosity.
Which Apple device is not letting you uninstall those apps?
MacOS not iPhone. Should have specified
No worries! I was just a little confused when I tried it on my iPhone and it worked.
That’s what sudo rm -rf is for 😇. I’m going to try this on my Mac to satisfy my curiosity! Will report back.
I can always count on at least one idiot to mention Apple in a Microsoft hate thread.
I think you should go back to Reddit if you want to engage with people like that just crazy right out of the gate
Ew, a gatekeeper.
Yes but you can bury a “CrApple” folder on the last page
I got so annoyed with the fucking shortcut reappearing that I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
Just out of sight and out of mind.
I put it in one corner of one monitor that I hardly look at so it never appears on my main desktop monitor.
lol I did the exact same thing. That and all the unnecessary crap my work installs that I will never use but can’t even uninstall the damn shortcuts they slap on my desktop are all jammed in the corner of a monitor off to the side.
And then they made it where you can’t just select a different browser, you have to go manually associate each type with the new browser.
I never got unwanted stuff back after update.
Do you have a pro or enterprise license?
Its seemed… better lately. But I used to get skype back every single update when 11 first came out.
They also fuck with privacy settings too on uodate…
Switched to Linux after that shit.
I don’t know about Windows 11, but my Windows 10 instance also reverts my “fast startup” setting on every major update. I know this, because my PC’s motherboard does not work with “fast” startup and instead takes about half an hour to get from POST to desktop when it’s enabled. Suffice to say that I know when Microsoft changes this setting behind my back. I have it disabled for a reason, fuckheads.
AMD?
I’ve got a Gigabyte Auros Elite X570 with the 5600. I have to disable fast boot from BIOS because it causes my computer to boot up much more slowly.
I think Fast Boot is more about screwing up anything third party.
If it’s on, it bollixes up the wireless card if you reboot into Linux. But even without dual-booting, it seems to leave USB devices active that I don’t want (specifically a USB->serial adaptor with a peripheral danging off of it)
Cortana is being killed and replaced with their ChatGPT Bing thing.
Does that mean the AI thing will be unable to be uninstalled?
Thanks!
Probably. It will be an “essential” part of the OS, like Edge.
easy enough to just block telemetry
Just like Cortana, however, there will be a way to disable it via Group Policy somehow. That’s because government institutions that use Windows will not be happy with there being a feature in the OS that is capable of listening to a microphone and transmitting what it hears to a third party. I know Cortana can take voice commands, and I’d doubt their AI thingy will be much different in the user facing implementation.
there will be a way to disable it
Which means it’ll probably be training on literally everything you do on the computer and reporting it all back to Microsoft
Yep. A lot of what you do is already being reported back to Microsoft though.
And most likely they’ll come 'round to your house and harvest your organs while you sleep, too.
Where are these “probable” scenarios coming from? This seems kind of overboard.
I mean Windows 11 right now harvests a lot of data about your PC, so I don’t think it’s a stretch exactly.
Sounds like a good reason to get rid of windows 😁
Yes, all these imagined outrages are definitely a good reason for that.
I mean, Windows itself has been a good reason to get rid of Windows for a long time.
It will be an “essential” part of the OS, like
EdgeInternet Explorer 4.
Why does Microsoft hate Halo so much
It’s a successful consumer product. Can’t have that under the Microsoft umbrella
Microsoft will punish Halo for each and every fan that failed to spend $2000 on mtx armor colors
Which is also when they regularly try and get you to mistakenly click a button to make Edge your default browser. Scummy dark patterns.
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Great!! I thought they’d never do it!
I think the list of “apps” (AKA junk) people would actually like to deinstall is quite a bit longer.
How about uninstalling edge? It is only needed to download Firefox, anyway.
Wait, so of the five apps they will “let” you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).
The remote desktop they are talking about is the client app used to connect to remote systems.
The remote desktop feature that’s limited to Pro is the ability for the system to receive remote connections.
What the hell is wrong with remote desktop and the camera app?
Nothing. But having the option to uninstall them like any other app is nice for whenever it might be relevant.
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Why remote desktop? I can understand the rest. But who uninstalls default apps and doesn’t use remote desktop?
Remote Desktop App vs Remote Desktop Connection.
The remote desktop app isn’t installed by default. At least I’ve never seen it installed by default.
Hmm, I can’t imagine they mean MSTSC. The RD App sucks ballz
Remote Desktop is dead. Azure killed it. TeamViewer is the replacement (and yes you have to pay for it) or you pick another third party vendor for your RDP needs.
The only exposure I have to windows now is in an Amazon virtual environment so I want aware of this. It seems strange seeing as RDP is a simple and robust solution… Unlike TeamViewer.
People still use team viewer?
Scammers notably of course, but it’s Microsoft’s sanctioned solution to them removing RDP capability with Azure. I’m super interested in finding out what cut they get or how much TeamViewer payed for that.
I do, though it’s rare lately. What do you use instead?
A VPN and RDP.
I agree with that “and”
Very few people use remote desktop.
Very few people bother removing all the default apps in the first place.
The type of high caliber nerd to care about a pre installed app that sits dormant and uses a few MB of storage probably already uses remote desktop often enough they’d want to keep it.
I would have used it but it’s only available on Pro/Enterprise versions. But that led me to finding Parsec so all ended well.
Maybe someday they’ll discover checkboxes and use them to not have to install these apps in the first place.
“What’s a checkbox? Oh, you mean that thing we use to trick users into ‘consenting’ to telemetry?”
I think I’ve got it! So on install, we make a checkbox that says:
- do not install web search in the start menu, but also I consent to Microsoft collecting creepy levels of data about me
Great. Now give them a couple more years to learn they shouldn’t be installed by default in the first place.
In other news the sky is blue and water is wet.
Truly, we are on the cusp of great discoveries.
What a time to be alive!
Water isn’t wet, it does make things wet though.
Merriam Webster defines wet as: consisting of, containing, covered with, or soaked with liquid (such as water)
Water consists of water, therefore by definition it is wet.
True. Every semester, I have some young genius who thinks they’ve gotten one over on the prof. Love this response. :)
Cool. Oil is wet
Yes, it is.
Dry cleaning fluid too!
If “wet” is defined as the state of a given area of matter in large part touching water, then water is wet, too, since it’s touching itself.
…I could have phrased that to sound less like masturbation.
Can water be dry?
Dehydrated water: just add water.
Sure: Dry Steam
