A Direct is announced for April 2nd to cover the games.
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Can’t help but be a little disappointed. The last few consoles have all been pretty drastically different, but this is just the Switch released again. Only with different connections so you need all new accessories.
I am hoping that the Joycon mouse mode turns out real and used in some interesting ways.
I totally missed that the first time I watched it. That’d be awesome.
At the same time, the Switch is such a solid console that a hardware upgrade with full backwards compatibility* is really the best case scenario. People have wanted a bigger screen, better chip, and better joysticks since launch, and now we’ll have them!
*the video says it’s not 100% compatible, but I’m assuming that’s for stuff like Labo and Ring Fit that need those exact joycon sizes/shapes.
Yeah, I guess I was just hoping for more of a new generation type reveal, rather than a sequel to the Switch. Better hardware is definitely a plus though, would be nice to replay TotK or Pokemon SV with better graphics & performance. I still wonder if those two games were meant to release alongside a Switch 2 prior to the chip shortage.
They’ll probably at least try to somehow make the mig switch non-functional on the switch 2, which could cause some other games to not work.
I’m hoping that with the Ring Fit, to get around that restriction we can just pair the Switch 1 joycons to the Switch 2 console and use them detached.
In theory that might still work.
You’d need all new accessories anyway with a complete redesign.
I’ve bought every Nintendo console up until the Wii U. Since they abandoned that early, I decided to skip the Switch. I’ll likely pick this up. If this doesn’t do well and gets abandoned early again, I’ll at least get to play all the games I’ve missed over the years due to backwards compatibility.
The Switch has so many good games! Sure, most are available on other platforms as well, but overall it’s such a great system.
Nintendo consoles tended to be radical, Nintendo handhelds were more iterative.
The Game Boy and DS lines all built gradually on each other, seems the Switch line is following suit. I assume Nintendo see the Switch as a handheld that can be docked, rather than a console that’s also portable, so I guess it makes sense that it’s following a similar trajectory of previous handheld lines.
I mean the DS was pretty radical at the time.
I feel like Nintendo does a huge innovation, then an iteration or two(or a bunch of little changes), then back to a big change. Wii/WiiU, GB/GBA, DS/3DS, switch/2
Nintendo collapsed its console and handheld product lines for the Switch. We’re also seeing large parts of the gaming industry adopt the Switch form factor for their products. I don’t think there is anything that Nintendo could innovate on that would sell.
Yeah with Nintendo watching two Xboxes languish and consumer discontent with the recent playstations as well, there’s not a real impetus for something radical in design. Some innovation would be exciting but the Switch and PC Handhelds prove people want big grippy mobile devices, even if they’re only moving between rooms.
I mean that’s not what I want, but money talks and I fit into exactly what you said. I did not buy an Xbox, I did but a PS5, but hardly bought (I don’t think I’ve even beaten) any games. The next switch is probably the next console I’m excited about. But it’s not because of the portability, it’s because they still make couch co-op games.
In short I want to say I don’t care for handhelds but I’ll probably try harder to get a switch close to release than I will a PS6 even though I don’t know how much of a point in either right now. I just have console fatigue, but keep paying into the problem.
Being able to bring your console to someone else to play couch co-op with them makes developing that style much more appealing.
I get why - the Switch was the successor of both their console and handhelds, and it did very well. Why change it?
I think I read that old joycons will still work with it in wireless mode.
Every single console reveal, there’s a take exactly like this, and it always ages like milk. Every time.
I don’t follow - is it going to somehow transform into something that isn’t a switch?
Lol. I did put my money on “barely distinguishable from the Switch 1, maybe bigger”. I guess I win the betting pool.
I’m mainly happy because I didn’t want to be tempted to support Nintendo’s lawsuit happy asses, anyway.
If they ever release a Virtual Boy Mini, my conscience will never recover from my own hypocrisy, though.
Congratulations on your personal betting pool. Wishing you the best.
I will be buying one.
I plan on buying just the console (which they usually lose money on anyways), and then leaving it in the box not connected to the Internet until a mod chip comes out.
I don’t think Nintendo loses money on their consoles. With the original switch, and this switch 2, they specifically went with old and slow hardware to ensure the margins work out.
Ooh. I like that. Ethical, and fun!
I look forward to pirating all those games too.
Let’s go! I’m excited for hardware that will run Pokemon Violet/Scarlet at a non-dog shit framerate (other than pirating).
Are you prepared to have to buy the game again to do that? I don’t know it for sure, but it’s how I expect Nintendo to operate.
They are claiming backwards compatibility, and I assume that means for physical copies as well. If not, eh we’ll see!
There’s a disclaimer that says not every Switch 1 game will work, but I think it will play on the new Switch with the same lousy performance it has now unless you buy the Switch 2 version.
Another commenter elsewhere mentioned that things like Labo or Ring Fit won’t (likely) work because of the different sized controllers. I would be surprised if other games that don’t use special extra hardware work just fine.
Normally I’d disagree (because games written for a single console don’t do well with hardware upgrades), but since the old console already runs at different speeds when handheld and docked, I’d expect most games to be able to handle faster processors safely. We’ll have to see how that shakes out. If it really does run them better, and it has drift-proof sticks, I’m quite interested. Otherwise, I’ll wait a year or 2 until there’s a good, cheap library of games for it.
Ah so upgrade cost identical to what Sony did? I can see them doing that … The problem with that is that the games already have the ability on the cartridge. Remember the datamine of Paper Mario TTYD remake and the higher resolution data on the cart?
I would not put it past Nintendo to charge you $70 for Tears of the Kingdom again so that you can run it at reasonable resolutions and frame rates this time.
I don’t think they’ll go that far, but the “upgrade” will probably be $15 or $10 extra
That is how every previous Nintendo back-compat implementation has worked.
- GC on Wii
- Wii on Wii U
- Game Boy on Game Boy Color
- Game Boy/Color on Game Boy Advance
- Game Boy Advance on (New) Nintendo (3)DS
- Nintendo DS on Nintendo DSi
- Nintendo DS/i on Nintendo 3DS
- Nintendo 3DS on New Nintendo 3DS
In every case, the system drops back to the earlier console’s hardware specifications. There are hybrid cross-gen games on some of the handhelds which offer improvements on the newer hardware, but up to this point, older games have never been updated to get the improvements of newer hardware. That doesn’t necessarily mean the same will hold, but I’d suggest you assume it will and be pleasantly surprised if they buck the trend.
I’m those cases isn’t it because they had separate hardware built in for backwards compat? This is more of a PC style hardware upgrade rather than totally different hardware (compute wise) so it might be different for that reason?
Sort of, though Wii and Wii U are a bit more complicated than that so this somewhat of an oversimplification. The ELI5 answer is that some hardware components are directly upgraded and can run in a compatibility mode, other components are just the original hardware thrown in separately.
New3DS is the most recent and most notable exception. It’s directly upgraded 3DS hardware, but the CPU downclocks to run at 3DS specs on all legacy titles (and there are almost no native New3DS games so this upgrade was pretty pointless). Softmodding can unlock the full clockspeed, and most games do work fine this way but there are a few rare bugs.
I expect Switch 2 will just be the same architecture upgraded, because that’s a lot easier to do now, while the old style of true redundancy would inflate costs too much today. It’s also worth noting that Switch titles already expect variable performance in order to support handheld and docked modes, so I doubt much would break if allowed to overclock. But I could also see Nintendo not even trying to support it if even one bug might exist somewhere.
Just adding on to this, I do think the “up-specced OG hardware” approach something Nintendo has done before. Upgrades like GC to Wii and Game Boy to Game Boy Color are really just boosts to the clock speeds and RAM, they don’t have anything specifically included for BC reasons (unless you’re counting GameCube memory card slots). They really are just iterations on the same hardware. Similar to the New 3DS, on modded consoles you can run GameCube games at Wii clock speeds and they almost all work without issue.
On that subject, the fact that Nintendo says the compatibility won’t be 100% is potentially encouraging. If the Switch 2 was just going to downclock compatible parts to their Switch 1 performance and was otherwise identical, you’d expect all games to work. The reduction in compatibility could be because games are going to be running with Switch 2 clocks across the board, which most games should handle just fine and a small handful may not.
Sure, but the game sets the resolution, not the console. The game might get a performance boost or a more stable frame rate on better hardware, but unless it gets a patch to detect which system it’s running on and adjust the resolution accordingly, most games will still run in 720p.
Retro compatibilty probably powered by Yuzu ?
Powered by being the same as the Switch + whatever anti-Piracy they put it
Like how the PS5 can play pirated PS4 games but can’t play pirated PS5 games
The PS5 can play pirated PS4 games? That’s badass.
I hope this hardware will stand a chance playing no man’s sky. After the freighters were introduced the switch just couldn’t handle it
Can’t wait to play tears of the kingdom at 30 fps
Was kinda hoping for specs. I like the design upgrade, though.
Much like the rest of the announcement, the specs actually got leaked a few days earlier: https://thegamepost.com/nintendo-switch-2-full-specs-appears-to-have-leaked/
TL;DR: 12GB of RAM, GPU that’s roughly on par with the Steam Deck. It’s not the most powerful handheld out there but surprisingly not bad for Nintendo standards.
GPU that’s roughly on par with the Steam Deck.
…when comparing TFLOPs, and that’s not comparable across architectures (by different companies as well!).
If we take similar-performing (in rasterization) Ampere and RDNA 2 cards (say a 3080 and 6800 XT), we can see the 3080 has 29.77 TFLOPs and the 6800 XT has 20.74 TFLOPs, an RDNA 2 FLOP is worth about 1.4x as much as an Ampere FLOP.
So extrapolating the 1.6 “RDNA 2 TFLOPs” of the Deck we get 2.24 “Ampere TFLOPs” and that’d make the Deck quite a bit faster than the Switch 2 in portable mode, but slower than the Switch 2 in docked mode.
This is obviously all just wild and silly speculation, but I doubt the Switch 2 will match the Deck in portable mode. Samsung 8nm would just eat too much power for this to realistically happen in a handheld form factor.
I wonder if they’ve fallen into the same trap with not making the console powerful enough. The first switch was also not that powerful when it came out, and it’s really struggled in the end of its lifecycle. A lot of first party releases in the last couple years run like complete shit. They probably missed an opportunity here to stash an eGPU in the dock to provide a more modern experience while playing on the big screen.
That hardly seems necessary when the rumored specs have the the GPU nearly doubling in speed and memory bandwidth when it’s docked
Ah, missed that. Okay, if the GPU clock is stepped up that much on power then maybe it will be alright!
Especially considering it has access to DLSS, I‘m looking forward to see what Nintendo‘s first party studios can cook up with these specs. But I‘m waiting for the OLED model sometime in the future.
No wonder they successfully stopped ongoing development of switch emulation on steam deck.
Wow, Nintendo really stepped up the game here.
Interesting, since we now know the size I would not have expected it to be on-par roughly with the Deck while being so much thinner and a bit smaller. Hrm.
Will this still play switch 1 games? (Physical cartridges)
Yes
From TFA:
The Switch 2 will have backward compatibility with games from the original Switch (with some unspecified exceptions).
My question is the dock an eGPU?
Unlikely, Nintendo probably isn’t bothered to boost the graphics beyond the switch 2’s onboard GPU. Nintendo doesn’t really care about graphics so I’d be surprised if it had an eGPU.
Could make an interesting pricier addon for down the line. Like the release version is just a dock but later on they release an egpu dock that you have to buy separately.
The current Switch still selling as much as it does proves that performance doesn’t really matter.
That would complicate things in a pretty non console way, especially counter to Nintendo that hasn’t tried to match competitor console performance since the GameCube.
N64 expansion pak
It ought to have been, considering how much games struggle on the first switch lately. This will have the same problem otherwise, 2-3 years into its lifecycle it will be begging for death while the PS5/XSX are still chugging along.
Considering what the SteamDeck can provide already…Not really
If anything they put some better upscaling into it.
Almost certainly not
Thoroughly whelmed
It is a video game console that I have ever seen.
Hoping they add Hall effect sensors and eliminate drift once and for all
The joy cons were awful for that.
I updated my Joycons to the hall effect sticks and they’re awesome. No drift after several months.
It looks like the controllers attach to the screen magnetically, which may interfere with the sensors of Hall Effect sticks
Hall effect sensor expert here! No, the magnets in the joycons that are used to attach to the display/body of the Switch 2 would not interfere with hall effect analog sticks.
Two reasons:
- The magnets are too far away (sensors are usually only sensitive to magnets within 10-12mm directly above/below)
- The mounting/attachment magnets would be perpendicular to the magnets in the analog sticks (if you imagine the flux lines they wouldn’t cross the sensory boundary).
Regardless, it would be trivial to place a tiny little piece of ferromagnetic blocking tape wherever necessary to prevent interference.
Would the NFC system in the stick interfere with hall effect sensors?
Nope.
That Doesnt affect Hall & Oates sensors, though.
I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure theyd be able to calibrate the sensors to ignore the magnetic force of the attachment points
Maybe, I got the Pimax Portal a while back and due to their magnetic attachments Hall Effect sticks wouldn’t work. I’m sure Nintendo would have a better time solving this issue than Pimax would though
Rumors/Leaks had them and they were right about what we see in the trailer so hopefully. I’m hoping yes, nintendo must be tired of repairing joycons ^^
I really don’t like the logo. I know why the logo looks that way considering the Wii U branding debacle, but still.
I‘m assuming they debated about it until the very last second until they settled with the safest option. The leaks probably accelerated things a lot towards the end and it might’ve been called something different entirely if they had more time to agree on a name.
Its been what, 8 years since the original switch was released?
They had plenty of time to decide on a better name.
That‘s not how projects or marketing work most of the time, however. Nintendo is known to use project names throughout development. They have a schedule for each and every step and the recent leaks have turned things upside down for sure.
The reveal itself looks incredibly rushed. I suspect they hastily whipped up a quick animation in Blender by using some simple modifiers and clever editing. It has “Make a product animation in Blender” Youtube tutorial written all over it, if that makes sense. I kind of love it, but it’s not very Nintendo-like and neither is the name.
I bought a game on switch for like 40 bucks that ended up being really bad, and tried to get it refunded within about two hours of purchase, after about thirty minutes of play time. Couldn’t get the refund.
Ever since, I was VERY slow to buy anything, because, what if it’s unexpectedly bad? I have to know I mean it, otherwise I shouldn’t buy it. I want to buy a game, not flush money down the toilet.
So, now I kind of just don’t want a Switch 2.
I accidentally bought a game that didn’t have English in the region I bought it in and they wouldn’t refund me.
My girlfriend accidentally bought Minecraft because she wanted to check out whether she could pay via PayPal. There are no further confirmations. Also no refund possible even though she hasn’t even installed it once. If I could be bothered, I’d sue, but in Germany that wouldn’t financially make sense, even though it would not be a hard case at all
Where is refund of digital goods, which must be activated or linked outside of Steam possible? With valve it is purely a gesture of goodwill. If you buy a game in a store and remove the foil, you won’t get it exchanged either. In Germany, every court would laugh at you and ask you to pay for wasting their time. Maybe you should look for the mistakes yourself? After all, you are the stupid uninformed person who blindly throws your money away. Blaming the embarrassment on the store providers is a real indictment. I’m sorry, you have completely different problems if you can’t get your act together.
Dude, wtf? You don’t have to be such a dick, eh?
Ad hominem much? The point is an issue with the declaration of will to pursue a contract. You can challenge that after the fact.
We are talking about digital goods that are generally excluded from exchange. Even my little niece knows that. So lazy, stupid customer: find out on YouTube? Better not. Find out on gaming/review websites? Better not. Just google it or read at least 1 sentence about it before buying? No, better not. Buying blindly and then lining up like a toddler because you weren’t able to think about it thoroughly beforehand instead of buying blindly.
Use your brain first. Think about the money first. Be smarter beforehand. Get active before… Publishers always tell better stories… Which retailer doesn’t do that…_
Still, dude touch grass. What the hell riled you up that much that you keep insulting me entirely unprovoked? Also my man, are you studying or have you studied German law, that you make yourself appear to know the German civil code?
Wie gesagt geh in ein Geschäft Kauf ein Spiel öffne die Folie und Versuch dann umzutauschen. Da die Produkte mit Key kommen, sich mit dem Acc verknüpfen etc. war es damals schon so das man vorher überlegen muss da keine Rückerstattung. So als es dann zu digitalen Medien ging wurde auch immer weiter DRM ausgebaut. Man wird in Deutschland nicht ohne Grund als raubmordkopierer direkt auf gleiche Stufe wie Mörder oder Räuber gestellt. ( Iso oder Backup von Daten ist zB schnell gemacht. Wie soll man sicherstellen das nicht heimlich eine Kopie angefertigt wurde und mit einen Crack lauffähig gemacht wird… ) Warum ich direkt so negativ reagiere? ( negative Erfahrungen prägt sich der Mensch am schnellsten ein. ) Tja weil das auf bestimmt über +50% der Leute bei steam zutrifft. Die blind kaufen… Bei denen der kick durch den klick kommt… Bei Leuten die bei einen Zahlungsanbieter testen ob man die Dienstleistung nutzen kann und sich dann wundert … Viele viele Probleme wären fast nicht erst wenn Leute sich nur mal 5min Zeit nehmen statt nur zu konsumieren.
Ok dann mal in kurz: der wenn man etwas kauft, dann müssen zwei übereinstimmende Willenserklärungen in Form von Angebot und Annahme vorliegen, die die wesentlichen Vertragsbestandteile (Kaufsache, Preis und Vertragspartner) enthalten, die sog. essentialia negotii. Das Angebot ist hier nicht der Kaufbutton, dies ist eine Aufforderung zur Abgabe eines Angebots, sog. invitatio ad offerendum, sondern das Klicken selbst. Der Platform Betreiber nimmt konkludent durch Bereitstellung oder Auftragsbestätigung an.
Vorliegend handelt es sich zwar um einen Kaufvertrag i.S.d § 433 I BGB, aber wegen dem Vorrang des leges specialis, geht § 475a der Verbrauchsgüterkaufvertrag über digitale Produkte vor. Der setzt zum einen voraus, dass eine Partei Verbraucher und die andere Unternehmer ist. Außerdem, dass es sich um ein digitales Produkt handelt. Beides sollte offenkundig sein.
Allerdings könnte die Willenserklärung des Angebots, des Klickens, Mangelbehaftet sein. Sie könnte gemäß § 119 I Alt.2 BGB anfechtbar sein, wenn der Verbraucher keine Willenserklärung abgeben wollte. Dies ist hier der Fall. Wenn die Anfechtung erklärt wird und begründet ist, dann gilt das gesamte Rechtsgeschäft als von Anfang an als nichtig anzusehen, vgl. § 142 I BGB.
Formerfordernisse sind normalerweise Schriftform oder elektronische Form (Email), die muss aber mit einer elektronischen Signatur versehen sein.
Mein Punkt ist hier, Valve bietet über die Seite ein Formular für die Erklärung der Anfechtung (meist eher Widerruf) an, was vom Gesetz ausdrücklich erlaubt wird. Nintendo weigert sich regelmäßig auch bei korrekter Form die Annahme der Wirkung der Anfechtung. Hier wäre nur Abhilfe über Klageerhebung zu erreichen.
Selbstverständlich ist das dämlich einfach mal auf kaufen zu drücken. Ich kann aber durchaus verstehen, dass man annimmt einem würden noch Bezahloptionen angeboten werden. Zumal die Gerichtshöfe ja schon häufiger klarstellten, dass unmissverständlich sein muss, dass man mit dem Klicken einen Kaufvertrag abschließt. Außerdem halte ich es für echt fragwürdig, dass man kaufen kann ohne seine Identität in irgendeinerweise zu verifizieren. So könnten Minderjährige bspw. ohne Hürde kaufen - spätestens das würde von vorneherein keinen wirksamen Kaufvertrag darstellen, sofern nicht das Taschengeld bemüht wurde. (Wobei hier durch die Tatsache der bargeldlosen Zahlung noch ganz andere Probleme im Rahmen der Anweisung der Bank zur Gutschrift an Nintendo auftreten würden).
So und nun kannst du ja auch einfach mal ordentlich schreiben, anstatt dich wie ein Arschloch zu benehmen
aaaand another asshole blocked. if you want your comments to be read by people don’t be a dickhead
Is that why it’s so important for you to tell me? Block != start conservation.
Steam deck?
Been tempted to get a steam deck at some point, just not sure how much I would use it and if it would justify the cost, having all my games already makes it infinitely more appealing than the switch though.
I don’t get how a Steam Deck is a replacement for a Switch tbh.
You buy the Switch to play Nintendo games mostly, though it’s nice that you can take it with you.
You buy the Steam Deck because you can take it with you and it has a huge library - but it has no Nintendo games, so it fails to scratch that one particular itch.
but it has no Nintendo games
Natively? No, but it is pretty easy to emulate on the Deck. I have successfully run everything from Gameboy to Nintendo DS and Switch games on the Steam Deck.
Hmm, how’s Switch piracy these days? If I’m emulating, I’m probably not going to be paying for games either since I can’t have physical copies
I play my physical switch games using my cartridge dumper
Buy it on the first day, never connect it to the internet and wait for the first jailbreak. Then you never have to pay for any game.
SteamOS plus the next gen of MSI Claw or ASUS ROG ally is going to be the absolutely superior gaming and customer experience in the coming years. There’s no good reason to buy a Switch unless you need Nintendo exclusives (or have kids, and then it just makes sense).
I’ll wait for the OLED model, because apparently this isn’t it.
This doesn’t have OLED? Yikes.
:O
