Summary
Canada is preparing to retaliate against Donald Trump’s proposed 25% tariffs on Canadian imports, which could trigger the largest trade war between the nations in decades.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised counter-tariffs worth $37 billion, with potential for further measures, depending on Trump’s final order.
Canadian officials warn the tariffs could harm both economies, disrupting key sectors like automotive, energy, and agriculture.
Labor leaders expressed concerns over job losses and urged collaboration. Canada hopes to avoid tariffs by highlighting their mutual economic impact to U.S. lawmakers.
Eggs are going to be so cheap bro.
Just one more oil boom, bro. We promise not to piss this one away. C’mon, don’t hit us with oil tariffs on our marginal product we can’t get to market. Don’t be a dick bro.
some car parts cross the border as parts en route to assembly plants, and then back again in fully-assembled vehicles.
Some cars cross the border 5 to 6 times while being assembled. Car prices are going to sky rocket.
Trump doesn’t understand that tarrifs go both ways.
It’s kind of amazing that his first priorty upon entering office is getting revenge and starting wars. What an incredible person and even more than that, an incredible leader. Amazing.
He doesn’t care if Americans get hurt or suffer his batshit policies. His moronic base will support him even if they’re suffering; they’ll blame it on the brown people.
“Trump is more respected by other nations than Biden” part deux dipshit boogaloo
Repeated prisoners’ dilemma. They have to threaten and they have to add tariffs if the US does, anything else would be bad strategy
It’s not helped by the fact that Trump is corrupt and might have different winning conditions like “make Putin happy”, but that doesn’t change what Canada has to do.
Good, Do it. Every country should do it. Make it fucking hurt.
I can’t wait to not be able to afford diapers since racist rednecks elected a clown. It’s like being held hostage on a train that’s headed for a brick wall. Trying to raise a family through this is so hard.
We have no choice-- we must give California to Canada to assuage their anger. A tariff war would be bad for business. Its a shame its come to this, but jobs might be at stake here.
While I love the idea, they’d never go for it. It would double their population instantly and completely upend their political system.
Well okay fine, just SoCal then!
…damn, your point still stands. ._.
Do it. Isolate this evil shithole until it collapses. Please do it.
The US needs to be broken up the way the USSR was.
Didn’t that also give us Putin?
I’d like them to focus on taking all the Americans who can contribute to the economy. I volunteer for tribute.
The problem is Canada doesn’t want a bunch of Americans.
We don’t want their guns, the litigiousness, the exceptionalism and the arrogance, but other than that, we actually love Americans.
Tell me about it. Buddy of mine married an American, a texan, she’s fairly liberal as far as they go…
She just had a baby and was granted 18 months maternity leave, didn’t pay a dime, had an in home nurse due to complications. All for free.
We just talked about how she would prefer to have to pay her employer for health insurance rather than “Lose so much to these crazy taxes.”
If a liberal minded, young person thinks like this, how many of them think like this? Stay to the south. Please.
The weirdest thing is that their thinking is so short-term. Like it didn’t occur to her that those “crazy taxes” would also cover someone else’s maternity process?
Texans seem to think they’re top of the world and unstoppable “without those pesky taxes” until some family-illness or accident shows up and threatens to bankrupt them overnight.
It’s all very short sighted and to be honest I can’t blame them for their brainwashing most of the time.
They hear if places with 30, 40, 50% tax rates and are appalled but they don’t realize that the combined income of a nation can more than subsidise education, healthcare and so much more while still affording an amazing quality of life.
They call Europeans poor because they don’t own 50 acres and a McMansion with 3 mud crawlers in the garage.
My buddy’s wife just doesn’t understand how far out tax money goes and thinks our government is just as corrupt as hers.
Like it didn’t occur to her that those “crazy taxes” would also cover someone else’s maternity process
It occurs to them fine. They don’t care. American attitude is “fuck you, I’ve got mine.”
Nothing is for free, taxation pays for the medical care.
Significantly less so when you don’t have to worry about copays, premiums and other services.
Civilised countries ask everyone to chip in and take care of one another. Your kid’s booboo tomorrow and your neighbours cancer the next. All taken care of because we can. No medical poverty.
Kind of. Some of my best friends and all that… lots of fabulous expats in my little exurban community. Usually great people with american cultural baggage that encourages a kind of heroic individualism that is no big deal until you’re organizing in a group or the like. Not smug, more… socially entitled? It grates on local sensibilities sometimes, and it’s hard to explain unless you apply an analysis of colonialism. We recognize the colonizers more than the other way around.
Are any of these lovable Americans in the room with us now?
I dunno I’d like to think we’d get along. :) (wave)
I’ve some of them in my family and my friend circles, so, yes sure.
But but, I have good job, no guns, no criminal record, aaaaaannnnndddddd I like hockey. So, maybe? Like a trial basis? 😅
Hmmm…are you from Michigan? Minnesota?
I will be from wherever you want me to be.
(whispers) “Go Knights, go!”
I’m currently up in Canada for an extended stay, it’s honestly so much nicer than back home. I’m gonna be sad to leave. I too gladly volunteer as tribute.
Edit: also everyone here has been so incredibly welcoming
You should probably wait until after Monday to come home. Maybe something catastrophic will happen and you’ll get stuck there. Oh noooo
You should stay in Canada, at minimum, until Jan 2029.
I wish I could. The culture and city feel uncannily familiar, it’s a lot cleaner, and I made so many friends in my first few days here
Nice! I spent like one day in Vancouver and it blew my mind how CLEAN that big city was.
And also it was the first foreign country I had ever visited. I expected it to feel a lot…stranger? But nah. It felt like home. Just with occasional maple leaf flags instead of 1000 Stars and Stripes flying off every building lol.
People were super nice, too.
I got the vibe I could never afford to live there in a million years. Lol
Nice, what part of Canada?
Ontario :)
OooOoooO fancy
So they’ll make Canadians pay import taxes on American goods. Do American exports to Canada compete with anyone on price? Surely it’s mainly availability of goods?
a lot of it is about choice. whether its by foreign culture brainwashing/advertisement spam, or canadian products just being less popular. people tend to buy american products because the retailers are locked into supplying them. if that were to change the average consumer might have to change brands for food, pay more for luxuries, and say goodbye to some specific things for a while until replacements are found, but when national security is on the line, canadians need to learn how to go cold turkey and abandon this dependence on an obviously untrustworthy, unreliable, and hostile United States.
an obviously untrustworthy, unreliable, and hostile United States.
Our countries were like best friends for so long. This makes me sad and angry. I feel like I’m gonna be this way for a while.
Our countries were like best friends for so long
If you guys could have not voted in a hostile garbage idiot whose idea of strength is going all bull in a China shop that friendship could have remained warn and fuzzy.
But now that you’ve gone and re-elected the guy who treated us like we’re a hostile enemy (and said as much 5-6 years ago), we don’t have much choice other than to take a few steps back and see other people.
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I hope you guys can fix your issues, so we can feel like we can trust you again, but until then we have to do what’s right for ourselves.
I hope you guys can fix your issues, so we can feel like we can trust you again, but until then we have to do what’s right for ourselves.
In before the whining about National security starts again.
I dont get it. They say they dont want to pay others bills anymore, but when they start making moves to detatch themselves from the US (the only way to provide for themselves without leeching off the US is to detatch…). they cry about their national security, which is just another word for their hegemony.
America doesn’t want allies, America wants an empire of subservient vassal states who do nothing but buy their goods and services, and provide them raw materials and clients. this is not the behaivor of an ally, this is the behaivor of a hostile force. its just a shame that we’re dealing with multiple of those in the world at the same time. (Russia, China)
Yeah, I get it. I don’t know how to fix it because apparently we want this.
You don’t want this. I don’t want this. Not even half of the voting public want this. And yet it’s happening. We don’t know how to fix it because it’s broken by design. The purpose of a system is what it does.
Canadian friends, best of luck moving forward. I hope you can do a better job than we did of staving off the torrent of bullshit.
I just wish yall decided to have your meltdown -before- Russia turned fascist, got bold, and decided to start shooting wars.
Europe is asleep at the wheel, disarmed themselves a decade ago and are now playing catchup and sitting on their hands with a wait and see attitude. Its a very “Adults have left the room” feeling. New adults are going to have to step up.
At least the Russians are greedy fucking idiots or we’d all be in big trouble
Its a very “Adults have left the room” feeling.
And for a shocking number of EU nations: “Oh hey, your weird street-corner-arms-dealer cousin who hangs out on 4chan a lot says he wants to be ‘man of the house’ now, whaddya think?”
Hey, don’t lunp all of us in with those dipshits. I’m not my country’s government, I’m a fucking hostage.
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About 277 Billion worth of goods annually.
You can look it up if you just type the question into a search engine, instead of making up facts.
With about a $70bn trade deficit in Canada’s favour mostly due to oil and energy exports. Which are very likely to get very expensive should we enter a trading war.
Most likely serving to make that deficit worse for America.
Add a 5% levy on that and it’s nearly 12 billion in tax revenue extracted from Canadian business and consumers under the guise of sticking it to Trump.
Didn’t mean to represent my statements as factual, just personal observation.
I’d still argue that it’s not impossible for us to navigate around that. But I don’t have any statistical basis for thinking that. If our dependence is that large then maybe America will annex us. Lord knows I wouldn’t survive such a thing. So maybe I’m delusionally trying to be hopeful about having a future at all.
The US cannot “annex” or “invade” Canada.
Both are key members of NATO. That means that all other members must defend any fellow country if it’s invaded. Almost the entire western world - INCLUDING AMERICA - would have to defend Canada.
It’s just Trump spreading lies and misinformation to distract from him stealing American’s money. Same as always.
The NATO Alliance consists of 30 member states from North America and Europe. Article Five of the treaty states that if an armed attack occurs against one of the member states, it should be considered an attack against all members, and other members shall assist the attacked member, with armed forces if necessary.
I’d love to tell you that that’s comforting. But you’re saying this under the assumption that the American military wouldn’t be able to handle that. How many of those other nations even have standing militaries? Laws and treaties are just words. He will have nearly absolute power starting tomorrow. He can basically decide for himself what the rules are.
How many of those nations even have standing militaries?
Last I checked, all of them except Iceland. However, your point stands - the U.S. accounts for well over half of total NATO defence expenditure.
Make smuggling contraband across the great lakes great again.
god imagine how much worse the gang violence will get when the canuck mafia starts mowing down border patrol agents.
Canadian Mafioso: “sorry” machine gun noises, screams
Watching the US dollar
Grabs popcorn
Watching the already shit Canadian dollar…
looks up best noose rope
rope prices too high
Just in case…
Nah it’s joke.
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*was a world currency
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Well yea, the clowns aren’t in charge yet. It won’t survive defaulting on our debt and systematically alienating all our allies.
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That still doesn’t mean that what Trump is doing isn’t a dumb mistake
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Gold, local currency, you dont need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.
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Comical.
groceries
Maybe for Americans where groceries are highly highly processed let alone majority imported.
Grabs locally grown whole foods including popcorn and gets healthier
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Better start prepping then so you don’t starve
You’ll think back at this moment when you’ve got a full stomach.
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…it’s an economic depression! hope you’re ready for your grocery bill to quadruple.
complete economic meltdown.
Aw man I seem to vaguely remember a short time when this wasn’t happening ever since I’ve been of working age, but it already feels so distant now…
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I think you’re taking it too lightly.
Sorry, there was no way I could find to phrase that without it reading sarcastically but sincerely, I wasn’t trying to downplay your insights!
I was being mildly sarcastic, but also totally serious, in that the birthright of Millenials and onward has been on the “and find out” end of eroding social safety nets and a generally declining civilization.
The idea of living in peace without constantly playing the “weather the next socioeconomic crisis” roguelike dice game is basically a foreign concept at this point. (To anybody who must work for a living.)
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“Oh wow, what a major recession! The worldwide economy sucks! There’s no jobs! Groceries are expensive! Bosses are kings! Wages are frozen!” (Which year, amirite?)
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“Wow these natural disasters are crazy! Look, the water catches fire! Woah, everyone’s full of plastic!”
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Hey that thing there was a steady supply of? Everybody’s freaking out and ready to fight over it.(Jobs, toilet paper, gasoline, twinkies, silicon, whatever.)
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“Hey everything was alright for a while! Workers are winning raises and sick days! But corpos complain and fire everybody to make line go up. Unemployment at record highs again. Here’s 42 ways to suck up to your boss and beg to keep your income.”
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“Haha wow we were SURE that plague was extinct.”
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"Rents skyrocketing. Nobody’s having children. People who want them are increasingly infertile. People who don’t, make it an entire political identity.
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(Insert the entirety of 2020-onward here)
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Everything is hyper competitive and a requires luck. The lucky want to tell you it’s all about Just Working Harder and “everything is actually better than it’s ever been!”
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Hey remember when the whole world went to war against fascists? Ha they’re seen as legitimate again because they’ve got memes now.
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I agree with you, it’s like watching the fall of the Soviet Union, except instead of The Party chanting “everything is fine keep working”, it’s mainly private interests. And nobody’s learned anything.
I’m trying to keep my head up lol…
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LOL, gold… What year is it? If someone tried to give me gold for food in a global meltdown situation, I would tell them to fuck off.
Cool story, we are talking international currencies, Read the thread before looking like a fool
The Orange Numbnuts will turn the USD into the worthless Ruble.
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My bad, I did not read your “edit” and I changed my response. All is good, carry on.
Have you traveled much?
I hope I live long enough to see the petrodollar die.
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Not homophobia. Just a observation that people who are extremely vocal and violent against the gay are usually in the closet. See j edgar hoover.
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I’m not but you are. I’m tired of having to worry about the feelings of everyone around me when Its clear the right and left are both hell bent on getting offended about something. Don’t tell me what I meant because it triggers you. Goodbye.
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And like every hardcore anti gay religious leader too
It seems to be a halmark of denial and deception.
What else would you call a relationship where 2 men love each other so much they share a bed?
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I’ve said this before, the EU should just invite Canada into the Union.
Nice idea, but it’s not a good thing to distance yourself from your closest trading partner…just ask the U.K.
I’m.not saying Canada has to take the offer, just that it’s something that should be on the table for trump to chew on.
I see your stance now. Down with that mate.
I dream of this outcome. We’re more politically compatible with Western Europe than we are to the US.
Obligatory “Well, except Alberta” which you can literally derail any good idea with.
The Canadians can take the Blue States with them to the EU.
I’m not too sure they’d be such a great fit for the EU, culturally and socially. That sounds like we’d be taking in a Trojan horse.
Canada would have to switch to European standards instead of US ones. Their companies wouldn’t be happy.
How do Canadian companies like tariffs? Just saying, it’s not impossible…
As an American surrounded by trump voting douchebags, I hope the economy crashes and people get a taste of what voting like a retard feels like.
I get the feeling many of these people are also preppers and actively yearn for a crash to justify spending their lives readying for it.
Also they’d get to live their dream: Actively competing to outlive their neighbors in a struggle for resources or something.
when you have a certain world vue your frame of reference is this one. And you will prefer to hide reality for a very long time before admitting you made a poor decision. Worse admitting your point of view is not moral, or problematic.
All of this to say, people will not make a direct correlation between facts and their acts. They will find another plausible (for them) explanation.
The economy will be fine and probably flourish. Let us know when you wanna apologize :)
Apologize for what?
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What’s america? Ill just know rusmerica. There is no America.
