Hatred often makes you want to hurt people, but people hurt peope in the name of greed more often, and not only with less potential for guilt, but is often the cause of delusional accolades and reassurance both from within oneself and from others.
Hypothetical:
A CEO lays off 10,000 employees that helped that company succeed, solely to increase earnings and not because the company is hurting, not only seriously hurting 9,997 people, but causing 3 to commit suicide.
A bumpkin gets in a fight with someone he hates the melanin of because he’s a moron and kills them.
Who did more damage to humanity that day? They’re both, I want to say evil but evil is subjective, they’re both highly antisocial, knowingly harmful behaviors, yet one correctly sends you to prison for a long time if not forever, while the other, far more premeditated and quite literally calculated act, is literally rewarded and partied about. Jim Kramer gives you a shout out on tv, good fucking times amirite!
Edit: and this felt relevant to post after someone tried to lecture me about equating layoffs to murder.
“Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don’t care if they kill people — as long as it’s profitable.”
https://jacobin.com/2020/01/corporations-profit-values-murder-culture-boeing
they’re bothsupposedly “deadly sins”; i’m just not sure if it isn’t people other than the sinners who get the death part of the deal.
“deadly” in this case, means these sins put you at risk o losing eternal life.
I’d argue greed is a hate crime. A crime against humanity too.
When I hoard it’s a mental illness.
When billionaire hoards he’s just successful.
Bullshit
Hoards newspapers
People harmed: themselves
Society’s Verdict: Mentally ill
Hoards capital
People harmed: innumerable exploited employees deprived of receiving most of the value they produce.
Society’s Verdict: virtuous job creator, titan of industry, esteemed member of the business community, role model
Capital cannot be hoarded, or it loses value. The entire existence of capital is tied to its use.
Jeff Bezos does not have a vault full of money
What he actually has are stocks in his company and other companies that are worth billions, that’s all. And rich people like him simply take out loans against their stocks and live off of the loan money. Part of the reason why they do everything to raise stock prices regardless of cost: they need more collateral to roll the loans over year after year.
Rich people are not actually rich. They don’t actually have cash on hand like that.
Actually most businesses aren’t really profitable like that either.
The U.S. isn’t even as wealthy as it claims to be, not by a long shot.
I mean that’s still actual wealth, but yes billionaires tend to be significantly more cash-poor than is believed.
He’s worth a lot of money. He does not have a lot of money. Important difference.
everything you’ve said is incorrect.
Lmao it really isn’t. You have been lied to.
If Bezos had a vault full of cash, he would be poor. His wealth is tied to his assets, and his biggest asset is the best logistics company in human history.
Hate Bezos all ya want, but his wealth is not in cash or gold or any other hoardable thing.
The guy’s got multiple mega yachts and private planes. Just because it’s not all in a literal huge Scrooge McDuck vault you think this isn’t hording? Even buying a few mansions is a form of hording wealth.
Don’t bother replying btw because I’m not really interested in an extended exchange with someone who is this big of shill or an intentionally ignorant person until they take steps to educate themselves.
Mega yachts and private planes provide many jobs, so how exactly is that hoarding? Rich people spending money is the literal exact opposite of “hoarding wealth.”
Oh my… The “trickle down” argument!!! This guy has not figured out he is being pissed on…
Finally someone who gets it. That’s why I don’t the idea of wealth tax. It’s steals the asset that is making the economy work.
His wealth is tired to Amazon stock. Same with Elon
Oh wow. Indoctrinated much? That’s literally all wrong. In fact the dictionary defines Capital as…
wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing.
Bezos is found is literally in a lot of those horrible things. Granted there is a lot of perceived value in his company. But even if that went belly up today he would still be a wealthy man.
contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing
You really shouldn’t have skimmed that line.
Also nothing you described is “horrible.”
available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing
You missed the two words prior m8.
I didn’t skim it. I read it with full reading comprehension of someone not indoctrinated is all. You can have political capital. Assets of any kind can also be capital. Even if you don’t give them away or use them up.
And I’m here to tell you. If you don’t think all the theft that bazos has perpetuated. Leaving people homeless and starving. Millions of others without housing or food security. All so he can ride penis shaped Rockets. Etc isn’t horrible. That’s your problem.
He doesn’t have money, he has stuff
Yeah, that’s the problem
So then you don’t actually care about how the economy works, and are just mad you don’t have as much stuff
I appreciate you admitting it to yourself.
“That’s how capitalism works.”
“You’re right. But that’s a dumb way to do things, we should try something else.”
“No dude you just don’t understand how capitalism works.”
I don’t want more. I’m doing fine. I want the family where two people are working four jobs and still don’t have a month’s rent in the bank to have more. I want the money I kick into the community kitty to go to them, rather than funding multiple private space programs for multiple billionaires.
Idk if you’re the dude i was responding to but that is the opposite of what that person claimed to care about.
Anyway, all of those things can be done without socialism, and I actually know for a fact that the best method is to not kneecap your economic system and just change your social safety nets. Taxing people and using it for social services is not socialism.
Privatization of space is absolutely a good thing tho and we should subsidize the fuck out of it while still remaining revenue-positive over running the programs ourselves.
NASA has done more amazing shit since that privatization than in like 3 decades before it, and their goals are only increasing. It’s really worked out. I was extremely unhappy when the policy was enacted but I’m happy to admit I was wrong and Obama was right.
Who said anything about socialism?
1st one is Detrimental to your physical and mental health 2nd one is Detrimental to the environment and maybe their mental health (by having no relatable friends)
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Many people are opposed to the current world order for specifically that reason
Be ready. The people will have to make move like Vietcong.
Greed has been made the only power/drive of society. That’s why. Capitalism is as bad as sith, it’s just a different driver.
Greed has often been described as equally evil to hate. As Robert Frost put it:
Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
You’re basically arguing that corporations should have some sort of social persona/existance. That means they will have some sort of a degree of responsibility towards people that are involved with the company additional than making profit and the minimum that is required by the law.
Good luck with that point, especially in US …
In your hypothetical, things would have been different if the employees received equity compensation with voting shares (in exchange for reduced cash compensation). It’s weird how complains about greed only cut one way.
Well, agreed, but you can’t reform greed out of capitalism.
I think this will be a pretty popular opinion here, but in society at large it’s definitely unpopular.
Is there a lemmy equivalent to /r/im14andthisisdeep?
“Hurr durr people don’t like greedy corporate goons ruining things for everyone for generations. Stupid teenager thinking they’re being d3ep.”
Is that how you mean to come across? Because that’s how you come across.
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How do you figure?
The intent behind OP’s statement is pure, and is shared almost universally.
But the specific proposal misunderstands so much about why laws are made and how they’re enforced, how power is abused, why hate isn’t illegal, how businesses work, how harm is measured, etc, that the most generous interpretation is that we’re communicating with an inexperienced mind. In this case, apparently hundreds of them.
On the other hand, no one is born with that experience, and it’s healthy for people (including myself) to keep that in mind.
If a company prioritizes profits over people, money over actual human lives… that is greed, and that shouldn’t be allowed.
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ruining things for everyone for generations
He said on the internet lmao
Is that supposed to be a retort?
I think it’s just called “Lemmy.”
I mean since we’re making up arbitrary numbers why doesn’t that bumpkin have a handy firearm? Should raise their number to more than 3.
As of roughly 24 hours past, I’d say an over 500 more likes to dislikes ratio doesn’t, to me at least, count as an unpopular opinion. Especially when it’s only around 35 dislikes.
You like it when you think it is unpopular
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But, no, you can’t just create a crime out of laying people off because it saves a company money.
Yes, you absolutely can. That’s how every act that’s currently illegal became so. We decided it was not beneficial to allow the behavior and put people in jail if they kept doing it.
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You are really bad at debate / logic / arguing / whatever else you call what you’re doing
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company can no longer lay people off
company goes out of business
instead of X-N people losing their jobs, everyone loses their jobs
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An action becomes a crime because a law is created for it. Killing wasnt a crime before being put into law. What OP is saying is that we create more laws around the root cause of greed. There are already labor laws in most countries about wrongful terminations so that is most definitely a thing. So it is not an outlandish proposal.
So yes, you can make anything a crime as long as the people in authority agree to it. e.g. Being gay is a crime in Malaysia.
Some historical perspective as it relates to greed:
During some of the United States’ most prosperous times, the marginal income tax rates were higher (topping out around 90%!) and executive compensation was no more than ~20x the average worker pay.
Now, marginal tax rates and capital gains rates are so low, the wealthy often pay the lowest effective rates (sometimes less than 10%). And executive pay is simply off the charts at 300x, 500x, even 700x median pay.
https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/
The problem is greed and its manifestation as tax and corporate policy. Basic tax reform and implementing new corporate regulations can and would fix many issues plaguing this country.
Those in poverty would be lifted out by higher wages and adequate social safety nets. The growth of a thriving middle class creates a premier labor force, allows people to innovate and start new businesses, and creates additional private support networks that reduces stress on government programs.
It even helps the elite by letting them live in a prosperous country where they don’t have to step over people dying in the streets to go to their entertainment spots. Theft and crimes of desperation decrease as stability increases. Labor is more educated and healthy. They don’t have to drive on roads with defunct bridges. On and on.
We are all in this together. It’s time to act like it. We’ve done it before and we can do it again.
